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For the QB bashers

I noticed throughout the week that a lot of the people who bash PT no matter what, we're also a lot of the same ones that were pulling for UGA because nice Saban is the devil, and didn't care that a UGA loss benefits UK.

So yes, a lot of these bashers are plain and simple, idiots.
 
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Like I said you don't know what you think you know. You are trying to set yourself above some pretty decent people here who have pretty darn good knowledge. All I know about you is what you write and when you write stuff like the OP pretending you have ubiquitous knowledge of every posters thoughts opinions and knowledge then you are a joke and don't realize it.

FYI this is the first thread I have posted on since coming back from the game so you sure in heck don't know what I think. It's on another thread in case you want to know what an asinine position you have taken in this thread. You must be very young.


I see your posts in HOB Levi. Stop it.

We played like crap, but won the game. People expect PT to be super QB he is not.

He played great at the end as did the rest of the team. No need to shit on the kid as bad as people are doing. If he is our QB then he warrants criticism at time but also praise.

Thanks for going to the game and staying.
 
Anybody that says I have advocated for Towles to be benched is a liar. I called Towles out for bad play but only when he played bad! I think Barker should be given some experience for good reason not because I hate Towles which is simply a dull and stupid position to take.

I'll take issue with those that tries to divide the fanbase into different camps because that is EXACTLY what happen to Hartline. An embarrassing time for UK football fans IMO.

For those that claim to understand what all the posters here think, they sure are off the mark. Now we get to see something about their character.
 
Anybody that says I have advocated for Towles to be benched is a liar. I called Towles out for bad play but only when he played bad! I think Barker should be given some experience for good reason not because I hate Towles which is simply a dull and stupid position to take.

I'll take issue with those that tries to divide the fanbase into different camps because that is EXACTLY what happen to Hartline. An embarrassing time for UK football fans IMO.

For those that claim to understand what all the posters here think, they sure are off the mark. Now we get to see something about their character.



I don't think you have ever stated to bench PT.

I think there is a huge difference in dividing the fans and trying to explain a position.

In fact I stated that I wrote this because I wasn't doing a good enough job of explaining my point of view.

I don't ever question your fanhood.
 
My Lord there are some true blue idiots.

First I self admit I was ready for Barker the second half but thank God they didn't because I don't believe he could have done what Patrick did the last quarter with zero experience.

1. We Won.
2. Patrick came through in the clutch and threw for 329 yards and 3 TDs on 66.7%.
3. We Won.

Was it Patrick's fault that:
1) Badet fumbled the opening drive that was moving well?
2) Westry let an INT go right through his hands?
3) That he was having to scramble the entire night?
4) The play calling was HORRIBLE the first three quarters?
5) We missed an extra point?
6) The Challenger exploded?

Here are the facts:

Patrick played a horrible first half as well as our defense and other offensive players did.

Our defense gave up 27 points and 180 rush yards to EKU

Patrick played lights out the last 7 minutes of the fourth quarter down 2 touchdowns and facing the most embarrassing loss of his career. Seems pretty pressured, aye? Patrick Towles single handedly won the game last night throwing for the final 3 touchdowns of the game.

Tom Brady wouldn't have had a great first half running for his life and throwing to receivers who weren't open. Patrick made some bad throws but the kid DOES NOT PLAY DEFENSE AND DID NOT GIVE UP 27 POINTS TO FREAKING EKU.

Got it?
 
I am glad we won the game to keep our hopes of a bowl game alive, and getting to a bowl game will give us more momentum in recruiting and more practices. Many of us thought that we did not look ready to play, lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, and the accuracy and decision making of our QB most of the night was poor versus a I-AA program now called FCS. We did execute in the last 5 minutes and OT which was great, and glad to see it happen.

Not sure of the reason for the volume of your posts constantly supporting Towles. Nothing wrong with supporting the players and team; however, you have about a zillion posts only dealing with Towles and nothing else. While you want to support him in a somewhat over zealous fashion realize that your posts come across as very condescending and know it all to the point that nobody else can have an opinion unless it agrees with yours. Want the kid and TEAM to do well which if you put the team first in your posts you might get more support. PT has 8 TD's and 6 INT's on the year with negative rushing yards and an 8-24 performance against Florida with 126 yards cost us that game - cannot win in the SEC with a 33% completion rate and barely over 100 passing yards. That might be why fans are not rallying to him.
 
