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The problem is the arguments aren't consistent. Any SEC bowl loss from a non-playoff team is explained away with a "huh I guess they just didn't want to be there and couldn't get up for the game after missing the playoff" but if an SEC team wins a non-playoff bowl it's "wow I knew the SEC was better."
You're using the QB excuse now for UGA. Did you give FSU the same benefit of the doubt last year? I'm guessing you didn't.
SEC homers thought Bama should have made the playoff. They lost to Vandy, got blown out by OU, and lost to a very mediocre Michigan team. They weren't any better than a team like Illinois just because they were in the SEC.
Michigan got trounced by Texas, but I guess they were great too. NIU, that is the team that got screwed by the playoff committee. And, through it all, the ACC still sucked, from every angle.
Lots of good points and counter points being made about various teams, schedules, injury impact so forth, but from what I've seen Ohio State is really playing at a very high level right now, forget about losing to Michigan, right now love em or hate em, Ohio State is elite and in a position to take home all the marbles IMO.
I don't think I mentioned Michigan, NIU, or any ACC team.
But we do have direct comparisons to how Indiana and two SEC schools fared against other top teams. And Indiana played closer than both SEC teams.
The SEC cheerleaders are going to be disappointed if things don't change. Lots of money north of the SEC and with Oregon. The gap is not going to widen. The SEC is still going to be competitive, but other teams are going to be able to buy the same talent.
I'm just glad these stupid arguments don't decide who gets to play for a title anymore. It's finally being decided on the field and that's a damn good thing, even if some of the games are blowouts.
The south finally has to pay its labor and it all goes to shit...history repeating itself.
I even said above it wasnt an excuse but certainly something worthy of mention.
With their 3rd string qb they still beat texas. Without their star qb, fsu looked terrible. Bad luck but thems the breaks.
Uhm no. Without their star QB FSU beat a ranked opponent in a conference title game with an absolutely elite defense. Let's compare apples to apples. Both teams won their conference title game without their starting QB, and UGA wasn't without their starting QB for the entire game like FSU was.
If an SEC version of FSU lost their bowl game after being left out of the playoffs the narrative 1000% percent would have been the didn't care about the game, weren't motivated because it wasn't a playoff game, etc. etc. Hell, that's the excuse being used for Bama this year. But for some reason with FSU it means they sucked. And people conveniently forget the fact that UGA had zero opt outs for the Orange Bowl last year, while FSU had 24.
Whichever one us playing Louisville
No, you didn’t mention them. You compared games, which is not dispositive.
Look, I thought IU deserved to be in the playoffs for their season and I don’t think the one game at ND changes that, but Michigan beat OSU and NIU beat ND and Michigan got thumped by Texas. It’s all relevant to IU, if you are score comparing. UGA beat Texas twice. So, is UGA better than the Michigan that beat OSU that beat IU?
Score comparisons don’t tell us much.
The SEC teams are no longer dominating the line of scrimmage....and its the lineman and the QB that determine the destiny of a football team. And line play is exactly why UK is failing. Fix the line, and fix UK.
Keep in mind Texas is one year removed from being in the Big 12. The conference love or hate is ridiculous. Texas would be great in Conference USA. They invest in their program and they are a recruiting hot bed.
The reality for the SEC is they made a mistake in expanding. The Big Ten is probably going to regret their expansion. The talent will continue to cycle in and out of the conference.
Texas had weakest SOS very likely if they had a face a harder SEC schedule they don’t make the playoff.
IMO the teams that survive the SEC more than likely will have the weakest SEC SOS. Then it becomes are they really that good. The good news is every SEC team has talent so if you are coached up and catch a break in your schedule you have a shot.
The reality for the SEC is they made a mistake in expanding. The Big Ten is probably going to regret their expansion. The talent will continue to cycle in and out of the conference.
Texas had weakest SOS very likely if they had a face a harder SEC schedule they don’t make the playoff.
IMO the teams that survive the SEC more than likely will have the weakest SEC SOS. Then it becomes are they really that good. The good news is every SEC team has talent so if you are coached up and catch a break in your schedule you have a shot.
Agree totally with your last sentence.
This year's Georgia team was very good but not at the level of their previous championship teams.
Beck was inconsistent throughout the year and had a stretch of games where he threw a ton of INTs. OL was good but not dominant. No WR or TE posed the matchup problem that Bowers did. RBs we're good, not exceptional.
Defense was good, not outstanding. Even at Georgia, losing 5 or more players to the NFL several years in a row is hard to replace. No dominant DL, LBs solid but not outstanding and secondary was above average at best. Several games exposed the secondary as below Georgia's normal level.
