For the QB bashers

[brianpoe]

The issue is that you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from.


We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times.


Here is where you guys are different from us. We all agree with the above but, us "defenders of PT" know that if you have a QB with these issues than the rest of the team cannot execute poorly in their jobs or else he will look bad.


EVERY QB needs the following:

Protection
A good run game
WR's to get open
WR's to make great catches at times


Without these any QB will struggle. ANY QB.

Now we do not have a super QB, so if any QB will struggle without the above mentioned necessities how do you think our guy with his issues will play?

UF game we didnt have any of those things.

This game we had wr's make some plays but for the most part the entire offense was bad.


It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives. It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played.

He did play great against Mizzou.



You people that bash him nonstop are wrong, you cannot say he sucks at everything and then take away all of his support (oline, run game, etc) and expect him to be great. He sucks already remember?


Obviously Drew isn't ready or he would be playing. So we have Pat.

Pat has faults and needs others to do their job, and when they do he performs well enough for us to win.

When others do not do their job, he is pressured and his faults are magnified.


He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best. According to the coaches he is what we have, we will not be signing a free agent this year to replace him.


I am sure you guys will find a way to bash this post, even though I agree with you on the actual deficiencies, but many of you are so blinded you will not even attempt to see the point here.

 

[djtackett2000]

Best post you've ever made

 

[rolaid]

I agree 100% I would love Cam Newton but he ain't on roster. Rather have a couple of great offensive tackles though right now

 

[FusterCluck]

Great post.

 

[mrschwump]

I said here a couple of weeks ago....Towles could go 19 out of 20 for 350 and 4 and some would bitch about his one incompletion. Still stands.

 

[brianpoe]

Best post you've ever made

Thank you, i realized my replies sucked so bad because I have not ever expressed this in detail thinking most everyone knew this is how many of us see the situation.

Hopefully i will suck less in the future, but since the late 90's i have posted on these boards and havent improved much, so no promises.

 

[djtackett2000]

I said here a couple of weeks ago....Towles could go 19 out of 20 for 350 and 4 and some would bitch about his one incompletion. Still stands.

Great, he makes a good post and you come and ruin it. So you're saying no one has any reason to be concerned with Towles play last night? That's what it's looking like to me?

 

[CatsFanatic07]

I agree completely. Let's not forget that PTs experience will put us in a better position to win while we improve on our weaknesses. It's very possible that next year Barker will take over. Granted, I wouldn't mind seeing Barker play a bit but the fact remains that we have had games decided by one score or less. Let's not risk a bowl game for a freshman to get some playing time.

 

[WeepNoMore]

The issue is that you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from.


We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times.


Here is where you guys are different from us. We all agree with the above but, us "defenders of PT" know that if you have a QB with these issues than the rest of the team cannot execute poorly in their jobs or else he will look bad.


EVERY QB needs the following:

Protection
A good run game
WR's to get open
WR's to make great catches at times


Without these any QB will struggle. ANY QB.

Now we do not have a super QB, so if any QB will struggle without the above mentioned necessities how do you think our guy with his issues will play?

UF game we didnt have any of those things.

This game we had wr's make some plays but for the most part the entire offense was bad.


It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives. It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played.

He did play great against Mizzou.



You people that bash him nonstop are wrong, you cannot say he sucks at everything and then take away all of his support (oline, run game, etc) and expect him to be great. He sucks already remember?


Obviously Drew isn't ready or he would be playing. So we have Pat.

Pat has faults and needs others to do their job, and when they do he performs well enough for us to win.

When others do not do their job, he is pressured and his faults are magnified.


He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best. According to the coaches he is what we have, we will not be signing a free agent this year to replace him.


I am sure you guys will find a way to bash this post, even though I agree with you on the actual deficiencies, but many of you are so blinded you will not even attempt to see the point here.

Posted this on another thread, but, IMHO, it is appropriate to repost it here:

You and others should probably save your fingers some blisters and simply quit trying to reason with the posters who, in their football deficient minds, see Towles as this year's Mike Hartline and Barker as this year's Morgan Newton.

No amount of reasoning will convince them that Towles is not the problem and that Barker is not the solution.

The way they see it: Of Towles' 11 completions in his last 12 attempts no less than 10 were incredible catches of poorly thrown passes made by receivers that would already be All-Pro were they not forced to play college football for three years. Neither could you convince them that Barker, if given a chance, would have been anything short of 20 out of 20 with 5 TDs to close out a rout of EKU.