How many threads like this are you going to start?

He is trying his best? Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? Christ, that says it all really.
I had to go to espn scores to see if we won or not. Shew, we did. Negative nannies continue. I will enjoy the win..
 
I am glad we won the game to keep our hopes of a bowl game alive, and getting to a bowl game will give us more momentum in recruiting and more practices. Many of us thought that we did not look ready to play, lost at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, and the accuracy and decision making of our QB most of the night was poor versus a I-AA program now called FCS. We did execute in the last 5 minutes and OT which was great, and glad to see it happen.

Not sure of the reason for the volume of your posts constantly supporting Towles. Nothing wrong with supporting the players and team; however, you have about a zillion posts only dealing with Towles and nothing else. While you want to support him in a somewhat over zealous fashion realize that your posts come across as very condescending and know it all to the point that nobody else can have an opinion unless it agrees with yours. Want the kid and TEAM to do well which if you put the team first in your posts you might get more support. PT has 8 TD's and 6 INT's on the year with negative rushing yards and an 8-24 performance against Florida with 126 yards cost us that game - cannot win in the SEC with a 33% completion rate and barely over 100 passing yards. That might be why fans are not rallying to him.


When people lie and make personal attacks it's not over zealous.

I have made several posts about a bunch of players.

I support all of our kids.

And I'm the first to say when they don't do well.

But I don't disparage them like others and I do not lie to make my point.


Posts do get condescending as the emotions and personal attacks go back and forth.

I agree with your entire first paragraph. Your second one provides nothing to the conversation except you judging me.

Telling me how bad Pat did vs UF just proves my point. The kid is not a great QB, thus against a great defense and poor online play its hard to expect much.

Drew would have struggled as well. If people crap on him beyond normal criticism I'll do the same.
 
I think most will just have to face facts here and get used to Towles as the starter. The coaches obviously believe he gives UK the best chance to win. You also have to get used to the fact the only consistent thing with Patrick Towles is he will play inconsistent as a QB of UK.

What the coaches will have to continue to do is put him in the best chance to be successful. High % throws, multiple options, quick passes. It's where he strives as a QB. Got roasted on here for calling him a game mgr last year but that's what he is in my mind. Doesn't mean he can't put up big numbers but it isn't going to work bombing it down the field. Dink and dunk and time control the game

His 2 picks were awful yesterday. A result of an earlier play where he extended the play and made a nice throw lead to Towles being reckless with the ball and then Towles got gun shy. No one brought it yesterday till the end and credit Patrick and the staff for making plays when they needed to and the entire team stepping up like big programs do when they get in a fight with a less than stellar opponent.
 
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- cannot win in the SEC with a 33% completion rate and barely over 100 passing yards. That might be why fans are not rallying to him.
Maybe not. I guess it is a good thing in the other 2 SEC games that we actually won Patrick didn't have those numbers.

You do realize that Patrick Towles is 6th in the SEC in passing yards, 7th in QBR and 5th in passing touchdowns, right? I know he's not number one or top 3 in every category but he is in the upper half of the conference. Give me a freaking break people! We are 4-1 (2-1) with a GREAT chance to beat Auburn in a week and a half.
 
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Did I miss something? Dude was 29-of-42 for 329 yards passing and basically single handedly won the game for us in the 4th-quarter. Anyone that couldn't see that conservative/predictable play-calling and a terrible performance by the offensive line were the main factors for the way the offense performed are kidding themselves.

Like I'm kind of starting to wonder what some people expect. Do they watch Tom Brady or Peyton Manning play? Do they not see that it's next to impossible to complete all of your passes? Someone mentioned it earlier and it's true: Towles could go 19-of-20 (or 99-of-100) but our fans are so infatuated with QB play (and basketball on grass) that they conveniently forget the 19 completions (they already have their minds made up before the game of how they feel about Towles) so they'll focus on the one incompletion (regardless of whether it was Towles' fault or not). Honestly, it's starting to get really old pretty fast. I understand the criticism at times, but tonight? Tonight? Dude might've played his best game of the year.

