Nobody in this thread knows enough about contract law or the terms of the contract to know FSUs chances to win/settle this lawsuit. I’ve practiced law for 20 years and zi have no idea. There will be factors involved none of us has a clue about.
Florida State sues to get out of ACC, marking beginning of end of ACC conference
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YES THIS. The SEC will have to move outside the south eventually.
Duke has Big East written all over it. I don't see a major conference wanting them as a revenue drag
Let them beat up on Seton Hall
Let them beat up on Seton Hall
I think FSU is making a big mistake. Let's say they somehow win this suit. I don't think the SEC is interested. But, I couldn't imagine they would be doing this if they don't have a gentlemans agreement.
The SEC has avoided “expansion just for expansion’s sake” so to speak. They have only added teams that truly add something to the conference. They have added arguably two of the top 10 all-time great football programs with their last move. Everyone else is playing catch up while the SEC is cherry picking their additions.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the SEC just stands pat until the right fits come along.
The SEC won’t panic and add crappy programs just to get to a certain number of members. The teams the SEC add have to really add something. Right now those programs are few and far between.
TV and payments will ultimately decide what the SEC does. Don’t let anything else fool you. If the BIG teams start raking in more money, the SEC admins will demand something is done.
FSU isn't disputing they signed the deal. Their Hail Mary is that the ACC has mismanaged their duties since the schools signed the media rights over. To the tune of approx. $30M less per school than SEC & B1G schools are getting. And that gap is getting bigger every year.
I guess a lawyer would have to tell us, if you can prove poor performance or even malfeasance, can you void a contract? Or just get better terms out?
Of course, the ACC is in the same boat as the PAC was. First chair or two empty, and the rest of the room clears quick.
If the ACC folds, maybe a few of these bigger private schools wanna strap their dinghies together. ND, Duke, UVA, Stanford, SMU, WF, Cal., etc. They could maybe save themselves and let ND keep most of their own money somehow. I dunno. Its late, or its the brown water.
I guess a lawyer would have to tell us, if you can prove poor performance or even malfeasance, can you void a contract? Or just get better terms out?
Of course, the ACC is in the same boat as the PAC was. First chair or two empty, and the rest of the room clears quick.
If the ACC folds, maybe a few of these bigger private schools wanna strap their dinghies together. ND, Duke, UVA, Stanford, SMU, WF, Cal., etc. They could maybe save themselves and let ND keep most of their own money somehow. I dunno. Its late, or its the brown water.
At this point just have four 16-team conferences. West, Midwest, South, East.
If this goes through and the ACC falls, the Big 12 will be lucky to go for 2 more years. College is headed towards two conferences or leagues, just like all the pro sports.
Add Vanderbilt, Northwestern and one more and you would have a pretty nice 10 team league.
FSU sees the writing on the wall. When Louisville plays for the Conference championship, then loses to UK plus they get picked over by both Bama and Texas a future SEC school, it shows that being undefeated in ACC play means squat.
The SEC isn’t just adding teams because the Big 10 is. That is my point. Every team the SEC adds must be a “plus” to the conference. They aren’t trying to keep up with the Big 10 numerically. The SEC won’t feel pressured to get to 20 or 24 teams just because the Big 10 has more teams. The Big 10 can have more money and the SEC won’t care, as long as each schools individual share doesn’t start lagging behind. Divide X amount of dollars by 20 or 24, or divide it by 16. Doesn’t matter if the pie is bigger, what matters is the size of my slice. 1/16th is a bigger slice than 1/20th. The Big 10 pie needs to be much bigger to make that 1/20th a lot bigger than 1/16th. And if the new schools they add don’t bring enough revenue to justify going from a 1/16th share to a 1/20th share, why bring them in? The SEC aren’t expanding just to expand.
I THINK they would have to fear a scenario where the BIG has more playoff teams and better chances at titles would ultimately affect $$$$.
