This would be great!
I don't like Ball and I'm not buying all the hype about how good he will be in the NBA.
I don't like Ball and I'm not buying all the hype about how good he will be in the NBA.
Fox vs. Ball for Lakers' # 2 pick
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Ball wants no part of that head to head matchup again unless they are rap battling then maybe ball wins ha
Lonzo Ball has terrific size, vision, feel and IQ for the game. He's great in transition, and even though his shot is ugly, he's a good three point shooter.
But I'm just not sure how he scores at the NBA level. His jumper is so slow and awkward that he has no midrange or pull-up game because he can't get that shot off, and he isn't good enough off the dribble in the halfcourt to get to the rim.
He also hasn't shown the ability to defend man-to-man. His length and IQ make him good in the passing lanes, but I'm not sure he can get low and stay in front of an NBA PG.
His size gives you versatility there, as you can play him alongside a combo guard and let them guard the 1, so maybe it's not an issue.
None of that even considers the potential headache of drafting him and being stuck with Lavar for the length of that rookie contract.
Fox has questions too. What about the jumper? What about his thin frame? What about his ability to hold up for 82 games? What about his vision and passing as a true PG?
But as a Lakers fan, I know who I want at 2.
But I'm just not sure how he scores at the NBA level. His jumper is so slow and awkward that he has no midrange or pull-up game because he can't get that shot off, and he isn't good enough off the dribble in the halfcourt to get to the rim.
He also hasn't shown the ability to defend man-to-man. His length and IQ make him good in the passing lanes, but I'm not sure he can get low and stay in front of an NBA PG.
His size gives you versatility there, as you can play him alongside a combo guard and let them guard the 1, so maybe it's not an issue.
None of that even considers the potential headache of drafting him and being stuck with Lavar for the length of that rookie contract.
Fox has questions too. What about the jumper? What about his thin frame? What about his ability to hold up for 82 games? What about his vision and passing as a true PG?
But as a Lakers fan, I know who I want at 2.
Fox owned Ball both times he played against him. I'd take Fox but the Lakers will take Ball.
If I'm the Lakers, and offer for them to go at it, if either rejects the offer, then the other player is the one I WANT. I don't want a guy who will back away from competition.
This would not be a good idea for Ball. Fox can be a lock down defender if he wants to be. Fox is simply too fast on offense as well for Ball to try and keep him in front of him if they went 1 on 1. If you are asking who can run a team better, that is TBD.
I think this will be it too. LA will get caught up in the media storm. That would then push Fox to Philly, which I think is the better place anyways with that young talent, if healthy.
LA already has a bunch of guys who are scoring oriented and need to get their touches.
Lonzo is a type of dude like Rajon and Jason Kid in that he can be effective with out scoring. He can have a seemingly quite night but when you look at his line he's got 12 assists and 10 rbs.
Fox is a baller, but if he isn't attacking the basket at break neck speed and converting then he isn't quite as valuable to a team like the lakers who don't necessarily need scoring talent in the back court.
I think Fox would be a better fit places like NY, Philly, and NO. All three have young but established franchise pieces in the Front court, but need some pop and excitement in the back court.
Philly especially needs an upgrade at PG. I mean their entire back court leaves a lot to be desired, I couldn't tell you who they are.
NY can't rely on Rose long term, Porzingis and Fox gives you two stars 21 and under who could hold it down for 12 years.
Jrue Holiday is solid but he's a free agent come july and even if he stays he could use some help. Fox could provide some nice pop off the bench and overall upgrade in back court talent. If Jrue Bounces, Fox + a free agent shooter + Boog + AD = fun times ahead for NO.
Lonzo is a type of dude like Rajon and Jason Kid in that he can be effective with out scoring. He can have a seemingly quite night but when you look at his line he's got 12 assists and 10 rbs.
Fox is a baller, but if he isn't attacking the basket at break neck speed and converting then he isn't quite as valuable to a team like the lakers who don't necessarily need scoring talent in the back court.
I think Fox would be a better fit places like NY, Philly, and NO. All three have young but established franchise pieces in the Front court, but need some pop and excitement in the back court.
Philly especially needs an upgrade at PG. I mean their entire back court leaves a lot to be desired, I couldn't tell you who they are.