Do some of you think Drew Barker would've played better behind an offensive line that time after time after time after time allowed two or three d-linemen to come blasting through the middle? Do you think Barker would've excelled with tonight's ultra-conservative & predictable play-calling? My goodness. Are some of you expecting some kind of Johnny Manziel deal where our QB is able to just scramble around and avoid the crazy pressure in his face and pull some kind of rabbit out of a hat time after time? I have a hint for you: Johnny Manziel is the outlier, not the norm. It's about the rarest thing in football to have a QB that can play even a mediocre game when under constant pressure. Here's another hint: a QB is going to have multiple incompletions throughout a game. I'm not sure why I have to explain that, but apparently we're expecting a perfect game on the passing front for some reason that's beyond my comprehension.

I know one thing: we should probably be thanking our lucky stars that we have a QB that's 6'5, 240lbs and can run and avoid multiple sure sacks per game, because if we didn't, he would be getting sacked a minimum of 8-10 times a game behind our offensive line that doesn't seem to even be able to block Eastern Kentucky of all people.

He was only 69% with over 300 yards passing. We rushed for what 60 yards or something? Posters on this site clearly know their football. Clearly time for a QB change. :)
 
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When people lie and make personal attacks it's not over zealous.

I have made several posts about a bunch of players.

I support all of our kids.

And I'm the first to say when they don't do well.

But I don't disparage them like others and I do not lie to make my point.


Posts do get condescending as the emotions and personal attacks go back and forth.

I agree with your entire first paragraph. Your second one provides nothing to the conversation except you judging me.

Telling me how bad Pat did vs UF just proves my point. The kid is not a great QB, thus against a great defense and poor online play its hard to expect much.

Drew would have struggled as well. If people crap on him beyond normal criticism I'll do the same.

BP - not trying to dog on anyone but trying to offer some advice from someone who played a LONG time as well as several family members at the D1 level and understands these things a bit. I don't post like I used to several years ago, and during the early Brooks years I posted a lot in support of Coach Brooks because I knew his background, knew people at Oregon that knew what type of coach he was there, and believed he would get the job done. Nothing wrong with supporting someone and backing them up which all of us do on here to various degrees.

Was watching the game and reading the boards last night since we were on vacation, and almost every other post about Towles you had chimed in backing him up and telling posters they are wrong. Either you are related to PT, friends of the family, or a little over zealous. Take a breath and understands it is just a game, and every time you see PT's name in a post don't take it so personal and feel like you have to let everyone know they are wrong. When the games get tighter in the SEC you won't make it through the entire season!
 
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Maybe not. I guess it is a good thing in the other 2 SEC games that we actually won Patrick didn't have those numbers.

You do realize that Patrick Towles is 6th in the SEC in passing yards, 7th in QBR and 5th in passing touchdowns, right? I know he's not number one or top 3 in every category but he is in the upper half of the conference. Give me a freaking break people! We are 4-1 (2-1) with a GREAT chance to beat Auburn in a week and a half.

I know it very well. Want him to do well, and realize unlike others that there is a reason the staff has him in there and not Barker. Don't put all of the blame on him at all, and think that Dawson is the reason he has not progressed at all this year. Look at Florida game last year on the road versus this year at home. He could help out PT by using different schemes, different protections, hiding the holes on the offensive line.... If you run a spread offense you don't stack 2 backs in the backfield with the QB, you have to threaten the edge with the QB 4-6 times a game to keep the ends and lb's from collapsing on the LOS, you have to use the RB to chip the ends, use short drops and screens to slow down and mitigate the pass rush killing our oline....

As far as PT is accuracy needs to improve on simple throws, and he has to quit staring down receivers. Do this for me. Find a couple of our games and DVR them, and before the snap figure out where he is going with the ball - you will see what I mean after you do it. If he improves on these two areas we have a chance.
 
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BP - not trying to dog on anyone but trying to offer some advice from someone who played a LONG time as well as several family members at the D1 level and understands these things a bit. I don't post like I used to several years ago, and during the early Brooks years I posted a lot in support of Coach Brooks because I knew his background, knew people at Oregon that knew what type of coach he was there, and believed he would get the job done. Nothing wrong with supporting someone and backing them up which all of us do on here to various degrees.

