Gonzaga now a quad 1 game

[Cats192]

They beat Little Sisters of the Poor so badly they jumped 5 spots in the NET rankings.

They’re number 26, which means they’ll he a quad 1 opportunity. It’ll be a Quad 1 loss for them if we beat them, so they shouldn’t fall too bad. And they can go back to beating up on their conference to help their NET rankings.

 

[Padsfs07]

They have to beat St Mary's first.

 

[The_Answer1313]

But they could easily fall out again lol. Even before meeting us.

 

[Runnin'Ramel]

Just win the game. Big name, national appeal, Cal needs the W.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Yes we need that to be a Q1 win for us! Badly!

And we need Miss State and Florida to climb into the Top-30 as well, they are close!

Beat Tennessee this weekend, Gonzaga next weekend, and have Miss State and Florida climb into Top 30, and we suddenly have 6 Quad-1 wins with more on the way (hopefully)

 

[trueblujr2]

Yes we need that to be a Q1 win for us! Badly!

And we need Miss State and Florida to climb into the Top-30 as well, they are close!

Beat Tennessee this weekend, Gonzaga next weekend, and have Miss State and Florida climb into Top 30, and we suddenly have 6 Quad-1 wins with more on the way (hopefully)

It will be tough for Florida to climb if we beat them tonight.

 

[H00SIER-Cat]

My coworker, a Purdue grad, almost got into a fight with some of their fans at the Maui Classic. He said unbelievably entitlement mentality for a team that's been on the scene for so short of a time.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

It will be tough for Florida to climb if we beat them tonight.

It shouldn't set them back really, maybe a spot or 2.

But they have some big opportunities coming up.

@ Texas A&M, home vs. Auburn, @ Georgia, @ Bama, home vs. Bama, etc.

What's tough for them is that they don't get Tennessee at home- that would have been a big opportunity for them.

They have to beat Bama and Auburn at home, and Texas A&M and teams like that on the road and they should be able to climb Top-30 for sure- lots of opportunities but that is a lot if If's, And's or But's.

 

[Cats192]

But they could easily fall out again lol. Even before meeting us.

They could fall. But the 5 spot jump was in large part thanks to them beating down a WCC team. I assume they'll do a fair bit more of that. A quad 1 loss @ Rupp shouldn't hurt them too badly.

I think they may see a dip and then build back up.

 

[Cats192]

It will be tough for Florida to climb if we beat them tonight.

A quad 1 loss @ Rupp shouldn't knock them down too far. The NET actually seems to give a big boost just for playing Quad 1 games. Alabama is 3-4 in quad 1 games and #7 overall.

Then they can hopefully roll of 3 or 4 wins in a row.

 

[ncaaky]

The NET is just so ridiculous. We lost to USC on the road and dropped 6 spots and UT lost to them 7 days later at home and dropped 1 spot. Arizona lost to Oregon St who was 198 on same day we lost to USC and dropped 1 spot and then moved back up that spot the next game.

 

[502 Wildcat]

I normally root against Gonzaga in every conference game they play, but it would be a nice boost for us if they beat Saint Mary's.

SMU and San Francisco are the only other teams in that pitiful league with a pulse. We need Gonzaga to take care of business in those games.

My concern is, Gonzaga is on the wrong side of the bubble as of today, but they're close. Their At-Large NCAA Tournament hopes will likely come down to them winning at Rupp. They are going to give us their A+ game.

We are a bad matchup for the Zags, however. They only have one legit shooter (Watson), and they have absolutely no bench. We can run them out of the gym if they aren't careful.

 

[502 Wildcat]

The NET is just so ridiculous. We lost to USC on the road and dropped 6 spots and UT lost to them 7 days later at home and dropped 1 spot. Arizona lost to Oregon St who was 198 on same day we lost to USC and dropped 1 spot and then moved back up that spot the next game.

The NET is seriously flawed, but in the cases you mentioned, a big part of that comes down to resume and strength of schedule.

What is dragging UK down now are two things:

1. Our Quad 3 home loss to a Wilmington team that now has 7 losses.
2. The buy-teams we played early on, despite some of them looking promising a couple of months ago, have absolutely tanked. Commerce and Stonehill have NET rankings in the 300's, Marshall is .500, Saint Josephs is starting to pile up losses, and Penn has completely imploded.

SJU and Penn were both looking like contenders in their leagues at one point (when they both beat Villanova)

It seems silly, but if you rack up a bunch of NET 120-180 wins it makes a massive difference compared to pilling up wins over 260-320 teams.

 

[Padsfs07]

The NET is just so ridiculous. We lost to USC on the road and dropped 6 spots and UT lost to them 7 days later at home and dropped 1 spot. Arizona lost to Oregon St who was 198 on same day we lost to USC and dropped 1 spot and then moved back up that spot the next game.

