I think they would be embarrassed worse than any team since the playoffs began. In fact, wouldn't be surprised at all to see them lose to u6.
FSU In Playoff?
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This is such a hard call if they beat UL
They'd be undefeated.....but they will be man handled in opening game....
It would be
FSU
Michigan
Bama/UGA
Oregon/Texas/Washington
Any of those teams will smash them.
They'd be undefeated.....but they will be man handled in opening game....
It would be
FSU
Michigan
Bama/UGA
Oregon/Texas/Washington
Any of those teams will smash them.
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So much for the eye test
Does anyone honestly believe they would beat a 1 loss bama, Texas, or Ohio state? Because if they beat UL they will be in before those teams
Does anyone honestly believe they would beat a 1 loss bama, Texas, or Ohio state? Because if they beat UL they will be in before those teams
It suck’s that their QB got hurt. They had a good win opening weekend against LSU but the ACC is brutally weak. If they win next week, they will get slaughtered in the semis.
The more interesting debate is Oregon-Washington. If it’s a close game and Oregon pulls it out, what do you do?
The more interesting debate is Oregon-Washington. If it’s a close game and Oregon pulls it out, what do you do?
You already forgot TCU? If they end up 13-0, they would be the undefeated champion of a P5 conference and the first to be left out of the 4 team playoff.
The committee is going to have a hard decision to make if FSU wins out. They took heat over putting TCU in there last time, and there was a lot of noise about doing a better job of ranking teams truly on their strength and ability not on their w/l record alone. If they had the 12 team field this year they wouldn't have this problem, maybe other less significant ones but not facing the decision rather or not to put a perfect conference winner in or out.
TCU beat Michigan though. Sure they got embarrassed by Georgia, we know all about that, but they won a playoff game.
So can’t say they didn’t deserve to be there.
I don’t know anyone who things FSU without Travis is good enough to be in the playoff, most were skeptical with him.
Just see what Kentucky did on the road to the ACC #2 team. And we couldn’t manage a winning record in the SEC.
It won't be a hard decision at all. They win; they're in.
They will beat UL and then be a bye week for Georgia. In the meantime, Michigan and Oregon will be a slobber knocker. That sets up really well for a Georgia three peat!
Why pick on FSU. Washington, Texas, Ohio St and probably Oregon are in the same boat. Two or three of these teams will get exposed in the playoffs if they get there.
Oregon is far superior to FSU without Travis, Texas, or Ohio. We'll find out Fri if they are better than Washington on a neutral field.
I think Washington and Oregon are fairly equal and a couple of notches below UGA, ALA and probably MICH. I think Texas has some questions to be answered .FSU without their QB could struggle vs UL but I think they win.(which throws a monkey wrench into the whole process)
Unless they just come out and look amazing vs UL, I see no way they should be in the playoffs. I know the resume but you have to consider that resume wasn't achieved by the team on the field. The team they can field is in no way a playoff team.
That's what should be the measure
That's what should be the measure
Right now, 4 undefeated teams make it really easy.
If the weekend goes chalk I reckon it stays that way.
If things go tits up, then the break glass in case of emergency protocol is probably "F**k it throw some Bama on it and let's roll..."
In the emergency scenario of upsets and a bunch of 1 loss teams with a claim, the PAC and ACC are first out. They can't have a loss. SEC, BIG10, and Texas can.
The Bama Texas games the past two years have been block busters in terms of ratings and hype. You may error on the side of the west coast if it's USC in the mix, but most people could care less about Oregon and Washington. Nobody could tell you where those states are on a map let alone anything about the schools, campus, programs etc...
If the weekend goes chalk I reckon it stays that way.
If things go tits up, then the break glass in case of emergency protocol is probably "F**k it throw some Bama on it and let's roll..."
In the emergency scenario of upsets and a bunch of 1 loss teams with a claim, the PAC and ACC are first out. They can't have a loss. SEC, BIG10, and Texas can.
The Bama Texas games the past two years have been block busters in terms of ratings and hype. You may error on the side of the west coast if it's USC in the mix, but most people could care less about Oregon and Washington. Nobody could tell you where those states are on a map let alone anything about the schools, campus, programs etc...
There are 2 things that could happen where I could see it potentially happen (although I don't think it will) if FSU struggles against UL and barely squeak a in out:
1. Oregon beats Washington in another very close game
2. Bama beats UGA convincingly
A Jordan Travis FSU won that game. That FSU is done and not coming back. Unless they show otherwise, without him they're not one of the four best teams and shouldn't be in. It's really that simple.