Was watching the game and reading the boards last night since we were on vacation, and almost every other post about Towles you had chimed in backing him up and telling posters they are wrong. Either you are related to PT, friends of the family, or a little over zealous. Take a breath and understands it is just a game, and every time you see PT's name in a post don't take it so personal and feel like you have to let everyone know they are wrong. When the games get tighter in the SEC you won't make it through the entire season!


I have been on here and others way before Brooks.

I want the best QB, again I have stated PTs negatives a million times yet posts like this still appear?

You have read so many yet you do not see my critiques a thousand times?

Personal attacks are taken personally sometimes, regretfully.

So again you are stating I'm related even though I've mentioned more times than you that he has issues.

How about this, he also had 330, on 70% and accounted for 4 TDs I guess that means nothing?

The real issue is that we did not manhandle the line of scrimmage, if you truly played that should be your concern.

No running game, and gave up 180 to EKU.

Pat is Pat he will make good plays and bad ones, he will hold the ball and make questionable decisions. If the online is not good these will be worse.

I for one don't like that we looked so bad but I'm glad we came back to win.

Many of these folks seem disappointed that we did so they couldn't complain more and give PT zero credit for the comeback.
 
PT played very well the last 6 minutes which was good to see. Would like to see more of what we saw last year at Florida, and Dawson needs to step up and create packages to create mismatches and provide protection. Running a spread with two rb's and a QB who does not run makes zero sense. If he does not let PT run some like last year the defenses will continue to play us the same way - ends collapse inside and lb's do the same cresting no running lanes and creating more pass rushers than blockers. More screens, 4 WR sets, use of the tight end down the seam will help that out - see Mizzou game last week.
 
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We shit the bed last night. Plain and simple. Towles looked terrible in the first half as did everyone else. It's just one of those weird things that happens in football. The thing that most people should take away more than anything though is the last seven minutes and overtime. If you have never played or coached this game you will not understand how hard it is to overcome that weight. Everything in you is telling you that it's just not in the cards. I'm impressed with the guts and determination it took to find a way to win that game. Yes it's EKU. Yes we should have never been in that situation. But we were and we found a way to win. Towles was the QB we needed when we needed him the most. Dorian Baker and Blake Bone made big catch after big catch. Cj Johnson played his ass off and refused to lose We won. We are 4-1. And hopefully this will teach our young team a lesson. Now let's get healthy and go beat Auburn.
 
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Quite frankly I'm tired of the Towles obsession/debates all together. We win as a team and lose as a team. This is not the University of Patrick Towles, it is the University of Kentucky...to quote a wise old drunk man UK employed once upon a time. (Ok maybe not wise).

UK is 4-1 and probably going bowling. UK has shown they can win close games (4-1 in such games this season), and that shows they are clutch. That tells me UK will win another close game or two this season so UK will probably win 6-7 games despite their inconsistent play. If UK goes 7-5, that is a very good season for a program whose best players are mostly still 1st and 2nd year guys overall.
Then quite frankly why are you obsessed with continuing them?
 
Great, he makes a good post and you come and ruin it. So you're saying no one has any reason to be concerned with Towles play last night? That's what it's looking like to me?

We actually have a lot to be concerned about especially when you have games still left with AU, TN, MISS ST and GA. Plus tough games with UL and VANDY, possibly CHAROLETTE.
But the good news is as inconsistant as we have been we do seem to find a way to win. Hopefully we learn as we go and hopefully we get our kicker, our leading rusher, and the oline men who have been out, back on the field.
 
The issue is that you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from.


We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times.


Here is where you guys are different from us. We all agree with the above but, us "defenders of PT" know that if you have a QB with these issues than the rest of the team cannot execute poorly in their jobs or else he will look bad.


EVERY QB needs the following:

Protection
A good run game
WR's to get open
WR's to make great catches at times


Without these any QB will struggle. ANY QB.

Now we do not have a super QB, so if any QB will struggle without the above mentioned necessities how do you think our guy with his issues will play?

UF game we didnt have any of those things.

