frank martin
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Only a cat fan would remember a missed block out thirty years after it happened (and it did)
Gillispie the worst I've ever heard ... ask any of his UK players.
Cal's no choirboy. As we saw today.
Cal's no choirboy. As we saw today.
Yeah. The Terrence Jones thing was all over ESPN the next day. Sports center, PTI, around the horn and on the ticker.
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You're exactly right about that! Been watching for over 50 years now. That loss was particularly bad since I had seats at mid court in Rupp about 10 rows from the floor. Bobby Lee Hurt pushed everyone around all night and UK had no answer.
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Norm Sloan was really bad as well. He created obscenities that made the bathroom wall of a Gulf station restroom look lame.
Using foul language does nothing to make him a good coach. Its disgusting to hear a coach swear at his players in attempt to teach our youth. I have never had anyone to explain to me how anything positive comes from using foul language.
In my opinion it is a weakness on their part when foul language is used to get their message across. I don't believe it is a requirement of the job.
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Coaches at this level dont give a rats ass what someone thinks about their language. Coach K is the WORST at this, and cal isn't far behind. These young men today come from some very harsh backgrounds. They don't understand soft language and teddy bears. Josh Pastner doesn't curse, and the respect of his players sits at negative zero.
High school level? I might get it. MIGHT. or at least to an extent.
18 and up, pros, etc...... No sir.
UK put Martin's ass on the bench in the early 2nd, he knew we had them beat.
I understand the coaches evidently don't care, but the players are there to learn aren't they? How anyone knows the players do not respect Pastner because he doesn't curse is amazing.
Because they have flat out said it. He even gets made fun of by former players for his language.
I get where you're coming from and in most situations in life foul language is pretty unnecessary. My grandmother always taught me it's used when someone doesn't have a proper vocabulary. I love my grandmama.....
In sports, especially high level sports, foul language is literally a part of the game. And let me add, let's end this myth that lots of these college athletes today are "innocent children". Where I coach, the players use worse language than we do. Do you understand what these young men are listening to? Trust me, 80% of them wouldn't understand it any other way.
Like it said, high school, we should hold back somewhat. This level is what it is. And these players aren't the Beaver.
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I don't know but he has to be trailing Boeheim.
I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with your suggestion that that 80% would not understand it any other way. I do not think it is necessary in any situation. I would think the coaches could help them to understand. After all they are going to school.
If using foul language had any advantages, I could see your point but it doesn't. Anyway we can agree to disagree.
You've obviously never spent any time in an infantry company. The F' word is part of standard operating procedure. A person with a red face, arms flinging, more rank than you, and the word being used every two seconds is usually a good indicator that you might want to get your shit straight.
I've always been of the opinion that when you sign your life away by either willingly joining the military or an extra curricular activity like a sport you are also willingly allowing yourself to be subject to things the average person isn't. Being yelled at, run until you puked, cussed at, told from time to time how worthless of an individual you are is just part of it. If being scratched behind the ear and patted behind the back with the presentation of a participation trophy is your motivator in life then coaches like Frank Martin are those you want to steer clear of.
when I went to bootcamp, I swear every other word was F. I never f'in got over it.
Everyone has an opinion and you made yours very clear, however you still haven't responded to my comment about how anything positive comes from using foul language.
My opinion is that if you have to use that type language to get people to listen you don't have much to say thats worthwhile anyway. If there were advantages to using it, why are they not teaching it in school? Evidently it did not help Frank Martin motivate his players yesterday.
UK players had only 2 minutes of it. 38 without, so I see no advantage of it at all. jmho
Nit picking but I thought cal said "don't be a ........." Or "you are playing like a ......."
It's like when someone's says "stop acting like a dick". (That is constructive criticism) VS "you're a dick"(thems fightin words)
John Wooden won 8 Titles and reputedly never swore. Of course Sam Gilbert cheated and Wooden benefitted from that but he won without cursing. He even taught his players how to put on their socks correctly. A coach can command respect and even control without cursing. Having said that, I don't think it's a big deal today as long as the players understand that you are trying to help them and are smart enough to help them. Therein lies the difference between Cal and Pastner.
All due respect to your gramma, I'm sure she's a treasure, but she's wrong about that.
The poverty of vocabulary myth
I can take or leave the language, and I love strong discipline for young men like this. What I *don't* like is abuse, but that's a bit subjective. I think some of the coaches are a bit over the top to point of being abusive, but how much a person can take is very much an individual thing. Some kids can handle it and some can't. Only that person knows where his line is.
Remember when Lou Henson called Bob Knight "a classic bully" after they had a run-in after am IU/UI game? It took me years to figure out what that meant, but I think I understand now. Knight was indeed a "classic bully". There's a difference between discipline and abuse, and Knight crossed that line too many times to count. I haven't heard reports of Martin crossing that line. Perhaps he has, but until it becomes clear, I'll just say he is an EXTREMELY intense coach with a colorful vocabulary.
Remember when Lou Henson called Bob Knight "a classic bully" after they had a run-in after am IU/UI game? It took me years to figure out what that meant, but I think I understand now. Knight was indeed a "classic bully". There's a difference between discipline and abuse, and Knight crossed that line too many times to count. I haven't heard reports of Martin crossing that line. Perhaps he has, but until it becomes clear, I'll just say he is an EXTREMELY intense coach with a colorful vocabulary.
Eh....there is probably some vilidity to that finding, but I'd rather use my life experience. Unless something intense is involved, most people using foul language on a constant basis seem to me to be more uneducated. Prisons are full of foul language, professors holding a masters in literary English are less inclined.
Ok. I mean... It was those literary types you mentioned that did the research, but we'll go with your findings over theirs.
Sometimes it's based on the situation and surrounding and sometimes it's used to get the message across. Nothing tells you to get your head out of your butt like someone who normally is calm and collected cussing a blue streak and in your face. Trust me, it works with some people. I've had to do it and I've had it done to me. What we get taught in school is how to appropriately act in a general setting at a dinner table with women and children present. There is a difference in what is acceptable in a locker room versus a phone conversation with your mother.
I know very highly educated individuals who curse more than a prisoner. The difference is knowing where and when not too. Looker room talk versus ball room talk. I've seen the foulest mouth soldiers lock up and sound like English Literature professors when they cross through the doors of a place of worship.
It isn't the indicator of level of education you think it is.
Do you have trouble understanding heir findings? You need to read it again nowhere does it state anything as scientific fact. It doesn't take a genius to understand the language condition. Is it all one way or the other? Well hell no. But someone walking about cursing like a damn sailor that isn't sports or military/intensive position related typically has the education of a gnat.
You're not changing anyone's mind on it. You think bad language doesn't ever mean uneducated. Got it.
Good god. No one is saying that. Learn straw man and come back.
Btw, that ridiculous name is Exaclty what zipp would want. Great recognition for his hard work. Try again.
Well... They did research the thing and publish their results. I don't know what scientific fact is if it's not researching something, getting definitive results on a repeatable experiment, then publishing those results.
You're arguing against actual research and inserting absurd conclusions into my mouth. The fact is research was done on the exact thing you did and the conclusion was the opposite of what you said. People who use colorful language tend to have a larger vocabulary. No amount of insinuating insults will change that fact.
Yet that's what you said in post 64. BTW, you can go **** yourself. I'll use whatever name I feel like. Pound sand.
If you were as smart as you think you are you would know that someone knocking on your door isn't a valid excuse for self defense. Smooches and chomps sweetheart.
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