Even with Beck, I'm not sure they win last night.
To my eye, OSU is clearly the best team. Whether they win it all is TBD, but they have the most talent of any of the remaining four, imo.
Beck was inconsistent throughout the year and had a stretch of games where he threw a ton of INTs. OL was good but not dominant. No WR or TE posed the matchup problem that Bowers did. RBs we're good, not exceptional.
Defense was good, not outstanding. Even at Georgia, losing 5 or more players to the NFL several years in a row is hard to replace. No dominant DL, LBs solid but not outstanding and secondary was above average at best. Several games exposed the secondary as below Georgia's normal level.
Even with Beck, I'm not sure they win last night.
To my eye, OSU is clearly the best team. Whether they win it all is TBD, but they have the most talent of any of the remaining four, imo.
I finally won an easy O/U bet on under 45 last night, even with the idiotic coaching by Kirby Smart at end of 1st half which gifted ND 7 points. What the HELL was he thinking with 39 seconds left and a backup QB???
SOS is flawed because it never accounts/adjust for talent and depth.
Yes a run of the mill SEC schedule is tough. Also, a run of the mill SEC team has a lot more talent and depth to deal with it.
“Bama, Ole Miss, etc had a tougher road…”
Cool…they have pros all over the field. Or at the very least top tier collegiate players.
There has to be some sort of accounting for relative depth/talent.
Which I think the expanded playoffs allow for. The big dogs got in, but so did the underdogs who had equally impressive seasons when you account for everything.
The only way we had a shot was no mistakes and we had some. Thought defense played well enough to win, the fumble right before half at the 13 and 2nd half return, did us in. But reality is we were just not very good offensively, and it showed multiple times this year. Kirby has got some tough decisios to make with staff, but our OL play limits what we can run, OL coach has to go, I hope Bobo retires, don't think Kirby will replace him.
I think football is a game based so much on physicality that when one team has little energy and the other has a lot anything can happen even when the other has superior athletes. With all the strategy built into the game nothing is as important as playing hard and physical to give your side a better chance to win.
Notre Dame beat Georgia just like they beat us and everybody else other than Northern Illinois. Let you make the big mistake, play physically on both sides of the football, win the turnover battle and keep the pressure off of their QB as a result. If they were ever forced to win on Leonard's arm they'd be in deep crap.
146 points off of turnovers this year is a staggering number. That's a two plus score handicap a game. When you consider that they have legitimate All Americans in Morrison and Riley Mills defensively out and their running game is down to their QB since Love is hurt it makes it that much more remarkable they're onto the Semis. A big tip of the hat to Marcus Freeman really doing it with mirrors.
146 points off of turnovers this year is a staggering number. That's a two plus score handicap a game. When you consider that they have legitimate All Americans in Morrison and Riley Mills defensively out and their running game is down to their QB since Love is hurt it makes it that much more remarkable they're onto the Semis. A big tip of the hat to Marcus Freeman really doing it with mirrors.
The stuff you posted is MOSTLY true. BUT, you failed to mention one thing about your backing of FSU. Yes they did hold Louisville to 2 FGs, but that is not why FSU didn't get in. It was because without the starting QB, FSU ONLY scored 16 points (defense set up all of them) against a terrible Louisville defense that gave up :
34 points to Georgia Tech
28 to BC (they only scored that or more 2 times all year)
38 to Pitt
24 to a 3-9 Virginia team who couldn't score all year, yet score 24 on Louisville
31 to Miami
38 to UK - UK only scored more 2 times all year, Ball State and Vandy. Had a horrible offense but scored 38 on Louisville
42 to USC
So the point being is, all of these teams scored a ton of points against Louisville's defense, but all FSU could score was 16 (and the defense did the heavy lifting). Not having the QB was why FSU got left out. The offense was non existent without the starting QB. The only giving up 16 was not the issue, the offense not being able to move the ball without a QB was.
Then you got out and get blasted v/s Georgia. They only scored 3 whole points. the QB in the game was 9/26 (34% completion %) 139 yards, 0 TDs and 2 Ints. Team rushing they had 26 rushes for 63 yards (2.4 yards per carry). They was not beating any quality team without their stud QB, Louisville defense was not good, but FSU couldn't move the ball.
Offensive stats against a terrible Louisville :
12 first downs / 44 rushes 165 yards (3.75 ypc) / QB was 8/21 (38%) for 55 yards. 220 TOTAL yards of offense.
