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I just don't feel like there's going to be a huge drop-off between Hatcher & Jabari/Denzil or whoever fills that spot (unless Hatcher has just improved a ton in the offseason). We've recruited quite a bit of talent at that OLB/DE spot and I think it'll be enough to where we won't see any kind of noticeable drop-off in play with Hatcher being out. One advantage of developing that SEC-caliber depth...but I do think he'll have to earn that spot back if the guys in front of him play well.
IMHO, despite his apparent talent, which is yet to be realized, Hatcher needs a redshirt season to get his act together.
If not for already having had a redshirt, the same could be said of Barker. A multi-game suspension should be in order for Barker.
IMHO another misstep and both Barker and Hatcher should be cut loose. Their actions and demonstrated disregard for their responsibilities to their teammates detract from a team that for the most part consists for responsible student/athletes.
Not sure I understand Coach Stoops suspension rationale. The wide receiver who was penalized for "targeting" on what seemed to me to be a good,clean, hard block got a one-game suspension, while Barker after two incidents of using poor judgement got a slap on the wrist. What sort of message does that sent to their teammates???
If not for already having had a redshirt, the same could be said of Barker. A multi-game suspension should be in order for Barker.
IMHO another misstep and both Barker and Hatcher should be cut loose. Their actions and demonstrated disregard for their responsibilities to their teammates detract from a team that for the most part consists for responsible student/athletes.
Not sure I understand Coach Stoops suspension rationale. The wide receiver who was penalized for "targeting" on what seemed to me to be a good,clean, hard block got a one-game suspension, while Barker after two incidents of using poor judgement got a slap on the wrist. What sort of message does that sent to their teammates???
Hatcher has exceptional quickness, which will allow him to play in the NFL one day if he can discipline himself.
Hatcher will have to earn it back and he can. Hatcher has tons of ability. As long as he stays out of trouble he will see the field a lot.
And just what should I be resting? My belief that college athletes, really athletes in general, should be responsible for their actions. We're quick to criticize the UofLs, UFs, UTs, Ohio States, etc. of the football world who sweep the missteps of their stars under the rug or simply ignore them as was the case with Jimeson, or whatever his name is, at FSU. But at UK it's OK or they deserve second and in Hatcher's case third chances. You simply can't have it both ways.
As for my comment about Coach Stoops' suspension rationale, please explain to me how you justify a suspension over a good, clean, hard hit on the football field and no suspension for immature actions off the field. Just makes no sense to me.
And before you start, I've been a UK fan for over 50 years and am a fan of Coach Stoops. But, even coaches need to be called out for inconsistent actions.
Good for you. You're a miserable fan. Hooray. Look at your history man. Nothing but negativity and complaining. Every single post.
No. Hatcher will start. Hopefully he hasnt derailed himself from what i thought was going to be a huuuuge breakout year for him. One more mistake from him, however, and he should be kicked off the team. Been in trouble since he stepped on campus. Always talks a big game about being a changed person but obviously now we can see that it's just talk.
Duh, no. Far from miserable. Just take issue with the win-at-all-cost fans, which you seem to be, who want to change the concept of scholar-athlete to athlete-scholar and those who want to criticize other programs while turning a blind eye to the missteps of their own program.
It amazes me that some fans don't realize how good Hatcher is? What he lacks, is discipline and consistency, but how could you not notice the amazing plays he made last season? He is obviously about as talented as they come at that position. It's not like he got burned a lot either. There were just times he was out of position or made the wrong read, but the guy is a freaking monster, and if he reads the play correctly, is almost assuredly going to halt any offense in their tracks. We need him back, and yes, he will start, unless one of the other guys is all SEC and we haven't realized it yet. I just hope he can get it together off the field.
As for Stoops consistency, he's not as hard on his best players because he needs them...but he also knows he needs to be hard enough to send a message. It's not a perfect science, but as a parent, I don't treat both of my children the same. Not cause I'm being unfair, but because I know each of their individual tendencies, and what may or may not work in each individual case is different for both of them. I imagine Stoops, or any HC, has to apply a similar philosophy to coaching. And as a football coach, you want to give the impression of being a disciplinarian without really being as hard as you act. You almost have to psyche these kids into behaving.
And weep no more, c'mon man! UL:'s players punch women, sell heroin to cheerleaders, and even team up on their own teamates in the locker room and beat them close to death....Our guys shot a freakin BB gun off and got jumped by some players with little brother complexes. DO you have any sense of gravity to compare our players discipline issues to that of the Dirty Birds???