This game we had wr's make some plays but for the most part the entire offense was bad.


It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives. It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played.

He did play great against Mizzou.



You people that bash him nonstop are wrong, you cannot say he sucks at everything and then take away all of his support (oline, run game, etc) and expect him to be great. He sucks already remember?


Obviously Drew isn't ready or he would be playing. So we have Pat.

Pat has faults and needs others to do their job, and when they do he performs well enough for us to win.

When others do not do their job, he is pressured and his faults are magnified.


He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best. According to the coaches he is what we have, we will not be signing a free agent this year to replace him.


I am sure you guys will find a way to bash this post, even though I agree with you on the actual deficiencies, but many of you are so blinded you will not even attempt to see the point here.


Agree with everything you said. But, Towles faults magnify the faults of poor line play. He processes slowly, holds on to the ball and tries to be Teddy Bridgewater with his feet when trouble invariably happens. Throw the ball away or accept a five yard sack. An incomplete pass or a five yard sack beats a fifteen yard sack or an interception.

The passing game, as used, doesn't do him any favors. Shorten the routes and make him get rid of the ball quickly before the OL breaks down as it does without fail. Junk the long ball and live with the fact that this is a weak OL not suited for any stand tall in the pocket passer.

Seriously believe the coaches need to accept things you have posted IF they are the ones who are calling those slow to develop receiver routes. EKU's defense is not that good.
 
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Agree with everything you said. But, Towles faults magnify the faults of poor line play. He processes slowly, holds on to the ball and tries to be Teddy Bridgewater with his feet when trouble invariably happens. Throw the ball away or accept a five yard sack. An incomplete pass or a five yard sack beats a fifteen yard sack or an interception.

The passing game, as used, doesn't do him any favors. Shorten the routes and make him get rid of the ball quickly before the OL breaks down as it does without fail. Junk the long ball and live with the fact that this is a weak OL not suited for any stand tall in the pocket passer.

Seriously believe the coaches need to accept things you have posted if they are the ones who are calling these slow to develop receiver routes. EKU's defense is not that good.
I spoke to this point in a thread I started about reasons for so many sacks.
 
Agree with everything you said. But, Towles faults magnify the faults of poor line play. He processes slowly, holds on to the ball and tries to be Teddy Bridgewater with his feet when trouble invariably happens. Throw the ball away or accept a five yard sack. An incomplete pass or a five yard sack beats a fifteen yard sack or an interception.

The passing game, as used, doesn't do him any favors. Shorten the routes and make him get rid of the ball quickly before the OL breaks down as it does without fail. Junk the long ball and live with the fact that this is a weak OL not suited for any stand tall in the pocket passer.

Seriously believe the coaches need to accept things you have posted IF they are the ones who are calling those slow to develop receiver routes. EKU's defense is not that good.

I spoke to this point in a thread I started about reasons for so many sacks.


No doubts about this, the kid has had these same issues since last year. That's why I am so happy when he plays like he did against MU and the end of the game. No idea what Pat we will get.

I'm sure he will be somewhat better by the middle of next year just because of experience.

But he is a RSJr already who knows about improving on intangibles...pocket presence, seeing the field, dealing with pressure and consistent accuracy? What is his ceiling to these attributes?
 
How many threads like this are you going to start?

He is trying his best? Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? Christ, that says it all really.
As many times as it takes.... It sinks in slow to some people and you have to use repetition...
 
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Really? Dude it's over. We are all moving on to Auburn.

UK doesn't play this weekend, go troll another site this week.

Really? Quit acting like every time somebody posts something you don't agree with it's deplorable/inappropriate. I was replying to someone who quoted me and if you have a problem with that, you'll need to join a different site. Funny that you think I'm the one trolling when A) I already proved, point blank period, that YOU were the one who started the pointless drivel in your first thread about Towles and B) you start thread after thread after thread begging for attention over the same topic. "Dude, it's over... Until I start another thread about the same thing tomorrow." You really bring out the worst in this board. It's no wonder that every thread you create turns into this crap fest- you're just looking for banter/ to argue for the sake of arguing. Be an adult man.
 