However, UK also moved up 2 after USC beat UT.

 

[Cats192]

The NET is seriously flawed, but in the cases you mentioned, a big part of that comes down to resume and strength of schedule.

What is dragging UK down now are two things:

1. Our Quad 3 home loss to a Wilmington team that now has 7 losses.
2. The buy-teams we played early on, despite some of them looking promising a couple of months ago, have absolutely tanked. Commerce and Stonehill have NET rankings in the 300's, Marshall is .500, Saint Josephs is starting to pile up losses, and Penn has completely imploded.

SJU and Penn were both looking like contenders in their leagues at one point (when they both beat Villanova)

It seems silly, but if you rack up a bunch of NET 120-180 wins it makes a massive difference compared to pilling up wins over 260-320 teams.

All great points.

The Quad 3 loss hurts, but Arizona, Kansas, and Illinois all have a quad 3 loss. Their NET ranking is being upheld by the # of Quad 1 games. They all have 7 or more. We currently have 5. And you don't necessarily have to win the quad 1 games. Illinois has a 3-4 record and they're above us. Bama is 3-4 and they're #7 in the NET.

If we can take care of business at home the next 2 weeks, we should see a pretty good jump.

 

[The_Answer1313]

They could fall. But the 5 spot jump was in large part thanks to them beating down a WCC team. I assume they'll do a fair bit more of that. A quad 1 loss @ Rupp shouldn't hurt them too badly.

I think they may see a dip and then build back up.

Yep tho I guess really the most important thing is what they are at the end of the year. It could very well be a Quad 1 game at the time of the game and drop off OR the other way around.

 

[The_Answer1313]

It seems silly, but if you rack up a bunch of NET 120-180 wins it makes a massive difference compared to pilling up wins over 260-320 teams.

It's really a matter of MOV tho.

You can schedule a bunch of those 260-320 and still have a good NET. You just need to win those games by a wider margin than the teams that are scheduling the 120-180. Which makes sense logically.

The real issue with UK isn't necessarily the W/L records. It's that the MOV isn't large enough for us to be rated higher than we currently are at.

We came into SEC play ranked 19th in Kenpom. 7 games in and we are 21st. At any point during that period we were no higher than 17th and no lower than 21st. The majority of those games we've been hovering around what the prediction was.

These systems (BPI, NET, Kenpom etc etc) are all very much based on "given your rank and given your opponent rank, you should win/loss this game by X amount. You do better than X, you move up. You do worse than X, you move down. Whereas humans set this line to zero all the time (ie win u move up in polls, lose u move down in polls most of the time), the computers set it to a specific amount.

I think the methodology is sound. Tonight UK is a six point favorite in Kenpom vs UF. If we win by more than that amount, we'll move up because it would suggest that maybe we are better than our current rank (or UF is worse or both).

I don't know. There's issue with these systems but overall it's easy to see the logic behind what they are doing.

 

[The_Answer1313]

BTW the Quads do not matter for the NET. They don't give a bonus for being a fringe Q1 team over a team that's barely on the other side in Q2.

The quad system merely exists to make things easier on the committee. It's easy to see well Team X is 4-2 in Q1 games.

NET already handles this much better tho. The system actually factors it much deeper. They know a win vs NET #1 isn't the same as a win vs NET #20 even tho the committee just sees both are 1-0 in Q1.

This is why it's ridiculous IMO to have a committee. They undo part of what NET does correctly.

 

[JonathanW]

Until we beat them, dropping them back to Q2

 

[Emarc]

Just win

 

[Cats192]

Until we beat them, dropping them back to Q2

We'll be a Quad 1 game for them. I'm not sure they'll drop a whole 4 spots for losing @ Rupp.

Even if they did, they'll probably smash most of their WCC competition the rest of the way and should move back up. They may not be Quad 1 in the end, but I think there's a good chance it works out.

 

[Fox2monk]

They beat Little Sisters of the Poor so badly they jumped 5 spots in the NET rankings.

They’re number 26, which means they’ll he a quad 1 opportunity. It’ll be a Quad 1 loss for them if we beat them, so they shouldn’t fall too bad. And they can go back to beating up on their conference to help their NET rankings.

That’s good for us, now we need to beat them. At home we shouldn’t lose that game.

 

[Fox2monk]

Yes we need that to be a Q1 win for us! Badly!

And we need Miss State and Florida to climb into the Top-30 as well, they are close!

Beat Tennessee this weekend, Gonzaga next weekend, and have Miss State and Florida climb into Top 30, and we suddenly have 6 Quad-1 wins with more on the way (hopefully)

We need to win the games though. I hope we do. We definitely can but we gotta go out and do it.

 

[ck-2]

I would love for us to blow them out.