You simply cannot reason with the uninformed and the unreasonable.

 

[brianpoe]

Great, he makes a good post and you come and ruin it. So you're saying no one has any reason to be concerned with Towles play last night? That's what it's looking like to me?

The point as far as concerned about PT's play, is I don't think we are concerned with it.

He is a RS Jr, he may be what he is DJ.

He must have good protection and wr's must help him out sometimes.

Us being concerned won't help his negative issues.

Will he ever get better handling pressure? Maybe, that takes a lot of time and he may or may not, that as you know is not a one game fix, only experience will help that.


Will he ever be consistent with accuracy? I guess he can but again not a one game fix.


We know what we have with the kid. So we need other things to get better in the mean time.

The oline can do better.

The wr's can catch better and get open better.

These are fundamental and conditioning items.

Handling pressure and accuracy are not.


Until he improves or we get someone else this is what we have. The good thing is, he is not garbage by any means and we can win with him, just have to compensate at times.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

The issue is that you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from.


We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times.


Here is where you guys are different from us. We all agree with the above but, us "defenders of PT" know that if you have a QB with these issues than the rest of the team cannot execute poorly in their jobs or else he will look bad.


EVERY QB needs the following:

Protection
A good run game
WR's to get open
WR's to make great catches at times


Without these any QB will struggle. ANY QB.

Now we do not have a super QB, so if any QB will struggle without the above mentioned necessities how do you think our guy with his issues will play?

UF game we didnt have any of those things.

This game we had wr's make some plays but for the most part the entire offense was bad.


It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives. It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played.

He did play great against Mizzou.



You people that bash him nonstop are wrong, you cannot say he sucks at everything and then take away all of his support (oline, run game, etc) and expect him to be great. He sucks already remember?


Obviously Drew isn't ready or he would be playing. So we have Pat.

Pat has faults and needs others to do their job, and when they do he performs well enough for us to win.

When others do not do their job, he is pressured and his faults are magnified.


He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best. According to the coaches he is what we have, we will not be signing a free agent this year to replace him.


I am sure you guys will find a way to bash this post, even though I agree with you on the actual deficiencies, but many of you are so blinded you will not even attempt to see the point here.

How many threads like this are you going to start?

He is trying his best? Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? Christ, that says it all really.

 

[brianpoe]

How many threads like this are you going to start?

He is trying his best? Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? Christ, that says it all really.

That is all you understood from this post?

Speaks volumes.

 

[vhcat70]

How many threads like this are you going to start?

He is trying his best? Do you realize how pathetic that sounds? Christ, that says it all really.

This is pumping sunshine?

"We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times."

LMAO

 

[jnewc2]

Did I miss something? Dude was 29-of-42 for 329 yards passing and basically single handedly won the game for us in the 4th-quarter. Anyone that couldn't see that conservative/predictable play-calling and a terrible performance by the offensive line were the main factors for the way the offense performed are kidding themselves.

Like I'm kind of starting to wonder what some people expect. Do they watch Tom Brady or Peyton Manning play? Do they not see that it's next to impossible to complete all of your passes? Someone mentioned it earlier and it's true: Towles could go 19-of-20 (or 99-of-100) but our fans are so infatuated with QB play (and basketball on grass) that they conveniently forget the 19 completions (they already have their minds made up before the game of how they feel about Towles) so they'll focus on the one incompletion (regardless of whether it was Towles' fault or not). Honestly, it's starting to get really old pretty fast. I understand the criticism at times, but tonight? Tonight? Dude might've played his best game of the year.

Do some of you think Drew Barker would've played better behind an offensive line that time after time after time after time allowed two or three d-linemen to come blasting through the middle? Do you think Barker would've excelled with tonight's ultra-conservative & predictable play-calling? My goodness. Are some of you expecting some kind of Johnny Manziel deal where our QB is able to just scramble around and avoid the crazy pressure in his face and pull some kind of rabbit out of a hat time after time? I have a hint for you: Johnny Manziel is the outlier, not the norm. It's about the rarest thing in football to have a QB that can play even a mediocre game when under constant pressure. Here's another hint: a QB is going to have multiple incompletions throughout a game. I'm not sure why I have to explain that, but apparently we're expecting a perfect game on the passing front for some reason that's beyond my comprehension.

