Forde says that Higgins was not responsible for all of the bad calls. Why, then, is he the only official that people are going after? And, if he himself wanted to "fix" the game or "cheat" UK out of the game, why were all of the bad calls in the first half? UK nearly came back and won the game at the end so it seems like he would have "fixed" the game at the end too.
Forde to Higgins rescue...
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Yet you don't give a second thought as to how it has affected this coaching staff or the players. I quite frankly find that more disturbing.
What did the players and Cal ever do to him? He put himself in this position and decided to affect the lives of those people. These were conscious decisions in games to alter the fairness of the contest. And you mention keep him from officiating- does that not affect his income? His family who depends on him?
Where was his outrage when a University in the city that he lives in, was rolling out prostitutes and coaches were paying for their services. I mean where is the outrage over this? Why no call as Rick Bozich did, fired either way if you knew of scheme or not. It is deadly silence and you are worried about an official that has directly not indirectly cost UK and Cal 3 NC"s, easily could say he has been as instrumental in 3 losses as any opponent or head coach or player.
The guy was getting lit up during the game by non UK fans, fans of other teams. This is about nothing. No death threats but honestly could care less what UK fans do as long as it's funny and creative. He is a POS.
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The guy was getting lit up during the game by non UK fans, fans of other teams. This is about nothing. No death threats but honestly could care less what UK fans do as long as it's funny and creative. He is a POS.
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Few things are more lame of a cop out than the pretense thar even and fair are the same thing.
Nobody is talking notches but rather the job done.
Does it not take energy and effort emotional, physical, and mental to climb out of a hole dug for us?
Does salting us in the first half present the possibility of getting down hill on the opposition and perhaps not even being in a close game?
Do fouls not carry over to the second half?
We were put to a competitive disadvantage. Period. Stop making lame excuses and simplistic thinking.
The world does not run on straight line cause and effect. All actions have costs and consequences.
this article actually pissed me off worse than the officiating. why is this fool still on yahoo sports?
The hell it's not. The fans are the only ones willing to hold assholes like him accountable. You talk about people attacking him like he's done nothing wrong. The guy sucks as an official, not just now but for years, he obviously has an agenda whether anybody wants to admit it or not and how his business suffers because of his own transgressions mean jacksquat to me. I didn't miss call, or make crap calls or let my personal feeling affect a job I freely went into. He had responsibilities to all involved to do the job to the best of his ability in a full and impartial way. He chose not to, he suffers, end of story. If his business acumen is akin to his reffing abilities, the business probably sucks anyways. As for all of the articles laying out there saying this and that? F em, they were always out there hating so what they say means jack. I'm still waiting on the one writer out there with big enough balls to do a little investigative work and expose this clown for what he is.
Pat Forde can't hack it as a real sports writer so back to beating on the Cats and sucking Jurich.....it's a living
It's a game, the players will play more games and they didn't lose any more, unless they bet on UK. Cal may have lost a bonus but its insignificant to his total income.
That doesn't justify trying to ruin a man's livelihood. Period, that's why Cal asked for it to stop and it's why media everywhere is picking up this story. It's not because they are jealous of UK (incredibly stupid idea) it's because the behavior is disgraceful.
It's not just a game. And the players don't play anymore. The season is finished. And that bonus may have gone in his foundation to help his charity causes. You can try to spin this anyway you want- Higgins brought this on himself by making conscious decisions to affect the outcome of games. It's wrong and he deserves the consequences of his actions.
Look you mental midget, the consequences for his actions should affect his refereeing career, not his roofing business. Any other view is sad and pathetic.
The players will play more games, maybe not this season, but they will. Cal can raise as much money for charity as he wants, without even really blinking an eye. But those points are moot because they aren't trying to damage the dudes business, only fans. The only thing fans suffered was not being able to see their team play another weekend, INSIGNIFICANT.
I should stop, but I'll keep arguing with you all day just because the mental hoops you jump through to try to justify these actions are hilarious and on the same intellectual level as a child arguing with his parents.
The only one who is a moron is you. You lack basic intelligence which is truly evident by your posting history. You have no clue how much he makes in his roofing business. His greatest source of income may be his ref job. And you have no idea if his roofing business has been affected at all. He may not lose $5 in business. Can your pea size grasp that concept? No it can't.
Doesn't matter why...he is and he's just a drop in the bucket of sports journalists that anyone with half a brain would have known would make some hay out of the ridiculous Higgins social media bombing and death threats.
In another thread....way back when this silly crap began, I wondered why so many UK fans here were incapable of playing the tape forward and seeing how this was going to play out. Knowing and understanding how Forde (and others) is, this minority group of UK fans tee'd him up, practically begged him to bash us.
I hope you guys enjoyed your short term emotional crack hit...because the long term consequences are going to keep rolling in BTW...for the nutjobs that were part of the silly crap and refuse to read the OP's link....you should be tied to a chair and have your eyes taped open and forced to read it all day....you made it, you own it.