NY can't rely on Rose long term, Porzingis and Fox gives you two stars 21 and under who could hold it down for 12 years.
Jrue Holiday is solid but he's a free agent come july and even if he stays he could use some help. Fox could provide some nice pop off the bench and overall upgrade in back court talent. If Jrue Bounces, Fox + a free agent shooter + Boog + AD = fun times ahead for NO.
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His dad will need immediate mental help if the Lakers don't take Lonzo.
Yep. He is an LA guy, and for some reason, it really doesn't matter about who is the best player, as long as Ball was left when the Lakers had the pick, they are going after him. Serves them right, since I don't care much for the Lakers, and less for Walton. Plus, they now will have the distraction of Lavar. I would be willing to bet that by next January, Bill Walton and Lavar Ball are at each other's throats.
LA seems like the kinda place who would love the media storm the Ball family creates. Probably love that more than the actual product on the court.
I don't like the Lakers, but I hope they take Fox just to piss off Daddy Ball.
Fox or Monk would be huge for the Pelicans.
So what are the Lakers going to do with D'Angelo Russell? Can he play SG?
Yes. He can play SG.
He plays off-ball quite a bit.
But, teams will try to pry Russell loose, as it's widely expected that the Lakers are going to deal either Russell, Randle, or Ingram in an attempt to get some veteran help.
Yeah. It already happened. Somebody send them the tape.
It has seemed like Magic Johnson has wanted Ball since he took the Lakers' job.
Pelinka will have a say and he actually probably has more at stake in this (career-wise) than Magic does.
It's entirely possible (as another poster alluded to) that Ball could go to LA, and Fox goes elsewhere, and both have great careers, given fit.
I would also argue that it's possible that Fox could go to LA, while Ball goes elsewhere, and either, or both, will struggle.
Fit is huge.
I think the fact that Ball chose UCLA and instantly made them contenders again, made the Lakers take early note and they will have a difficult time not drafting him given the chance.
Pelinka will have a say and he actually probably has more at stake in this (career-wise) than Magic does.
It's entirely possible (as another poster alluded to) that Ball could go to LA, and Fox goes elsewhere, and both have great careers, given fit.
I would also argue that it's possible that Fox could go to LA, while Ball goes elsewhere, and either, or both, will struggle.
Fit is huge.
I think the fact that Ball chose UCLA and instantly made them contenders again, made the Lakers take early note and they will have a difficult time not drafting him given the chance.
Ball's 'rapping' is pure trash I feel like fox could just speak words and and win that battle.
Aftter Lavar's constant blabbing about Lonzo ONLY going to the Laker, if the Lakers have this chance to take Ball and they choose Fox (or anyone else really) I would laugh until my ass literally fell off.
Magic Johnson, as well as being a fantastic all time pro, with several rings, is a very smart man.
He won't, I don't think, succumb to Ball , just cause he is an LA guy, IMO.
Also, he probably is very wary of Ball's dad, the DRAMA QUEEN.
I don't know how much power he actually has in his position, but is kniwn for not making unfounded or knee jerk decisions.
If the Lakers take Ball, I believe he will be veted pretty well by Magic.
Then time will tell, if what looks like a duck is one or not.
He won't, I don't think, succumb to Ball , just cause he is an LA guy, IMO.
Also, he probably is very wary of Ball's dad, the DRAMA QUEEN.
I don't know how much power he actually has in his position, but is kniwn for not making unfounded or knee jerk decisions.
If the Lakers take Ball, I believe he will be veted pretty well by Magic.
Then time will tell, if what looks like a duck is one or not.
Does anyone else see the similarities in these 2 pictures?
NOLA needs shooters, badly. (Can never have enough shooters...)
Doubt Fox lands there.
Everything about Fox is better than Ball.
Should be a no brainier.
Should be a no brainier.
I fully expect that Fox will be a very good shooter in the NBA. Great rotation and lefties always seem to shoot well. I'd take Fox but may be just a bit biased.
New Orleans has no first round pick. But I guess if Fox and/or Monk fall to the 40th pick, WOW COULD YOU IMAGINE!