I know one thing: we should probably be thanking our lucky stars that we have a QB that's 6'5, 240lbs and can run and avoid multiple sure sacks per game, because if we didn't, he would be getting sacked a minimum of 8-10 times a game behind our offensive line that doesn't seem to even be able to block Eastern Kentucky of all people.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

This is pumping sunshine?

"We understand that our QB has issues.

He doesn't handle pressure well.

His accuracy is inconsistent on some basic throws at times.

He holds the ball too long at times."

LMAO

"It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives."

"It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played."

"He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best."


As you would say, "LMAO"

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

That is all you understood from this post?

Speaks volumes.

Theres nothing to understand. All you ever say is "Pat might not be perfect BUT REALLY ITS EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT FOR NOT CRADLING HIM!!!!!!!1!1!"

Garbage

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

Its alright guys. Stop critiquing the most important player on the field that the head coach publicly expressed serious doubts in at the half and at the end of the game. He tried his best!!!!

 

[brianpoe]

"It was AMAZING that our QB with all of his faults that we all agree on was able to come back and hit 11/12 on the two final drives."

"It was incredible that he finished the night with a stat line that was better than he played."

"He is our QB, a wildcat, he is trying his best."


As you would say, "LMAO"

It was amazing that with the game he had played along with all of his faults that he put it all together at the end.

Do you not agree he played well at the end?

Do you not agree that he is trying his best?

Theres nothing to understand. All you ever say is "Pat might not be perfect BUT REALLY ITS EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT FOR NOT CRADLING HIM!!!!!!!1!1!"

Garbage

I am saying he is what he is. You are mad becasue you want him to be something else, he isn't.

We would all love for him to have better intangibles, hard to be mad at that.

There are areas the team can help him.

Be mad he is the QB, but that is not his choice. Think about who is being unreasonable here.

Its alright guys. Stop critiquing the most important player on the field that the head coach publicly expressed serious doubts in at the half and at the end of the game. He tried his best!!!!

I critiqued him in my post, in many posts, do you only read the parts that make you feel good?


We both agree on his negatives, I'm just not going to blame the entire team's performance on him. I am going to praise the entire team for bouncing back from the entire team sucking most of the game to get us a win we most likely would have lost in years past.

You can live pissed off at the world that our best QB for now has faults. You crying and complaining are not going to fix those. He has positives, he has played well at times and others not so much.

He is who we have. You want Drew and that's great, shitting on PT even when he does well will not make Drew better in the coaches eyes.

You simply do not understand what others are saying and the reality of our team.

 

[Bigbluediddy63]

The notion that you shouldn't be concerned with PT's play is absurd, I'll give you that our Oline, left tackles in particular are garbage, but that doesn't make up for bad throws to open receivers and sacks taken when he has the opportunity to throw it away. Those situations along with predictable play calling really put us in a bind.

 

[CatsFanatic07]

The majority of these posters are trolls. Seriously thinking they know better than the coaches on who puts us in a better position to win. Oh wait.... I forgot, we have a hidden HoF coach cheering for UK and that has never been discovered by any league in the world that wastes his time posting on Wildcat Lair.

 

[UK Widget]

Excellent post. We could have Tim Tebow as our wb and he would still struggle because of our OL. I hate people bash the quarterback for being sacked a lot, but it's not his fault 95% of the time, it's our OL. Hopefully next year we'll have a good (not great, maybe in two-three years) OL. To have a good offense, you need the right puzzles. If one doesn't fit, then there's gonna be trouble. We have the WR's, the RB's, and the QB to compete with everyone, but we're missing that one small puzzle piece-the offensive line. Our offense is a lot better than last year. Last year's offense would not win last night.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Quite frankly I'm tired of the Towles obsession/debates all together. We win as a team and lose as a team. This is not the University of Patrick Towles, it is the University of Kentucky...to quote a wise old drunk man UK employed once upon a time. (Ok maybe not wise).

UK is 4-1 and probably going bowling. UK has shown they can win close games (4-1 in such games this season), and that shows they are clutch. That tells me UK will win another close game or two this season so UK will probably win 6-7 games despite their inconsistent play. If UK goes 7-5, that is a very good season for a program whose best players are mostly still 1st and 2nd year guys overall.

