Garrison & Terrance Jones

[Farsight]

I just had this thought, that Garrison reminds me a lot like Terrance Jones' freshman year. Frustrating, turn over prone, a little selfish.

Can drive, dunk and sometimes can make a three.

I know Garrison is a 5 and Terrance was more of a 4, but if Garrison does come back next year, lets hope he works his tail off in the off season to have a monumental second year at Kentucky. I think we are going t need him.

 

[UKSanders]

I don’t think you are really trying to compare their games but only their development and flashes of potential at their respective positions, right?

Garrison is definitely not a stretch PF as he doesn’t handle the ball nearly as well as TJones

 

[JFCats22]

I don’t see that comparison at all. Not even close. Jones was a superstar as a freshman, Garrison has been a mediocre back up

 

[Cowtown Cat]

I like the upside of Garrison. He’s frustrating like Jones was his freshman year. However, TJ was and absolute monster in college! Dude was a great player.

 

[BlueSince92]

Statistically per 40 that's a surprisingly good comparison. Jones edges Garrison out in almost everything but never by all that much. Based on first years here. Makes me think even more than previously that Garrison would be a great solution to our PF spot going forward.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

I wished.

 

[BlueSince92]

I don’t think you are really trying to compare their games but only their development and flashes of potential at their respective positions, right?

Garrison is definitely not a stretch PF as he doesn’t handle the ball nearly as well as TJones

You are definitely right about the handling. But to me it seems like a 4 in Pope's system may actually be able to get away with handling the ball less than a 5. Worked that way for Carr and Williams, anyway.

 

[onearmedjesus]

Garrison is a Jamaal Magloire with an outside shot. Same ball handling ability and same chip-on-the-shoulder attitude. Hopefully he can find his own version of Wojo during the postseason.
“We are starting to show spurts of consistency” -Jamaal Magloire

 

[kyboy1998]

I think this is a swing and miss. I think you’ve noticed BG can be chippy and is long and you drew a bad comparison.

In reality I think Jones and Lamb are the two most under appreciated talents Cal had during his tenure here. They were instrumental in why he will be welcomed back years from now.

 

[jedwar]

I don’t see that comparison at all. Not even close. Jones was a superstar as a freshman, Garrison has been a mediocre back up

Yeah I’m not seeing it either. Not similar players at all.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Terrance Jones - Absolute physical specimen of a 4/5. Has the ability to do damage on drives, has an excellent nose for the ball, herky jerky lefty dribble moves with an inconsistent but able outside shot. Versatility to score with post moves but also capable of attacking with handle. Very good defender, shot blocker with a good motor.

Brandon Garrison - Extremely raw rim-runner with a mostly finesse skill set. Does not possess the awareness, handle or finishing ability to excel as a slasher. Very capable outside shooter with good shot mechanics. Good foot speed and quickness allows for good positional defending on the perimeter but lack of low post defensive discipline and weight deficiency leads to subpar individual defense in the paint. Inconsistent motor with shot blocking potential but poor rotational awareness.

Don’t see the comparison much at all.

 

[catman15]

I'll never forget Terrence Jones 0-5 from the free throw line against Uconn in the final 4. That and Cal screaming he's a selfish MFer at him mid court loud enough for my deaf uncle to hear. I'm glad he came back and helped us get one though

 

[TM2013]

I think BG will be very good next year and a potential superstar his senior year. He has the tools, athleticism and motor to make big strides. I hope he stays long enough to find out.

 

[Eagles_Ball]

Sometimes I can’t decide if bball knowledge on this forum is just really not great or if people just get bored and dream stuff up.

TJ and Garrison have both played for UK and are both persons of color. That’s about where the comparisons end. I guess both can be insanely frustrating at times, but hell that describes about any college basketball player. TJs floor is about Garrisons ceiling. Skill set nowhere near similar. If Garrison returns anything near Soph TJ numbers next year, please copy this post and remind me of it. Assuming we upgrade talent (we should) at the 5 in the offseason, I’d say Garrison will do well to duplicate his numbers from this year.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Sometimes I can’t decide if bball knowledge on this forum is just really not great or if people just get bored and dream stuff up.