I bet Magic sees a lot of himself in Ball. Great size, good ball handler, decent shooter, mediocre defense, but otherworldly vision / passing. I think Fox will be a really good player but I don't think he's what the Lakers / Magic are looking for. Ball to Lakers but having to deal with his Dad is gonna suck until his kids tell him to GTH.
I'm not an NBA GM, but I know who I would rather have. Ball is good, but Fox is better. I watched both plenty this season, obviously Fox more, but I saw enough to know.
These are some quotes from West Coast Lakers fans (I know that these are Californians) regarding Ball/Fox:
Fox doesn't have a jump shot, a multitude of flaws and is getting overhyped now cause he had a good game against UCLA.
Fox was barely higher than 7th before the UCLA game and there was a reason for that, and all those reasons are still there.
But he's one of the many that get overhyped due to tournament play and their weaknesses suddenly glossed over.
Don't fall for it.
Fox doesn't have anywhere NEAR the polish Ball has in any aspect of the game. Fox is rated as highly as he is because of his speed, athleticism and potential, not his current talent/skill level. (This guy is from South Carolina).
Can't judge a players full body of work based upon one game.
He (Ball) did a terrible job defending the pick and roll there and should have made the adjustment of going under rather than over.
He (Ball) played defense, the Wildcats just faired extremely well off the high pick and roll and UCLA as a team didn't make the proper adjustments. I'd take Ball over Fox 10/10 as would any other GM or basketball mind.
Fox shot 24% from the 3-point range. He has a glorified Elfrid Payton written all over him. While I think he has a greater basketball IQ and much more speed, he's simply not that great of a prospect. Kriss Dunn out of college last year was a better prospect and even had a better shot/athleticism.
Fox is the worst shooter out of all the guards in this draft class (Top 15, maybe even top 30).
Having Ball and sliding Russell to his natural position will be something Magic and Pelinka want to see.
Russell will no longer have to guard quicker point guards, and Ball is an oversized point guard with solid foot speed and defensive ability.
Seems like it can certainly work in my eyes.
For all those people who want Fox. Petition Magic to call the Kings and trade the 2nd pick for the 5th and 10th. I assure you Fox will still be on the board and that Vlade takes that deal in a heartbeat.
I prefer Fox over ball tbh. Seems more ready in the near term handling the PG duties and is a better rounded player than Ball.
but Im ok with whatever direction the management is going..
I'm not an avid college bball fan but thats just my two cents..
He (Ball) has tremendous size and length at the 1 guard position. Read any scouting report and you'll see the praise he gets on that end of the floor.
He also averaged more steals and blocks than Fox.
Considering you aren't an avid college fan I'm assuming the you watched the Kentucky vs. UCLA game and are basing your claim off that game?
Don't get me wrong. Fox is a good player, but he's nowhere near the player Ball is.
I think Lonzo is easy to defend can't shoot and not a scorer, can't get the the basket. Pass pass and pass. Soon, they're going to figure him out easily in this league
You're saying Lonzo can't shoot but have been advocating for Fox, a 24% 3-Point shooter in college...
He's not a scorer but is certainly a great floor general with great size, athleticism, and a solid deep range stroke.
The guy sitting on the stage tonight representing the Lakers and waiting for the Lottery results was a terrible shooter and loved to "pass, pass, and pass". His name is Magic Johnson.
Plus Ball makes the players on this roster better. He's done that at every level. In a system that is very similar to the one at Chino Hills and UCLA, the transition will be a lot easier...and what we need and ask of him will be easier to understand communicate. AND he's the BPA at #2...
1-on-1, Ball is an excellent defender. Also as a team defender, he plays the passing lanes well and has good length and quick hands. I think any knock on him may be attributed to his team and a lack of emphasis on that end.
Fox doesn't have a jump shot, a multitude of flaws and is getting overhyped now cause he had a good game against UCLA.
Fox was barely higher than 7th before the UCLA game and there was a reason for that, and all those reasons are still there.
But he's one of the many that get overhyped due to tournament play and their weaknesses suddenly glossed over.
Don't fall for it.
Fox doesn't have anywhere NEAR the polish Ball has in any aspect of the game. Fox is rated as highly as he is because of his speed, athleticism and potential, not his current talent/skill level. (This guy is from South Carolina).
Can't judge a players full body of work based upon one game.