 

[Dreklie]

This guy gonna make 30 threads defending Towles ...

 

[Pike 96]

Bottom line is we don't know if Barker would look consistently more accurate or handle pressure better or seem to have that "it" factor when the lights come on because we've never seen him. We have to trust the coaches know because they see them in practice...BUT...the caveat to that is that it's a totally different monster when you have that red no contact jersey on.

The one grip I have with Stoops as a head coach is how he's handled getting the backup QB game reps(and burning Kengera Daniels redshirt..but that is another topic). Last year and this year, he should have just bit the bullet and gotten the backup a series a game. And much more so this year with Barker as your QB of the future.
Look at Pinkle and Mizzou...they put their highly recruited backup QB in the game at least a series a game in the first half with the game on the line of every game this year. And yesterday the backup QB looked like a stud with 16 completions in the first half against USC with the starter suspended. No way is the backup QB comfortable enough to do that if he was taking his first snap in that game. So are you taking more of a risk by giving the inexperienced QB a series with the game still on the line or not playing him until your starter gets hurt or us completely ineffective? At which time your back up has never stepped foot on the field. I would argue the later is the bigger risk and also continues to show you little around what the backup could be.
Towles is what he is. A physically talented and very frustrating QB with equal amount flaws and deficiencies.
Barker is and will remain an unknown quantity until they actually give him a chance to show what he can do.

 

[NCukcat62]

I honestly believe for the most part Patrick played pretty alright. Can't help that our oline was depleted, are run game wasn't clicking. Can't blame the performance on Patrick, it was a team effort.

 

[brianpoe]

The notion that you shouldn't be concerned with PT's play is absurd, I'll give you that our Oline, left tackles in particular are garbage, but that doesn't make up for bad throws to open receivers and sacks taken when he has the opportunity to throw it away. Those situations along with predictable play calling really put us in a bind.

I guess I wasn't able to convey my point to you thoroughly. Be concerned all you want. Being pissed that the kid is who is, is on you. He is RS Junior, you and I watched him play last year too.

Not sure what you want people to say, he is up and down, he just is. When others dont execute he is worse. But he is not terrible. People want him to be something he is not, many want him to be better than Peyton, just silly.

He needs time to throw, and even then he may be off. Kill the player, but if Drew was better would he not be playing?

If Pat is indeed the best we have is all this crap necessary?

 

[brianpoe]

This guy gonna make 30 threads defending Towles ...

That was not a defense of PT, it was a defense of those of us trying help you that have no understanding of football nor our team understand the basis of our comments.

Me constantly listing PT's shortcomings are not a defense. You and the others continual disparaging of the kid is what needs defending.


Not one of you has tried to convey mature reasoning to your point.

That is what we are doing.

Why do you hate the kid so much?

He doesn't handle pressure well? Ok

He is inaccurate at times? Ok

He holds the ball too long? Ok

Many have stated we agree.


He has always been this way, you guys act surprised. That is why many look like trolls. Like hating Marcus Lee if he misses free throws this season.

If there is a better QB on the team he should play. But you guys will still cry because he wont be perfect either and he will need oline execution as well.


If he is our best QB, why can't people complain with out the vitriol, and understand he is what he is? I think it is because outsiders said he is an NFL prospect and you are the same guys who chew up highly rated bball players when they are not all world.

Letting outsiders form your false opinion when we have watched the kid all last year doesn't make sense.


We all want him to be better. We also want the oline and defense and teams to be better. Hating a particular player because your guy is not playing is not fair to the kid. Crap on the coach who is making that decision.

 

[yoshukai]

That was not a defense of PT, it was a defense of those of us trying help you that have no understanding of football nor our team understand the basis of our comments.

Me constantly listing PT's shortcomings are not a defense. You and the others continual disparaging of the kid is what needs defending.


Not one of you has tried to convey mature reasoning to your point.

That is what we are doing.

Why do you hate the kid so much?

He doesn't handle pressure well? Ok

He is inaccurate at times? Ok

He holds the ball too long? Ok

Many have stated we agree.


He has always been this way, you guys act surprised. That is why many look like trolls. Like hating Marcus Lee if he misses free throws this season.

If there is a better QB on the team he should play. But you guys will still cry because he wont be perfect either and he will need oline execution as well.


