Not sure about the dynasty part, but...
https://saturdayblitz.com/why-kentucky-could-be-the-next-college-football-dynasty
https://saturdayblitz.com/why-kentucky-could-be-the-next-college-football-dynasty
Good article on Sumrall and UK...
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Sumrall is going to be the next Schnellenberger that got away. We are hitched to Stoops for another round and I truly see no way Sumrall is still waiting around without a (much better) dancing partner next time we are free.
Definitely agree about the part about Stoops needing to be fired and him needing to be the one taking over!
Agree 100%! Stoops, plz walk away….
Sumrall isn’t going to wait around for Stoops to get fired and wherever he goes, he’ll be locked up for a few years. By then, the ship will have sailed.
Wow that will suck to see one of our own in powder blue! Shame on you Mitch if he doesn’t end up here!
I've very little to zero confidence Stoops can fix it.
All the blame is on Barnhardt. Kinda like whoever was the AD when Bear Bryant was here and caused UK to suffer the consequences of him leaving except this time Barnhardt overplayed his hand in giving the huge buyout which will be equally devastating to Kentucky.
Bear was always going to go to Bama. No chance he stays at UK over Bama.
He tried to leave for Arkansas before TAMU. The President at the time threatened to sue his ass for breach of contract.
How times have changed.
Replace Sumrall in the sections about “bring home one of their own” and “staying in Lexington as long as allowed” with Joker and what do you get?
By no means saying he couldn’t do it but setting Sumrall up with extreme expectations won’t end well for the fans. Building a program is a marathon, not a sprint. Can’t predict what the man is capable of but stop with making him look like the next coming of Bear Bryant.
By no means saying he couldn’t do it but setting Sumrall up with extreme expectations won’t end well for the fans. Building a program is a marathon, not a sprint. Can’t predict what the man is capable of but stop with making him look like the next coming of Bear Bryant.
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Well given that Sumrall has been a HC at two schools and won at both and Joker was an OC with no HC experience at all, I don’t think it would really make sense to swap their names. Even as a thought experiment
You don't have to go out of conference, just,ask Ole Miss or Missouri. Even bottom Carolina.
Yes, if at a losing SEC program. If he's the OC at Alabama, that's a closer call.
Here's another way to look at it. Sumrall will be on "top candidates to replace" list for _____ just about ANY P4 exiting coach this year and next, with the only exceptions places like Ohio St. if they get rid of Day. He's already looked at as a UNC target. Joker was considered a viable option for ONE P5 program, ours. If a list is made of all top prospects for P4 positions, Sumrall will be No. 1 or No. 2 on every list.
Yes. HC experience is always going to be worth more, all things being equal. There are obviously exceptions and guys can make the jump from OC to HC and low level HCs can fail on the call up.
But in general, it’s a much safer bet to take a winning HC than an unproven coordinator
Indiana cannot be compared to UK.
First, the schedule is not even close to what Kentucky has played.
Secondly, Indiana has started off at the complete bottom, whereas, Kentucky has had at least marginal success.
Mark stoops had an easy schedule for years in the down sec east and should have done much more than he initially did. If the sec if so great, why is Texas dominating in year one, Missouri won sec east twice in their first few years, and Oklahoma crushing bama in year one. That old excuse is overrated. It's a great conference but not the end all be all
Your second point actually supports the poster to whom you responded. Whether they deserve it or not, Indiana is going to the playoffs. It's more impressive to accomplish that at Indiana than Kentucky. The 2023 Indiana team was horse manure. We were disappointing, but still with some credibility. This year, Indiana might beat us by 40 to 50 points.
Joker was a victim of a thing called the "Peter Principle" - that's the difference in hiring a successful HC of a smaller school versus and OC at a larger school. The OC might work out - but being the head man is an entirely different job and takes a lot of different skills than being a co-ordinator. Not saying co-ordinators don't work out - but many of them never move up or fail when they do move up. Just a different animal. In all seriousness - Joker seemed like a good OC - I can see why schools would consider him for that position -but he wasn't and isn't head coaching material. Stoops has really not proved he has to be a great head coach - he has proven he can be a head coach - when he was hungry and younger!
Go Big Blue!
I would add, yeah, Indiana played mostly a crap schedule. But I seriously doubt we would've done much against that schedule ourselves. We got absolutely smoked by Louisville. It's not like Louisville is that much better than most of the Indiana conference opponents. Neither are Vanderbilt and Auburn and Florida. Against that crap Indiana schedule, we might, might be 6 and 6.
