Florida approves HS Nil

[JDHoss]

I just hope that Pope stays away from those types. Let Piggipari recruit them. I have faith Mark is going to stay away from this crap.

You have faith that Pope will stay away from them? Every kid on our roster is getting NIL money. This kids that Pope brought in are here in no small part because of the money we were able to offer. It's a huge part of what recruiting is now. If Pope stays away from the kids who want money, his tenure at UK may not be as long as Otis Gillispie's was.

As for the kids in Florida, it's been going on for a while now. I'm friends with an assistant football coach at a high school here who lost a 4 star player to another school a couple of years ago. He had it on good authority that the player got $10K and he and his mom got an apartment. He played one year at that school and has moved on to another school for his senior year, and I'm assuming a pay raise. We also had one of our city teams lose 7 starters last year who all transferred to another school, including a 4 star OT and a 4 star LB who is committed to Ohio St. Their team went from being a state title contender in their division to a 3-7 season. Those kids didn't just transfer for the hell of it. It's been going on and now the FHSAA has made it legal.

 

[BlueSince92]

Foly huck this is beyond out of control.

 

[NociHTTP]

You have faith that Pope will stay away from them? Every kid on our roster is getting NIL money. This kids that Pope brought in are here in no small part because of the money we were able to offer. It's a huge part of what recruiting is now. If Pope stays away from the kids who want money, his tenure at UK may not be as long as Otis Gillispie's was.

As for the kids in Florida, it's been going on for a while now. I'm friends with an assistant football coach at a high school here who lost a 4 star player to another school a couple of years ago. He had it on good authority that the player got $10K and he and his mom got an apartment. He played one year at that school and has moved on to another school for his senior year, and I'm assuming a pay raise. We also had one of our city teams lose 7 starters last year who all transferred to another school, including a 4 star OT and a 4 star LB who is committed to Ohio St. Their team went from being a state title contender in their division to a 3-7 season. Those kids didn't just transfer for the hell of it. It's been going on and now the FHSAA has made it legal.

There's a whole lot of people that are not okay with this, and it's going to end up hurting high school athletics. They need to get this away from education, since apparently many of these kids don't care about education and their supporters don't care, either.

 

[DreadLox]

Should they get paid to be in marching band? Chorus? The academic team?

They are making money of their name, image, and likeness. Not their performance on the field.

Imagine a situation where there's an 8th grade phenom. Before, the most recent change in legal thinking, anyone on the street could sell the kid's t-shirts. Except the kid.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Should they get paid to be in marching band? Chorus? The academic team?

If they are sought after and someone wants to pay them , yes

How much profit is being made off high school sports and who is getting the profits?

The thing is, boosters of colleges who want their services in the future will be the ones NIL'ing the high schoolers.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Foly huck this is beyond out of control.

this isnt russia, you dont get to control what people make off their own abilities.

you are acting like its forcing high schools to pay the players. its not, its literally the player cant be punished for making money off his or her own abilities. How is that wrong or out of control?

 

[Cal-4-Three]

True but not 40 hours a week. Their are child labor laws that most fall under until they are 18. Lawyers, agents, leaches, family members will be ruthless and how can you legally bind an 14-15-16 year old to a contract.

Movie stars do it? Singers do it. It can be done.

 

[KYExtemper]

They are making money of their name, image, and likeness. Not their performance on the field.

Imagine a situation where there's an 8th grade phenom. Before, the most recent change in legal thinking, anyone on the street could sell the kid's t-shirts. Except the kid.

Granted. But we know what NIL has come to mean on the collegiate level already and it's clearly pay to play.

 

[BlueSince92]

this isnt russia, you dont get to control what people make off their own abilities.

you are acting like its forcing high schools to pay the players. its not, its literally the player cant be punished for making money off his or her own abilities. How is that wrong or out of control?

Talk to the thread, man. What made you think I personally wanted to have a conversation with you about this?

 

[BBUK]

How much profit is being made off high school sports and who is getting the profits?

Taxpayer funded that I know of, school taxes are the largest part of property taxes as I remember.

 

[BBUK]

I just hope that Pope stays away from those types. Let Piggipari recruit them. I have faith Mark is going to stay away from this crap.