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Really? Quit acting like every time somebody posts something you don't agree with it's deplorable/inappropriate. I was replying to someone who quoted me and if you have a problem with that, you'll need to join a different site. Funny that you think I'm the one trolling when A) I already proved, point blank period, that YOU were the one who started the pointless drivel in your first thread about Towles and B) you start thread after thread after thread begging for attention over the same topic. "Dude, it's over... Until I start another thread about the same thing tomorrow." You really bring out the worst in this board. It's no wonder that every thread you create turns into this crap fest- you're just looking for banter/ to argue for the sake of arguing. Be an adult man.

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The issue is that you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from.


We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times.


Here is where you guys are different from us. We all agree with the above but, us "defenders of PT" know that if you have a QB with these issues than the rest of the team cannot execute poorly in their jobs or else he will look bad.


EVERY QB needs the following:

Protection
A good run game
WR's to get open
WR's to make great catches at times


Without these any QB will struggle. ANY QB.

Now we do not have a super QB, so if any QB will struggle without the above mentioned necessities how do you think our guy with his issues will play?

UF game we didnt have any of those things.

This game we had wr's make some plays but for the most part the entire offense was bad.


It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives. It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played.

He did play great against Mizzou.



You people that bash him nonstop are wrong, you cannot say he sucks at everything and then take away all of his support (oline, run game, etc) and expect him to be great. He sucks already remember?


Obviously Drew isn't ready or he would be playing. So we have Pat.

Pat has faults and needs others to do their job, and when they do he performs well enough for us to win.

When others do not do their job, he is pressured and his faults are magnified.


He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best. According to the coaches he is what we have, we will not be signing a free agent this year to replace him.


I am sure you guys will find a way to bash this post, even though I agree with you on the actual deficiencies, but many of you are so blinded you will not even attempt to see the point here.

Other positions make the QB better, just as the QB makes other positions better. Its a team game. For the majority of the year, Towles hasnt pulled his weight. He had good stats against EKU, but we all know the majority of those were to screen passes that Dorian Baker turned into major gains.

Towles got Juice killed, twice, by throwing high and late. He nearly got Timmons killed too.

Towles stepped up in the final few minutes and helped deliver a win. But it wasnt just him. Baker turned into a monster. Even the fade was thrown low and behind Baker, but Baker just beasted the CB. And Badet made an incredible adjustment and catch on a poorly thrown ball that shouldve been an easy TD.

The reality is this: Towles has played 3 good games in his entire career. If this were Morgan Newton putting up these stats, we'd all be thrilled. But it isnt. We all know Towles has the physical ability to be a first round NFL QB. His physical ability is incredible. He made a throw on the run in the 1st half that only a handful of people on the planet could make, NFL or otherwise. Given his potential and experience, he just isnt playing well. Period.

Does that mean I hate him? No. Of course not. He seems like a great kid, he loves the program, and hes an in state player. We ALL want him to live up to his potential and succeed. Towles should be leading the charge. He just isnt, and we want that to change.

I am saying he is what he is. You are mad becasue you want him to be something else, he isn't.

We would all love for him to have better intangibles, hard to be mad at that.

There are areas the team can help him.

Be mad he is the QB, but that is not his choice. Think about who is being unreasonable here.

He isnt what he is. His ceiling is MUCH higher. Given his physical ability, he isnt playing well.

He has always been this way, you guys act surprised. That is why many look like trolls. Like hating Marcus Lee if he misses free throws this season.

Marcus Lee was never going to be one of the top picks in the draft at his position. Also....dont look now...but Lee has supposedly greatly improved his FT stroke. Others players over the years have. Lets not act like just because Towles isnt improving, that noone has ever improved.

Honestly , I don't think he has any more passes dropped than any other quarterback .

Absolutely not. Past few years our WR's have been a weak point. Not anymore. Theyre by far the best unit on offense.

You do realize that Patrick Towles is 6th in the SEC in passing yards, 7th in QBR

You do realize 7th in the SEC is not something to brag about?

As far as PT is accuracy needs to improve on simple throws, and he has to quit staring down receivers.

Part of this is that he struggles to go through progressions. If his 1st read isnt there, he struggles to even make it to the 2nd. He never gets past the 2nd read. Thats why Baker and Johnson catch such a large portion of the passes, because theyre usually the 1st read on a given play.