If he is our best QB, why can't people complain with out the vitriol, and understand he is what he is? I think it is because outsiders said he is an NFL prospect and you are the same guys who chew up highly rated bball players when they are not all world.

Letting outsiders form your false opinion when we have watched the kid all last year doesn't make sense.


We all want him to be better. We also want the oline and defense and teams to be better. Hating a particular player because your guy is not playing is not fair to the kid. Crap on the coach who is making that decision.

Brian Poe , I'm usually on board with most things you say , but . It is very condescending to say people that don't have your point of view don't understand football . I played football in high school and I feel like I understand the game . But moreover, one of my best friends whom I watch most of the games with , was one of the " thin thirty ", had a cup of coffee in the NFL , and coached high school football for twenty five years winning two state championships as head coach . He is MUCH more critical of Towles than I am . My friend understands football pretty good .

 

[brianpoe]

Brian Poe , I'm usually on board with most things you say , but . It is very condescending to say people that don't have your point of view don't understand football . I played football in high school and I feel like I understand the game . But moreover, one of my best friends whom I watch most of the games with , was one of the " thin thirty ", had a cup of coffee in the NFL , and coached high school football for twenty five years winning two state championships as head coach . He is MUCH more critical of Towles than I am . My friend understands football pretty good .

Yoki - of course there are things to be critical of PT of.

We all know this.

You and your friend know that PT has issues, you both know that if protection breaks down and we have no running game his performance will not be good.

I doubt very seriously if you and your friend do not recognize that he played very well the last two drives.

That he was not THE reason we played so bad as a team.

That it is not his fault that Drew doesn't play.

That every throw he makes is not terrible.


That is all, unless these guys just hate the kid personally, or are trolls, I can only assume that their football knowledge is subpar.

Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe Pat is to blame for the defense bad play.

Maybe Pat should be great, even though he never has been, when there is no blocking, no run game, dropped passes.


I am not a blind fan who thinks the kid does no wrong, in fact the opposite, we must play better around him for us to be good.

If he is the best we have others cannot play poorly, because as you and your friend know he is not a superstar.

He is what he is and these are intangibles that you cannot just all of a sudden improve on.

 

[BlueTick2]

Bottom line is we don't know if Barker would look consistently more accurate or handle pressure better or seem to have that "it" factor when the lights come on because we've never seen him.

But the coaches have seen him!
And their wisdom says Pat is the best QB, and that's why he plays.

Excellent post OP

 

[dcspurlock]

If he put up those kinds of numbers against Vandy or ULL I would say ok. Good game Patrick. But it was EKU. He's supposed to throw for 300 and 3. The two INTs were terrible. And when I say he sucks that's just emotions getting to me. He's terribly inconsistent. And when he's off he sucks and sucks bad. When he's on he's on. But sadly he's off more than he's on. I know he's a good player. But when he's off there aren't many in the country worse than him. Not many better when he's on. It's just that we get more bad than good. I would just like a QB that can play a decent game for 4 quarters week in and week out. And I'll be the first to say that the entire team from HC on down under performed all week leading into last night. Worst I've seen a team prepared to play in my years watching football. But our QB is the most inconsistent football player I've ever seen too. That's all in his head. Until he gets his mental issues worked out (just cockiness IMO) then we need to play another QB that can give us 4 quarters of decent football.

 

[brianpoe]

If he put up those kinds of numbers against Vandy or ULL I would say ok. Good game Patrick. But it was EKU. He's supposed to throw for 300 and 3. The two INTs were terrible. And when I say he sucks that's just emotions getting to me. He's terribly inconsistent. And when he's off he sucks and sucks bad. When he's on he's on. But sadly he's off more than he's on. I know he's a good player. But when he's off there aren't many in the country worse than him. Not many better when he's on. It's just that we get more bad than good. I would just like a QB that can play a decent game for 4 quarters week in and week out. And I'll be the first to say that the entire team from HC on down under performed all week leading into last night. Worst I've seen a team prepared to play in my years watching football. But our QB is the most inconsistent football player I've ever seen too. That's all in his head. Until he gets his mental issues worked out (just cockiness IMO) then we need to play another QB that can give us 4 quarters of decent football.

Preparation was not good at all in my opinion.

As long as people recognize that the entire team played against EKU.

I am more concerned that both of our lines did not play well against EKU.

That is a execution and athletic issue.