He (Ball) did a terrible job defending the pick and roll there and should have made the adjustment of going under rather than over.
He (Ball) played defense, the Wildcats just faired extremely well off the high pick and roll and UCLA as a team didn't make the proper adjustments. I'd take Ball over Fox 10/10 as would any other GM or basketball mind.
Fox shot 24% from the 3-point range. He has a glorified Elfrid Payton written all over him. While I think he has a greater basketball IQ and much more speed, he's simply not that great of a prospect. Kriss Dunn out of college last year was a better prospect and even had a better shot/athleticism.
Fox is the worst shooter out of all the guards in this draft class (Top 15, maybe even top 30).
Having Ball and sliding Russell to his natural position will be something Magic and Pelinka want to see.
Russell will no longer have to guard quicker point guards, and Ball is an oversized point guard with solid foot speed and defensive ability.
Seems like it can certainly work in my eyes.
For all those people who want Fox. Petition Magic to call the Kings and trade the 2nd pick for the 5th and 10th. I assure you Fox will still be on the board and that Vlade takes that deal in a heartbeat.
I prefer Fox over ball tbh. Seems more ready in the near term handling the PG duties and is a better rounded player than Ball.
but Im ok with whatever direction the management is going..
I'm not an avid college bball fan but thats just my two cents..
He (Ball) has tremendous size and length at the 1 guard position. Read any scouting report and you'll see the praise he gets on that end of the floor.
He also averaged more steals and blocks than Fox.
Considering you aren't an avid college fan I'm assuming the you watched the Kentucky vs. UCLA game and are basing your claim off that game?
Don't get me wrong. Fox is a good player, but he's nowhere near the player Ball is.
I think Lonzo is easy to defend can't shoot and not a scorer, can't get the the basket. Pass pass and pass. Soon, they're going to figure him out easily in this league
You're saying Lonzo can't shoot but have been advocating for Fox, a 24% 3-Point shooter in college...
He's not a scorer but is certainly a great floor general with great size, athleticism, and a solid deep range stroke.
The guy sitting on the stage tonight representing the Lakers and waiting for the Lottery results was a terrible shooter and loved to "pass, pass, and pass". His name is Magic Johnson.
Plus Ball makes the players on this roster better. He's done that at every level. In a system that is very similar to the one at Chino Hills and UCLA, the transition will be a lot easier...and what we need and ask of him will be easier to understand communicate. AND he's the BPA at #2...
1-on-1, Ball is an excellent defender. Also as a team defender, he plays the passing lanes well and has good length and quick hands. I think any knock on him may be attributed to his team and a lack of emphasis on that end.
I wouldn't want anything related to LaVar Ball. A guy who simply talks.....a boxer with a glass jaw.
Here's LaVar's comments after Fox dropped 39 on him: "LaVar also told Fowler that Lonzo “popped his hamstring” in the loss".
Fox would take over that Laker franchise in quick fashion. He has a Magic type personality and would be a terrific spokesman for a young team. He already has that young team leader experience.
Fox at 2, and that bad looking jumper Ball brings with him drops below, allowing Philly or Phoenix to get another asset for a team wanting Ball. Do you really want that bad looking jumper?
Dad is going to cost his son some serious money before this is over.
Here's LaVar's comments after Fox dropped 39 on him: "LaVar also told Fowler that Lonzo “popped his hamstring” in the loss".
Fox would take over that Laker franchise in quick fashion. He has a Magic type personality and would be a terrific spokesman for a young team. He already has that young team leader experience.
Fox at 2, and that bad looking jumper Ball brings with him drops below, allowing Philly or Phoenix to get another asset for a team wanting Ball. Do you really want that bad looking jumper?
Dad is going to cost his son some serious money before this is over.
If I were the Lakers GM....and I am a Lakers fan....this would be my off-season dream. Draft Fox at 2. Trade russell and their 28th pick in the first round to move up in the top 20 to pick luke kennard. I would sign Gordon Hayward and nerlens Noel in free agency. I would to role out a starting 5 of Fox at 1, Hayward at 2, Ingram at 3, Randle at 4 and Noel at 5. Kennard for extra shooting of the bench. Also be in great position to sign Paul George and demarcus cousins in 18. Would still have Clarkson and some other nice bench prices.
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