As for Stoops consistency, he's not as hard on his best players because he needs them...but he also knows he needs to be hard enough to send a message. It's not a perfect science, but as a parent, I don't treat both of my children the same. Not cause I'm being unfair, but because I know each of their individual tendencies, and what may or may not work in each individual case is different for both of them. I imagine Stoops, or any HC, has to apply a similar philosophy to coaching. And as a football coach, you want to give the impression of being a disciplinarian without really being as hard as you act. You almost have to psyche these kids into behaving.
And weep no more, c'mon man! UL:'s players punch women, sell heroin to cheerleaders, and even team up on their own teamates in the locker room and beat them close to death....Our guys shot a freakin BB gun off and got jumped by some players with little brother complexes. DO you have any sense of gravity to compare our players discipline issues to that of the Dirty Birds???
You have to be a UL fan.
What did Barker do to deserve to be suspended? He and some friends went around with some air soft and was shooting crap. That's a speech of you should no better in this day and age. The next time he got In the news was him getting sucker punched. How do you think he needs to be bench based on that? He broke no laws nor did anything wrong. Might of been stupid but he paid the price of that.
I can tell with your tone you have a disdain for the program.
While I agree that the actions of the UL players were much worse and should be prosecuted in a court of law, both Barker and Hatcher have received second chances, for Hatcher it's his third offense. But to met out minor punishments, and yes I consider a two-game suspension as minor for a third offense and BTW I believe Barker was a participant in the infamous barroom brawl in Richmond in case you weren't aware and had no business in the EKU dorm when he was sucker punched, is just as inappropriate as what UL and others have failed to do.
Also, IMHO, situational discipline based on how much a coach needs a player is just plain wrong and sends the wrong message to the player's teammates. I believe star player and walkon practice player should be held to the same standard and disciplined in the same manner for similar offenses. If that makes me naive and old fashioned in today's world, well I guess I'm guilty and proud to be.
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Definitely "guilty" of being a UL fan, except when they play UK, Morehead State (my undergrad alma mater) and Marshall (local team). Having said that, I definitely wish their program had more integrity!
If I'm not mistaken, Barker and his companions ran from the authorities when confronted, always a bad decision (They could have been shot as in a recent case in South Carolina.), which led to an expensive and embarrassing lockdown of the University. As you should be aware, the incident in Richmond was far more than Barker being sucker punched. IMHO, athletes representing UK and receiving a free education should be held to a higher standard. To be essentially given a pass for two offenses bringing embarrassment to UK, whether against the law or not, is unacceptable and deserves at a minimum a multi-game suspension.
And I certainly do not have a disdain for the program. I have been a fan, in all likelihood, since before you were born and was a season ticket holder from the year Commonwealth Stadium opened through the 2009 season.
Wow, you need a beer man.. breathe, relax.
Trying to compare any of these incidents to things like rape, selling heroin, domestic abuse etc etc is an absolutely ridiculous take.
If these actions offend you so much, you really shouldn't be a fan of the team because KIDS, which they are, do things A LOT worse every day.. mistakes are part of growing up. Luckily ours have commited very minor mistakes. Mistakes that probably would have been dealt with with extra laps after practice if they had not been made public BECAUSE THEY WERE MINOR INFRACTIONS.
Im guessing you're the guy in your neighborhood that the kids love to play ding dong ditch and maybe like to toilet paper Your yard because everyone sees you as an uptight ********.. GET OFF MY LAWN, YA HOOLIGANS
Someone order this man a beer, bowl of sticky and a polishing of his...
Ignore function folks don't let miserable posters ruin the discussions here for you unnecessarily
Stoops says Hatcher is not getting first or second string snaps in practice, but is currently doing everything right. It is clear Stoops does not like to heap praise on Jason. I believe that is because Stoops does not yet trust Jason.
Jabari is poor the pass w/o question but is strongest on the run.
Ware is the wildcard...will he be able to hold up vs. the rushing game...his forte is quickness of the edge in pass rush.
So to me...it sounds like Ware/Jabari may be best in situation/platoon on one side and I'd like to see Hatcher as main
Ware is the wildcard...will he be able to hold up vs. the rushing game...his forte is quickness of the edge in pass rush.
So to me...it sounds like Ware/Jabari may be best in situation/platoon on one side and I'd like to see Hatcher as main
Hatcher is the starter come game 3. He's getting snaps in practice and by all accounts has been a beast. He's just getting less snaps while being suspended.
I don't agree with people on the internet who proselytize about the proper punishment a player deserves when the player's offense is not even known. That to me seems to be more about establishing their high ethical persona than effective teaching young men ethical behavior.
I'm all for discipline and think it is necessary in all walks of life but when a person pontificates about hypothetical situations and deserved punishment instead of fact, a little self-discipline on their part seems to me to be in order.