Whoever PT plays he may be inaccurate and he may not do well under pressure, not sure why EKU makes a difference?

Their dline can sack him just like an SEC team, our wr's were not running free wide open.


PT hasnt been consistent, other than the Mizzou game, he hasnt put together 4 quarters. He did bounce back like the rest of the team but he did not play as well as his stats say.

Not sure cockiness has anything to do with inaccuracy or holding the ball too long, how does that work?

 

[yoshukai]

Yoki - of course there are things to be critical of PT of.

We all know this.

You and your friend know that PT has issues, you both know that if protection breaks down and we have no running game his performance will not be good.

I doubt very seriously if you and your friend do not recognize that he played very well the last two drives.

That he was not THE reason we played so bad as a team.

That it is not his fault that Drew doesn't play.

That every throw he makes is not terrible.


That is all, unless these guys just hate the kid personally, or are trolls, I can only assume that their football knowledge is subpar.

Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe Pat is to blame for the defense bad play.

Maybe Pat should be great, even though he never has been, when there is no blocking, no run game, dropped passes.


I am not a blind fan who thinks the kid does no wrong, in fact the opposite, we must play better around him for us to be good.

If he is the best we have others cannot play poorly, because as you and your friend know he is not a superstar.

He is what he is and these are intangibles that you cannot just all of a sudden improve on.

Agree on most points . Honestly , I don't think he has any more passes dropped than any other quarterback . And I realize he isn't a superstar . The question is , is he competent ? Do we trust him ? I think a lot of people think the only reason Towles won the job and keeps it is because he has experience. Some would rather go with talent . I don't know if Barker has more talent . Stoops himself stated he considered making a quarterback change last night .
I don't think it's unreasonable for some of the fans to think we need it also . I want Barker to play because one of two things will happen . Either he will play well and we will be better or people will realize he isn't ready yet and shut up .

 

[brianpoe]

Agree on most points . Honestly , I don't think he has any more passes dropped than any other quarterback . And I realize he isn't a superstar . The question is , is he competent ? Do we trust him ? I think a lot of people think the only reason Towles won the job and keeps it is because he has experience. Some would rather go with talent . I don't know if Barker has more talent . Stoops himself stated he considered making a quarterback change last night .
I don't think it's unreasonable for some of the fans to think we need it also . I want Barker to play because one of two things will happen . Either he will play well and we will be better or people will realize he isn't ready yet and shut up .

Agree with all of that.

 

[dcspurlock]

Preparation was not good at all in my opinion.

As long as people recognize that the entire team played against EKU.

I am more concerned that both of our lines did not play well against EKU.

That is a execution and athletic issue.

Whoever PT plays he may be inaccurate and he may not do well under pressure, not sure why EKU makes a difference?

Their dline can sack him just like an SEC team, our wr's were not running free wide open.


PT hasnt been consistent, other than the Mizzou game, he hasnt put together 4 quarters. He did bounce back like the rest of the team but he did not play as well as his stats say.

Not sure cockiness has anything to do with inaccuracy or holding the ball too long, how does that work?

Where did I say he's cocky so he throws the ball high and wide? I said he's got a problem between his ears and until he gets that squared away he's not ever gonna be consistent. I took a guess at the cockiness part. I think he thinks too much of himself and it's getting the best of him. If you'll notice, folks like that refuse to believe they have anything to improve upon. Can't tell them about their faults cause in their mind they don't have any. That's why they're way slower to improve over humble and hungry folks. But I don't know the guy. I'm just guessing by the way he carries himself.

 

[Mozes-Prince22]

I'm one of the fans who say give Barker a shot. I understand we are 4-1, but we could easily be 1-4 or 0-5 with the way they have played. Has there been poor offensive line play? Sure. But some of these throws by Towles are just piss poor. He looks like an NAIA quarterback at times. If there was a game and situation to play Barker in, it was last night.

Some of you might say Barker wouldn't have led us on those last two drives. But we might not have been in that kind of situation if Barker had played. I'm not saying he would've been perfect, but he couldn't have been much worse and we'll never know how good he is in an actual game situation until he plays.

I'm not a Towles hater whatsoever. I'm a Kentucky fan and I want him to be successful because that means the team will be successful. He's not the only problem obviously, but he definitely needs to make some improvements. With him being a Junior, I'm not sure we will ever see those improvements unfortunately.