The fact that you think his income from his roofing business, or whether or not that was affected, is even relevant shows how sad you are. Surely you're continuing this argument out of some twisted competitive thing, because there is no way that anyone can think this stuff is truly justifiable.
This is how things roll for Post-Millennials...this "occupy-xyz" mentality is how they respond. To them...this is totally acceptable.
I blame the Millennial parents...these helicopter "everyone wins a trophy" parents created these entitled snowflake crybully's.
The man was not hurt. No one threw bricks through his windows. No one let his dog out of his back yard. They just went after him online because this is the THIRD got damn time the man has ended a promising season for us with his tired act. The NCAA won't do anything about it so this to me seems a pretty logical way for the fans to do something. Even Oscar Combs was raising red flags before the game when he saw Higgins was assigned to our game. Gonna go after your former boss, too, Forde?
I know you probably won't see it, but if this is your actual mindset, then there is something really wrong with you. Not just "hey this guy is a bad poster" wrong, but like your priorities and approach to life are completely screwed up.
Some leaders don't pay attention until there is violence. Not condoning it, just stating what some see to be the way things are.
I believe what Forde is trying to ask is why has the administration not come out and request the fans stop the volatile non-sense. And he was showing a pattern.
Society gets desensitized to poor behavior.
Think about the couch burning episodes. Several years back when WVU did it (that is the first one I remember), people laughed at how silly it was. Many pointed fingers and called them names. It has become almost the norm now and no one seems surprised when it happens.
The why is easy. He is mentioned and most people are willing to go along with the issue rather than decide on their own.
The question I have is pretty much what Forde asked, why did we have the lead with 5 minutes left and not win.
Almost all of the complaining is about the first half. We overcame any poor officiating and took the lead. Was there poor officiating after we took the lead.
this is some of what the local ESPN radio host was saying yesterday as he and I "discussed" this on the air.
1. He thinks, like you do, it's telling that UK fans are only going after Higgins, and not Keith Kimble or Mike Reed. He thinks it shows inconsistency, and that they are simply blindly going after the one name they know. I think it's telling too, but in a different way. We know there were 3 guys, we're not stupid. But the other two don't have a history of questionable calls in UK games. We are not painting everyone with the same broad brush, blindly - we are addressing the person who we think has a history that is questionable. That's a good thing, and it seems obvious to me.
2. He said, again like you, that we got ahead by the end - so how important was the first half work of Higgins - and also like you, why didn't it continue if there really was an agenda. On the first point, what happened in the first half amounted to spotting Carolina points. Is that OK? just because we overcame it, is it OK? Why not spot them 20, or 30? Should anyone every have to overcome that? As to the second point, as has been reported, the NCAA itself intervened at halftime. Which is a pretty good explanation as to why it didn't continue.
media bashing for ref bitching = level 5-10
media bashing for fake FB reviews + calls + death threats = level 100
Every fan base complains about ref's after a loss...it's a media nothing burger.
The first part doesn't make any sense. Fans are identifying several bad calls from the first half and blaming them on Higgins. But he didn't make all of the calls. Does his past "history" with UK mean that he should be blamed for calls he didn't even make?
The second point, I get. Bad officiating in the first half affects the second half. But my point was that some UK fans seem to believe that Higgins' bad calls were the product of an attempt by him (directed by the NCAA or some other big bad) to ensure that UNC won the game. If that is the case, then he should have made calls down the stretch to ensure that outcome. Because he didn't, he almost blew it.
I have no problem with fans criticizing officials - everyone does it. But I don't understand why Higgins has become a de facto "bogeyman", to blame for virtually everything bad that happens. As if he is the monolithic "NCAA" personified.
Sorry I didn't read but wondering it have the same slant as when he wrote about lil rickie and the hookers?
Forde too dumb to not see all of the no calls he should have made? Those also count dense Forde.
Took the dreams from a lot of UK players with the calls that were and were not made.Yes that is a big deal to those players.
Took the dream away from a lot of UK players over the past few years.This was not one game it was many.
Well, if you're telling me that some fans are being inconsistent, I might believe you. Heh
There's enough going on here that you have to parse some things.
1. Higgins has a history with Cal. After the 2011 and 2015 final fours, there's very little patience left to accept things as merely bad calls. We assume bad blood between he and Claipari to an extent that it impacts the game.
2. There were bad, impactful calls in the first half made by the other 2 guys. But, since there is no history, I think most simply assume it was plain old human error, no agenda, which of course is the category that swallows 99%+ of complaints about officiating.
3. Even tho you have 2 different things going on (perceived intentional bad calls by Higgins, innocent bad calls by other 2), since they all result to our detriment, we're gonna complain about it all.
4. Some folks are probably conflating all of that, or maybe don't even realize Higgins didn't make all the perceived bad calls.
Wow, that is a TALL reach. Anytime you are blaming refs, and blaming them to THAT magnitude, then you have lost big time.