I'm all for discipline and think it is necessary in all walks of life but when a person pontificates about hypothetical situations and deserved punishment instead of fact, a little self-discipline on their part seems to me to be in order.
the fact is no one knows what punishment Barker received but you can bet he WAS disciplined. Since he's not playing, you can't suspend him from a game or something.
Sorry but the airsoft gun thing has been blown way out of proportion because of the recent shootings, which I understand. But you have to understand they were just horsing around and not trying to hurt anyone. The EKU thing was stupid but not sure how being sucker punched is in anyway his fault, other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Hatcher has had 2 incidents, I don't know about the 3rd. And we don't know what he did, perhaps it's something that another guy would just get some internal discipline but because Hatcher is on a short leash he is given more stringent punishment.
Overall we've got very good, high character kids. I'm not ready to throw these kids away because of these little things.
Sorry but the airsoft gun thing has been blown way out of proportion because of the recent shootings, which I understand. But you have to understand they were just horsing around and not trying to hurt anyone. The EKU thing was stupid but not sure how being sucker punched is in anyway his fault, other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Hatcher has had 2 incidents, I don't know about the 3rd. And we don't know what he did, perhaps it's something that another guy would just get some internal discipline but because Hatcher is on a short leash he is given more stringent punishment.
Overall we've got very good, high character kids. I'm not ready to throw these kids away because of these little things.
What is it that Barker and Hatcher did that makes you think one more strike and you're out? You do realize you compared them to a rapist, don't you? That is ridiculous.
Yes Hatcher will start at his position becasue Hatcher plays the Jack, whereas Ware and Johnson play the Sam. Walker is Hatcher's backup.
Maybe because you don't really know what team rules Hatcher broke, you shouldn't form unfounded opinions. Plus if you have or ever have kids, and they only do what Barker has done, you will be a very lucky Dad.
Does anybody else find it comical that his username is "WeepNoMore", but he's crying throughout the entire thread?
Neither of those guys are currently running with the ones or twos. Ware and Jabari are getting many of Jason's minutes by alignment.
I was wanting to know if you was going to take back your judgmental comments about Stoops that were totally off base and wrong. And you know they were as well. It may be a different discussion for another day if you are a UL fan (I'm sure you are) but I was wanting to know ur thoughts on Stoops kicking off such a talented prospect off the team? And what players do you want him to kick off next? I'm sure you have a list of em which prob would be every one of our talented guys.
I can feel the fear from you guys 400 miles away.
Hatcher is an every down OLB. Ware's specialty is the pass-rush (this season) while Jabari is a pure run-stopper. So, yeah, no doubt Hatcher gets his starting job back.
Hatcher has not been an every down backer to this point. It will be interesting to see if he is in game three.
Discipline and punishment are not synonyms. As a school admin of 24-25 years, a father of 4 and a family counselor (new career), I've learned that discipline should be sufficient to change undesireable behavior. When I became principal of my first school, I wanted a discipline code that listed every possible inappropriate behavior (shows how stupid I was to even think I could do so) and set consequences for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd offenses. There would be no questions asked, no consideration of circumstances; no consideration relative to what was necessary to change a kid's behavior, etc......just set in stone consequences. The wisest mentor I ever had smiled and said to me" Procedures like this are for lazy administrators who want to hide behind policies " IMO, he was right.
As a parent, administrator, coach, etc... the goal is never to punish but to do what is necessary to change behavior. It may take a suspension to get to one kid while it may take a slap on the wrist to get to another. Stoops is paid huge money to make these tough decisions. Any kid that would say "Well I can go out and get into a bar fight....I'm only gonna get a slap on the wrist" would be the type kid that needed a different type consequence.
The purpose of dads, coaches, teachers, etc.... is to lead kids the right way and change behaviors that are undesireable. Discipline does that. Punishment results in only temporary changes. Maybe Stoops is more interested in making a life-long impression than just keeping them eligible. If so, I applaud him.
As a parent, administrator, coach, etc... the goal is never to punish but to do what is necessary to change behavior. It may take a suspension to get to one kid while it may take a slap on the wrist to get to another. Stoops is paid huge money to make these tough decisions. Any kid that would say "Well I can go out and get into a bar fight....I'm only gonna get a slap on the wrist" would be the type kid that needed a different type consequence.
The purpose of dads, coaches, teachers, etc.... is to lead kids the right way and change behaviors that are undesireable. Discipline does that. Punishment results in only temporary changes. Maybe Stoops is more interested in making a life-long impression than just keeping them eligible. If so, I applaud him.
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