I'm just stating objective facts. If you were objective, you'd agree but obviously you're not.
If he was on that level, they would've looked better vs UF. There is one more chance so we'll see but short of a surprise the team they can put on the field is not one of the four best. It just isn't.
Florida state will absolutely get in if they win Saturday there is no doubt about that. I understand you are a fan of them so of course your opinion is very swayed.
I think what most people believe is that given they lost their best player, who they only had one win against a current top 25 team with anyways they more than likely not actually one of the top 4 teams in the country.
It is easy for UK fans to speak more “objectively” because we have no skin in the game and it is a fun topic, how a FSU fan wondered onto this board is surprising tbh.
All things considered do you truly believe Florida state is a top four team without Travis?
Not if they deserve to be in the playoff or not, but if they are number 4 in the country?
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There's not a factual thing about what you said. It's just bias. You're arguing something you can't even prove.
So again, you think a 24-15 road win against a rival is something to hold against them but it's not something to hold against Washington for needing a last second field goal to beat Washington State or a Georgia team to beat a 6-6 Tech team by one possession.
And you're objective? I don't think so. Let's not act like you thought they would beat LSU either.
FSU absolutely has shown to be one of the best teams in the country as they have won every single game that has been on their power five schedule. Only three other teams can say the same thing.
Who are you arguing is better? Oregon/Washington? Well, that solves itself on Saturday, doesn't it? A conference where defense is a foreign concept (since we're discussing conferences here). Ohio State? Who did Ohio State beat? Penn State?
Texas? Texas lost to Oklahoma. Bama? Bama lost to that Texas team and needed a miracle to beat 6-6 Auburn team, beat a 4-8 Arkansas team by three.
We could do this all day with teams but you want to apply it to certain teams and then ignore it for others.
But to answer your question, I think FSU is the third best team in the country right now.
I would argue that without Travis There are probably 20-30 or more teams that could easily beat FSU, you want to bring the Florida game into it but also forget to mention that they also had their back up QB in the game.
Wasn’t UCF undefeated a couple years ago and did not get in? Florida state has that LSU win so if they win they will be in for sure as a power 5 undefeated team, but every other team with even one loss has a better win than them and if you were being honest would be favored in a game played today.
If they played LSU today LSU would also be favored.
If Oregon, Florida State, Alabama, Texas and wildly iowa wins this weekend then I would say each of these teams should be ahead of FSU:
Oregon, Washington, Georgia, Texas, Bama, Michigan.
With Travis no one is even talking about this, but each of those teams has a significantly better win than FSU and also passes the “eye” test that the committee is always talking about.
This is just my opinion though. Win and you’re in!
If Bama beats GA. what happens then? No way in hell is the SEC Champion left out. FSU does not deserve to get in they had one good win LSU the first game of year. ACC was weak sauce and that may keep them out after Championships are completed. I am not saying they won't get in, but, I think someone else that is outside of top 4 gets in if one of those teams win their Conference Championship.
Like it or not, an undefeated P5 champion team isn't getting left out. Period. If Alabama beats Georgia, they're in, unless Michigan, Washington, Florida St., and Texas all win, and, even then, they could jump Texas, but not Florida St.
This is the most ridiculous post on this thread. Did Travis play defense?
“LSU would be favored today.” Yeah, okay, and who is it that LSU beat that convinces you that they would overcome a 21 point loss (a game in which they were down 28)?
20-30 teams. Dude you’re out of your mind. Also UCF wasn’t a power five team. This is going to be an undefeated ACC champ yet you so desperately want two teams from the SEC obviously. You have nothing but negative stuff to say about FSU yet overlook sooo much with all of the other teams.
Big Georgia struggling with 6-6 Ga Tech (but meh)
Bama needing miracle to beat a team that got smoked by New Mexico State (that’s okay)
Washington needing last second field goal after a muffed punt to beat a 5-7 Washington State? No problem.
Beating an SEC rival on their home field by 9? Ohh this is so bad.
I am asking you a question yet you refuse to answer.
Yes FSU could easily lose to a lot of teams without a quarterback, like it or not almost everyone can lose, as you have stated Georgia and Washington right? Would it be ridiculous to suggest they could lose to 20 teams when they have had close calls? Absolutely not you are just swayed because your team is involved.
LSU beat that same Florida team with their quarterback by 17, FSU beat them by 11….
Yes, any logical person would believe that LSU on November 28 would be favored over FSU regardless of what happened the first game of the year.