 

[Levibooty]

Making it a "us vs you" issue is not what should be happening. This BS

If Towles plays well everybody is happy, if he doesn't not so much.

Trying to make this "I'm on the right side of this argument" is not constructive at all. It's immature.

This OP is all about divisiveness and should have been worded completely differently.

When you start writing "you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from." then it is you who is in need of an attitude adjustment.

Brian Poe you have an opinion fine you have other things in common with everybody that posts also. What you don't have is a deep knowledge of what people you do not know understand and don't understand. What a pompous self-serving stance to take. You should apologize to this board, you do not possess the divine knowledge you intimate.

 

[brianpoe]

Where did I say he's cocky so he throws the ball high and wide? I said he's got a problem between his ears and until he gets that squared away he's not ever gonna be consistent. I took a guess at the cockiness part. I think he thinks too much of himself and it's getting the best of him. If you'll notice, folks like that refuse to believe they have anything to improve upon. Can't tell them about their faults cause in their mind they don't have any. That's why they're way slower to improve over humble and hungry folks. But I don't know the guy. I'm just guessing by the way he carries himself.

I dont know him personally either. I would think the coaches are telling him he has much to improve on, who knows if it is attitude or just ability or lack of natural instincts.

 

[brianpoe]

Making it a "us vs you" issue is not what should be happening. This BS

If Towles plays well everybody is happy, if he doesn't not so much.

Trying to make this "I'm on the right side of this argument" is not constructive at all. It's immature.

This OP is all about divisiveness and should have been worded completely differently.

When you start writing "you people do not understand where those of us defending PT are coming from." then it is you who is in need of an attitude adjustment.

Brian Poe you have an opinion fine you have other things in common with everybody that posts also. What you don't have is a deep knowledge of what people you do not know understand and don't understand. What a pompous self-serving stance to take. You should apologize to this board, you do not possess the divine knowledge you intimate.

Levi you have been negative forever, so please you do not fool any of us that have been for awhile.

As you see from the 15 likes on the OP many feel like I do.

Which is people do not understand our comments.

When people say we defend PT no matter what, we think he did great, his balls on our face, we are blind to his negatives - that is false and they obviously do not understand us.


What is pompous is those of you who think you know what we all feel.

What is pompous is blaming the entire game on PT.

What is pompous is saying the wr's bailed him out on every play.

What is pompous is blaming the bad 3 qtrs solely on PT and giving him zero credit in the end.


Yes people do not seem to understand we all watched him last year - he has gotten a little bit better but still has issues and needs the other units to do their jobs well for him to be effective.

You guys who think he sucks already, are blaming him even when the others do not play well either.

That is sad. You jerks will do the same to Drew as well.


We have all seen this before - with the backup QB love.

I'm all for seeing Drew and if doesnt get protection or a run game he will have issues, maybe you guys will see these issues and not blame them all on Drew, but I doubt it.

 

[Levibooty]

Levi you have been negative forever, so please you do not fool any of us that have been for awhile.

As you see from the 15 likes on the OP many feel like I do.

Which is people do not understand our comments.

When people say we defend PT no matter what, we think he did great, his balls on our face, we are blind to his negatives - that is false and they obviously do not understand us.


What is pompous is those of you who think you know what we all feel.

What is pompous is blaming the entire game on PT.

What is pompous is saying the wr's bailed him out on every play.

What is pompous is blaming the bad 3 qtrs solely on PT and giving him zero credit in the end.


Yes people do not seem to understand we all watched him last year - he has gotten a little bit better but still has issues and needs the other units to do their jobs well for him to be effective.

You guys who think he sucks already, are blaming him even when the others do not play well either.

That is sad. You jerks will do the same to Drew as well.


We have all seen this before - with the backup QB love.

I'm all for seeing Drew and if doesnt get protection or a run game he will have issues, maybe you guys will see these issues and not blame them all on Drew, but I doubt it.

Like I said you don't know what you think you know. You are trying to set yourself above some pretty decent people here who have pretty darn good knowledge. All I know about you is what you write and when you write stuff like the OP pretending you have ubiquitous knowledge of every posters thoughts opinions and knowledge then you are a joke and don't realize it.

FYI this is the first thread I have posted on since coming back from the game so you sure in heck don't know what I think. It's on another thread in case you want to know what an asinine position you have taken in this thread. You must be very young.