TJ and Garrison have both played for UK and are both persons of color. That’s about where the comparisons end. I guess both can be insanely frustrating at times, but hell that describes about any college basketball player. TJs floor is about Garrisons ceiling. Skill set nowhere near similar. If Garrison returns anything near Soph TJ numbers next year, please copy this post and remind me of it. Assuming we upgrade talent (we should) at the 5 in the offseason, I’d say Garrison will do well to duplicate his numbers from this year.

I can answer that. A lot of the bball knowledge on this board is not great. More than half of the board will tell you they wouldn’t want Cooper Flagg on their team because he isn’t any good. Half of the board doesn’t watch anyone but Kentucky. Half the board will cry all year about Pope playing certain players, only to find that those players end up balling out. Prime example being Amari Williams. A recent example being Collin Chandler. There are plenty of knowledgeable posters here and there are also some hilariously bad ones in terms of knowing the game.

 

[ftp000]

Garrison is definitely not a stretch PF as he doesn’t handle the ball nearly as well as TJTJones

But how does he handle the homeless?

 

[Eagles_Ball]

I can answer that. A lot of the bball knowledge on this board is not great. More than half of the board will tell you they wouldn’t want Cooper Flagg on their team because he isn’t any good. Half of the board doesn’t watch anyone but Kentucky. Half the board will cry all year about Pope playing certain players, only to find that those players end up balling out. Prime example being Amari Williams. A recent example being Collin Chandler. There are plenty of knowledgeable posters here and there are also some hilariously bad ones in terms of knowing the game.

Pretty fair summation. Hell, I’m guilty of the Chandler mins myself. However, I’d remind all that he hasn’t played in two yrs. That can’t fix itself overnight. I still think he can’t be counted on, but I can sure as hell see why he was a top 40 players two yrs ago.

 

[thunderradar]

Terrence Jones would make Brandon Garrison cry

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Pretty fair summation. Hell, I’m guilty of the Chandler mins myself. However, I’d remind all that he hasn’t played in two yrs. That can’t fix itself overnight. I still think he can’t be counted on, but I can sure as hell see why he was a top 40 players two yrs ago.

When it comes to Pope playing guys, I always operate under the assumption that he gets more Intel on these dudes than us. It’s not to say I don’t get frustrated with individual play because I certainly do.

 

[TucsonCat]

I don't remember being as frustrated with Jones.
He averaged 15 for a team that went to the Final 4.
We needed him to produce a lot.
I accepted he would make mistakes in that position.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I don't remember being as frustrated with Jones.
He averaged 15 for a team that went to the Final 4.
We needed him to produce a lot.
I accepted he would make mistakes in that position.

Jones was inconsistent shooter and made bonehead mistakes but he played hard and was an elite, elite, elite level defender and rebounder. He was frustrating at times his freshman year but nothing to the degree of what we see with BG. Another reason it isn’t a good comparison.

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

They are both tall human beings who play basketball. Garrison could be equally good at what he does as TJ was at he did if BG improves quite a bit. However, their role and abilities are not that similar. Jones was fairly fluid with his movement and had an explosive burst that is rare.
BG will need to become a rim protector, glass getter, passer, and continue with his outside shot. He does not need to be Terrance Jones taking his man off the dribble.

 

[cathouse]

Well, their basketball IQ's are very similar as Freshmen.

 

[HagginHall1999]

I just had this thought, that Garrison reminds me a lot like Terrance Jones' freshman year. Frustrating, turn over prone, a little selfish.

Can drive, dunk and sometimes can make a three.

I know Garrison is a 5 and Terrance was more of a 4, but if Garrison does come back next year, lets hope he works his tail off in the off season to have a monumental second year at Kentucky. I think we are going t need him.

 

[chattanoogawildcat]

Jamaal Magloire is my comparison input.

 

[SophiesDad]

Jones would work Garrison like a summer job. Most of the time when Garrison checks in and we have a lead, it starts to dissipate quickly. Jones had some monster games

 

[runt#69]

My gut can see what you're getting at, even though I think if you think about comparing his game between the two, it's a very esoteric comparison vis - a - vis skillset and possibilities between where the two diverge. Jones - wayyyyyy too good movement compared to Garrison, he'd have to come a LONG WAY to get that fast and smooth, and I don't ever see that.

What I do see is the shot making ability and possibilities within the system of becoming - Jones-like in the offense, though, and I think that's what you meant.