If Travis was playing then I would agree with you. How can you not acknowledge that your QB is hurt and that changes the team?
FSU is in the playoffs if they win Saturday I acknowledge that, no reasonable person believes without Travis they are a top 4 team.
If Louisville beats them Saturday, a team a bad UK team handled will this change your mind or should they still be in over Texas?
You think TCU would destroy FSU? TCU was Charmin soft, they would have struggled getting bowl eligible in SEC and a mid pack ACC team.
Got to agree here on TCU. But, I don't think FSU this year is all that much ahead of TCU last year. Yeah, they're undefeated and all. But man is the ACC terrible this year. We joke about it but they seemed bad on a whole new level. UK beats one of their title game participants and FSU gets all they want from a terrible Florida team. I think FSU would get waxxed in their semifinal, especially if it's against UGA or maybe Bama.
This is a good thread, and this issue is very complex. The committee has stated that they value conference champions. FSU would have won a league that went 6-4 vs SEC in the non conference. Regardless, the SEC is better. But FSU did go 2-0 against our mighty SEC.
Then, if you really watch college football it is painfully obvious that the current FSU team is NOT one of the 4 best teams. The loss of Jordan Travis makes them far less explosive than before. Beating UL should not move the needle as the Cards were a handful of snaps away from going 6-6 or 7-5. Yet, leaving out an undefeated power 5 champ will be very hard to do.
It’s gonna be crazy.
But if everything goes chalk with faves winning (what the committee is hoping for), then no worries except do you pick Oregon over Texas
I’d say
UGA
Michigan
Fsu
Oregon or Texas
Then, if you really watch college football it is painfully obvious that the current FSU team is NOT one of the 4 best teams. The loss of Jordan Travis makes them far less explosive than before. Beating UL should not move the needle as the Cards were a handful of snaps away from going 6-6 or 7-5. Yet, leaving out an undefeated power 5 champ will be very hard to do.
It’s gonna be crazy.
But if everything goes chalk with faves winning (what the committee is hoping for), then no worries except do you pick Oregon over Texas
I’d say
UGA
Michigan
Fsu
Oregon or Texas
Zero grace for a QB making his first start in three years that didn't turn the ball over and still help win by two scores on the road against a rival? His running back ran for three TDs. Their defense got six sacks and only gave up 15 points?
What was Washington's excuse for a Heisman candidate struggling against Washington State or why did Georgia have an issue with Ga Tech?
It's like if ESPN and Finebaum just say something enough, it becomes the adopted narrative.
What was Washington's excuse for a Heisman candidate struggling against Washington State or why did Georgia have an issue with Ga Tech?
It's like if ESPN and Finebaum just say something enough, it becomes the adopted narrative.
There is no grace when it comes to naming the top 4 teams. A team in it's current state either is or it isn't. Grace nor compassion has anything to do with it.
Florida played a backup too. Otherwise FSU probably loses that game.
If FSU finishes 13-0 they deserve to be in the playoffs as much as anyone. They beat 2 SEC teams this season. After the injury to the QB they may or may not be one of the 4 best, but you can say that about everyone of the playoff contenders. I don't think Louisville is physical enough to beat FSU. I expect Oregon to beat Washington, and take their spot in the top 4. I think Mich beats Iowa, Bama has improved this year, can beat us if we don't play well, but if Texas wins, will the committee bump them into the playoffs?
I saw it pointed out recently that every year, among P5 teams the order has always been undefeated P5 ahead of 1 loss P5 champs, next in line are 1 loss non-champs. If FSU is 13-0 ACC champ, they're in.
What's gonna be REAL interesting is what to do if Bama beats Georgia. Michigan at 13-0 would be number 1, 13-0 FSU and either 13-0 Washington or 12-1 Oregon would be in. But then you've got 12-1 SEC champ Bama, 12-1 Big 12 champ Texas who beat Bama, and 12-1 Georgia who was #1 and lost only to Bama. Hard to believe the SEC gets completely left out, but also hard to give Bama the bid over Texas when the head to head exists.
What's gonna be REAL interesting is what to do if Bama beats Georgia. Michigan at 13-0 would be number 1, 13-0 FSU and either 13-0 Washington or 12-1 Oregon would be in. But then you've got 12-1 SEC champ Bama, 12-1 Big 12 champ Texas who beat Bama, and 12-1 Georgia who was #1 and lost only to Bama. Hard to believe the SEC gets completely left out, but also hard to give Bama the bid over Texas when the head to head exists.