We can sugarcoat it however we want. But Towles still struggles with progressions. He still struggles with pocket presence. He still struggles with many mental aspects of the game that he should be improving with.

Good news is, he still has time to fix these things.

Shorten the routes and make him get rid of the ball quickly

Theyve tried. He usually still doesnt throw the ball and takes a sack or just runs. But....when he gets rid of the ball on these quick throws its usually for a nice gain on a slant or tunnel screen.
 
You do realize 7th in the SEC is not something to brag about?
You do realize that EVERYONE cannot be Top 3, right? The way some talk about Patrick Towles you would think he was in the 11-14th range for QB's, but even with a horrible showing against UF he is still in the top half of the conference which is absolutely a positive sign.

He is above:
Will Grier FLORIDA
Jake Coker ALABAMA
Grayson Lambert GEORGIA
Joshua Dobbs TENNESSEE
Maty Mauk MIZZO
Jeremy Johnson AUBURN
Brandin Harris LSU

(Since when do we beat out schools like that)

If Towles has a game against UF like he did last night then he is close to tied for 2nd. One game made the difference between 2nd and 6th.

Quit pulling at straws. Other than one game Patrick has put up numbers as good as anyone in the conference not named Chad Kelly and that was mostly against crap competition.
 
You do realize that EVERYONE cannot be Top 3, right? The way some talk about Patrick Towles you would think he was in the 11-14th range for QB's, but even with a horrible showing against UF he is still in the top half of the conference which is absolutely a positive sign.

He is above:
Will Grier FLORIDA
Jake Coker ALABAMA
Grayson Lambert GEORGIA
Joshua Dobbs TENNESSEE
Maty Mauk MIZZO
Jeremy Johnson AUBURN
Brandin Harris LSU

(Since when do we beat out schools like that)

If Towles has a game against UF like he did last night then he is close to tied for 2nd. One game made the difference between 2nd and 6th.

Quit pulling at straws. Other than one game Patrick has put up numbers as good as anyone in the conference not named Chad Kelly and that was mostly against crap competition.



7th is OK. It would be great for Morgan Newton. But Towles has a much higher ceiling. He should be in the top 3 AT LEAST. Physically, hes the best QB to ever play for UK. Noone wearing blue and white had the physical combination of size, speed, agility, toughness, and arm strength of Towles

Saying hes 7th like its some sort of compliment is just baffling to me.
 
7th is OK. It would be great for Morgan Newton. But Towles has a much higher ceiling. He should be in the top 3 AT LEAST. Physically, hes the best QB to ever play for UK. Noone wearing blue and white had the physical combination of size, speed, agility, toughness, and arm strength of Towles

Saying hes 7th like its some sort of compliment is just baffling to me.
It isn't as much a compliment as much as it is to show the idiots he isn't as horrible as they act like he is.
 
It isn't as much a compliment as much as it is to show the idiots he isn't as horrible as they act like he is.

There are only a handful of posters saying hes awful. Most of the "bashing" is coming from posters like myself, who are offering an honest and accurate critique of what should be a dominating player.
 
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7th is OK. It would be great for Morgan Newton. But Towles has a much higher ceiling. He should be in the top 3 AT LEAST. Physically, hes the best QB to ever play for UK. Noone wearing blue and white had the physical combination of size, speed, agility, toughness, and arm strength of Towles

Saying hes 7th like its some sort of compliment is just baffling to me.
Congratulations for one of the most asinine posts in this thread.
 
Was hoping from the topic title it was going to be free tickets or some other freebie in which case I would have become a basher.
Instead it is the same old tired debate. When the hole keeps getting deeper, stop digging.
 
Brian Poe , I'm usually on board with most things you say , but . It is very condescending to say people that don't have your point of view don't understand football . I played football in high school and I feel like I understand the game . But moreover, one of my best friends whom I watch most of the games with , was one of the " thin thirty ", had a cup of coffee in the NFL , and coached high school football for twenty five years winning two state championships as head coach . He is MUCH more critical of Towles than I am . My friend understands football pretty good .
 
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