2 games w/o the starting QB - 17/47 (36%) 194 yards / 2 INTs / ZERO TDs. That is why FSU got left out.
fact -- ( I think , lol). Ga ran 4 plays in the 3rd Q ... FOUR total plays , a 3 and out and a fumble on the other play .
I thought both teams looked totally underwhelming . Ga with a QB no one has seen . A 1 point fav over ND . Vegas sure didnt think much of ND
You fail to mention the third string QB would not have played in the playoff. He was a late decision. The backup did fine against Florida the week before. But defenses overcome average QB play all the time and FSU's defense was lights out. They gave up ONE TD in 2.5 games after Travis' injury. FSU played two games without Travis and was ranked 4th in the rankings. ONLY when they needed to have an SEC team get in, did this BS start. If Georgia beats Bama, it was going to be the four undefeated teams. But Georgia lost and then ESPN's golden goose couldn't be left out with SEC's commish running this sport--so they had to try and shoe in Bama. But wait! We can't get Bama in without Texas cause one loss Texas beat Bama by double digits on the road. Thus FSU got screwed over.
Funny how Washington was allowed to barely beat Washington State, and Bama barely beat Auburn...that's okay though. It's utter nonsense.
Oh you cited the Georgia game? LOL FSU's entire production opted out. Georgia went and played third stringer and scout teams. Several draft picks, all of the skill players. 29 scholarship players opted out. That was not just scrubs. That was like 80% of the production. Of the 57 offensive TDs for the year, 49 of those TDs opted out. The o-line gone, d-line gone (including NFL stud Verse), their NFL RB, WRs, and TE all didn't play. Georgia's first team played.
So in one breath, it's "you're not the same team without Travis" and then it's "Oh without 30 players, you were totally the same team that went 13-0." It's BS.
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Anyone not a Noles fan think FSU should have been in a four team playoff last year?
It’s all subjective, but I would want to hear from the non-Noles fans of college football who think the committee got that wrong.
It’s all subjective, but I would want to hear from the non-Noles fans of college football who think the committee got that wrong.
What was the excuse against a terrible Louisville team ? They could NOT move the ball. The QB was 9/26 NO TDs and 2 INTs against a terrible defense. FSU had ALL of those offensive studs for that game. The backup was terrible and they was NOT beating a plaayoff team without Travis, PERIOD. They would have got BLASTED. With Travis, absolutely could have won it all, without him, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
How are you ignoring that Brock Glenn was NOT the QB against Florida and was not going to be the QB for the playoff. He only played against Louisville cause the backup got a concussion in the Florida game. He didn’t turn the ball over and they won by 10 running Wildcat. You keep mentioning Georgia game.
The team won despite not having a QB. We just saw Michigan beat Bama with no QB. You keep viewing this as some negative. In reality it shows that they dominated defensively and still won despite having to play an 18 year old third string QB.
The backup decided to opt out after FSU got left out. The Georgia game doesn’t mean shit as the entire production opted out so you citing this third stringer’s stats on the scout team against first stringer Georgia means nothing.
You didn’t even watch but one game and think you know what you’re talking about and you don’t.
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It's not madness. I'm pretty sure Indiana beat one team Michigan that finished with a winning record .
Now you can only play the teams that's on you're schedule. But maybe since the schedule ended up being soft you should get punished some for it.
My take earlier has nothing to do with SEC bias as you claim.
To hell with the SEC. Kentucky gets no boost because another SEC team won a game.
For me it's not about what conference a team played in. It's about Indiana played a weak schedule.
The coach even said when looking at their schedule before he signed on for the job that playing that schedule they should win 10.
So he was counting Ohio State and Michigan as losses. Turns out he did one better by beating Michigan.
I don't care how much Notre Dame beat Indiana by vs. Beating Georgia.
Indiana played a weak schedule.
I'm sorry you're Noles didn't get in last year. They absolutely deserved to be in over Alabama. That doesn't change the fact that Indiana played exactly 2 teams with a pulse.
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SEC was not good this year, been down 2 years in a row but as I posted earlier it's much better than that Sunbelt level league that goes by the ACC. Big 10 is spending big money to get back on top and it's working. Next time new rules are made up ACC and Big 12 may be competing for the group slot.
One of your brethren lost pretty badly to a sunbelt level team, and another out played your team but fumbled it away late. Also, ND had more difficulty beating some of the “Sunbelt level” teams than they did your over ranked team.
Just so you know I am not using the QB aa an excuse. We could have had Tom Brady back there and the way ND abused our OL it wouldn't have matter. Stacey Searels has turned our OL from one of top 2-3 in the country into statues who don't move their feet. But Kirby's dad passed away today so we are in a holding pattern for awhile.
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