Point taken. But by taking schools in the south the B10 has a hand here to recruit, while SEC has no counter to in the rest of the country
FSU is a serious football school with multiple national championships, which means deep, deep pockets.
People keep saying this lawsuit is only meaningful if they win it. Sure, that's totally true. But I don't see FSU hiring anything but the very best top-dollar lawyers. And I don't see those lawyers advising FSU to bring suit unless they all agree they have a real strong chance to win this thing in court. Yes, we will have to wait and see if they really win. But I don't think this is a hail-Mary desperation attempt or a shot in the dark.
People keep saying this lawsuit is only meaningful if they win it. Sure, that's totally true. But I don't see FSU hiring anything but the very best top-dollar lawyers. And I don't see those lawyers advising FSU to bring suit unless they all agree they have a real strong chance to win this thing in court. Yes, we will have to wait and see if they really win. But I don't think this is a hail-Mary desperation attempt or a shot in the dark.
Adding an Arizona or a program of that level isn’t going to help the SEC get more teams into the playoffs. It’s got to be a Notre Dame type to be worth expanding outside of the South.
I would still think a school like Arizona would provide value. Maybe I’m wrong.
The only way the SEC adds them is if they add more revenue per school. They have to make the pie big enough to make everyone else’s slice get bigger.
But it’s a moot point, the SEC could have had Zona as soon as the PAC-12 collapsed, but never made a move. That tells me Zon does not have what the SEC is looking for in expansion. None of the former PAC-12 schools do. None of the Big 12 teams do.
The SEC and Big 10 are going to take the ACC schools they want once that conference comes apart. It’s starting to happen with this law suit.
Why would we need to recruit the rest of the country. All the talent is in the South, particularly the Deep South. This heat map shows where recruits hail from:
Every conference Louisville has joined has been destroyed or significantly damaged. I'm not saying that Louisville is the cause of the ACC's death spiral, but it is interesting to note the correlation between Louisville joining a conference and the conference imploding.
Id surely take UVa over VT.
1. Elevates education levels of Conference
2. Provides a strong(er) basketball program
3. Captures TV market in the Richmond/DC area
4. Provides a middle of the road football team
Ultimately, UVa, Duke, UNC, and FSU/Miami would be the best 4 to add IMHO. That would really elevate the SEC in educational standards. Provide a stronger Basketball conference. Add football programs in the "middle of the pack".
1. Elevates education levels of Conference
2. Provides a strong(er) basketball program
3. Captures TV market in the Richmond/DC area
4. Provides a middle of the road football team
Ultimately, UVa, Duke, UNC, and FSU/Miami would be the best 4 to add IMHO. That would really elevate the SEC in educational standards. Provide a stronger Basketball conference. Add football programs in the "middle of the pack".
Why would we need to recruit the rest of the country. All the talent is in the South, particularly the Deep South. This heat map shows where recruits hail from:
There's some untapped recruiting up in Montreal, eh?
Check back in six months when we will know whether ESPN is exercising its option for 2027-2036.
One North Carolina school and one Virginia school would add to the TV market footprint. Duke does not fit. Antiquated facilities. North Carolina as a state thinks of Dukies as a bunch of Yankee interlopers. NC State or UNC bring a lot more to the table. UVA thinks they are too special to join SEC. They care nothing about football. Va Tech who is terrible in football right now would crawl on their knees to get in the SEC is a more likely option. Virginia is the good looking girl in high school who does not realize she is 50 and fat. Va Tech has been choked financially by the ACC media package.
I think SEC’s first choices are UNC and UVA, assuming Notre Dame is out of the question.
The SEC wants the flagship school of each state.
I think the Big 10 is waiting and hoping to get Notre Dame. I am not sure if they add anymore until ND decides to join.
The big question mark is this: if F$U is available and the SEC doesn’t want them, will the Big 10 take them?
I think F$U to the Big 10 is a good move for them. Big name program and adds the state of Florida.
The B1G usually chokes. Michigan lost their coach and they broke many rules to achieve it finally.
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