My gut tells me that's not too bad a thought, I'd like that. I've really been quietly wanting to see Garrison channel the enthusiasm and fire into just staying within his game and putting more energy into moving out there, hustle like a raged behemoth, and his shot is coming along. It's nice to see, we really need him to continue developing, and now I really want to see him and Oweh come back to lead next year.

But that's another discussion.

I"m with chattanooga on this one, my Nashville raised behind agrees with the Jamaal Magloire connection for Garrison, comparison input. I'd rather like to see that develop.

Either way, I am really happy the young man is starting to show spurts of consistency ! 😉

Go Big Blue !

 

[gharding07]

I don’t see that comparison at all. Not even close. Jones was a superstar as a freshman, Garrison has been a mediocre back up

Yeah same, swing and a miss on this take.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

TJ was a bad ass.

Ge could handle like a guard. Remember when he dunked so hard the ball hit the floor before he came down and landed on the ball?

Dude wasn’t afraid of anyone. In the Blue/White game his sophomore year he put 50 on AD.

Absolutely no comparison to Garrisson.

 

[Fox2monk]

I don’t think you are really trying to compare their games but only their development and flashes of potential at their respective positions, right?

Garrison is definitely not a stretch PF as he doesn’t handle the ball nearly as well as TJones

Nor rebound or play defense like him. I still think he’s a good player but if he even had his defensive potential he would be so much better.

 

[Fox2monk]

If only that Cal stayed at Kentucky the entire time.

 

[Farsight]

I don’t think you are really trying to compare their games but only their development and flashes of potential at their respective positions, right?

Garrison is definitely not a stretch PF as he doesn’t handle the ball nearly as well as TJones

You right. I was comparing the development.

 

[Farsight]

Yeah I’m not seeing it either. Not similar players at all.

It was more about the development. I never said they were the same player. That some of the things I saw from Garrison reminded me of Terrance.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

It was more about the development. I never said they were the same player. That some of the things I saw from Garrison reminded me of Terrance.

Only comparison I see are temperament. TJ could be a loose cannon. And was quite immature.

But Garrison is not a freshman.

 

[fatguy87]

Jones would be fun to watch in Pope’s system.

He brought some physical prowess, good handles, and a passable jumper from 3 to the 4 position. He’s not quite as good as shooting as Car, but he had more athletic tools and even superior dribbling ability.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Only comparison I see are temperament. TJ could be a loose cannon. And was quite immature.

But Garrison is not a freshman.

Yeah but even there Jones was a legit tough guy and Garrison is kind of a class clown

 

[onearmedjesus]

Would love to see Garrison pull one of these in the NCAAs:

 

[UKBB4Ever]

Yeah but even there Jones was a legit tough guy and Garrison is kind of a class clown

I was a huge TJ fan. So I’m with you.

 

[darrellm1234]

I just had this thought, that Garrison reminds me a lot like Terrance Jones' freshman year. Frustrating, turn over prone, a little selfish.

Can drive, dunk and sometimes can make a three.

I know Garrison is a 5 and Terrance was more of a 4, but if Garrison does come back next year, lets hope he works his tail off in the off season to have a monumental second year at Kentucky. I think we are going t need him.

If Garrison does indeed come back next season , he should have a huge all- conference type season. I want to see him back next season badly.

 

[catben]

Terrance Jones - Absolute physical specimen of a 4/5. Has the ability to do damage on drives, has an excellent nose for the ball, herky jerky lefty dribble moves with an inconsistent but able outside shot. Versatility to score with post moves but also capable of attacking with handle. Very good defender, shot blocker with a good motor.

Brandon Garrison - Extremely raw rim-runner with a mostly finesse skill set. Does not possess the awareness, handle or finishing ability to excel as a slasher. Very capable outside shooter with good shot mechanics. Good foot speed and quickness allows for good positional defending on the perimeter but lack of low post defensive discipline and weight deficiency leads to subpar individual defense in the paint. Inconsistent motor with shot blocking potential but poor rotational awareness.

Don’t see the comparison much at all.

THIS!!!

Terrance was a really good defender his sophomore year!!! He shut down opposing PF's. Now, it helped that he had AD protecting the rim, but he was still MUCH better than Garrison on the defensive end.

And on the offensive end he was a KILLER!!! He had all the confidence in the world and he rarely got too upset. he could score at all 3 levels and was STRONG!!

I remember how he just TOTALLY frustrated Thomas Robinson in the championship game.