ROTFLCGU 😅

 

[d2atTech]

There's a whole lot of people that are not okay with this, and it's going to end up hurting high school athletics. They need to get this away from education, since apparently many of these kids don't care about education and their supporters don't care, either.

how exactly will it hurt anything? we aren't okay with socialism in the real world, why would we be okay with for our kids in school? not doing this would be the equivalent of saying: "if i can't be prom king, no one can".

 

[BBUK]

The only losers are the ones who keep sticking their noses where they don't belong. I guess people have to have something worth creating an argument or fight over.

Yeah,

I'm a "You do what you want as long as it doesn't affect me." Try to "make" me do things your way...or try to make me PAY for you doing things your way, Houston we have a problem...

 

[NociHTTP]

Yeah,

I'm a "You do what you want as long as it doesn't affect me." Try to "make" me do things your way...or try to make me PAY for you doing things your way, Houston we have a problem...

The problem isn't usually because someone makes you do things another person's way, or pay for them living their own life, though. What the problem usually is, is people who don't like the way someone else is or what they do, and trying to play victim with that dislike. Most people just can't seem to go on about their own lives, without taking issue with what someone else is doing, or when someone needs a helping hand because of people who don't like them.

 

[Bluegrassking]

I just hope that Pope stays away from those types. Let Piggipari recruit them. I have faith Mark is going to stay away from this crap.

I hope he evaluates each player and situation individually but I see no reason to hypothetically "stay away" from any prospect just because they were marketable in high school and got cut a check.

I am all for getting great players thst are good kids that fit the system even if the car lot hires them to do an ad or whatever.

 

[BBUK]

The problem isn't usually because someone makes you do things another person's way, or pay for them living their own life, though. What the problem usually is, is people who don't like the way someone else is or what they do, and trying to play victim with that dislike. Most people just can't seem to go on about their own lives, without taking issue with what someone else is doing, or when someone needs a helping hand because of people who don't like them.

It is a HUGE issue where people now try to MAKE you accept something you do not accept. Victim's of this are getting played thinking they are going to get dough when what really happens is the vultures (Attorney's and their supporters.) swoop down in the name of defending the down-trodden and taking over their cause... the "Down-trodden" then at that exact moment starts receiving pennies on the dollar...

 

[BBUK]

I hope he evaluates each player and situation individually but I see no reason to hypothetically "stay away" from any prospect just because they were marketable in high school and got cut a check.

I am all for getting great players thst are good kids that fit the system even if the car lot hires them to do an ad or whatever.

As long as it doesn't become taxpayer funded... Go for it.... The back pocket players are real good at siphoning money out of tax payer funded programs by the billions...

 

[kb22stang]

OMG, people are allowed to make money off themselves now? WTH is this world coming too!!

Exactly, this is capitalism at it's finest. The people complaining are either (a) worried about "those people" getting paid (b) are socialists. No one forces a business or individual to pay NIL, but if they see a benefit for them/their company, why shouldn't the player be able to reap that reward?

 

[kb22stang]

It is a HUGE issue where people now try to MAKE you accept something you do not accept. Victim's of this are getting played thinking they are going to get dough when what really happens is the vultures (Attorney's and their supporters.) swoop down in the name of defending the down-trodden and taking over their cause... the "Down-trodden" then at that exact moment starts receiving pennies on the dollar...

Please provide current examples of players who are worse off because they received NIL $.

And provide details on who is making you do something, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[NociHTTP]

It is a HUGE issue where people now try to MAKE you accept something you do not accept. Victim's of this are getting played thinking they are going to get dough when what really happens is the vultures (Attorney's and their supporters.) swoop down in the name of defending the down-trodden and taking over their cause... the "Down-trodden" then at that exact moment starts receiving pennies on the dollar...

You just don't like them for whatever reason, and you're trying to make it about you because they're not like you. Bless your heart.

 

[NociHTTP]

I hope he evaluates each player and situation individually but I see no reason to hypothetically "stay away" from any prospect just because they were marketable in high school and got cut a check.

I am all for getting great players thst are good kids that fit the system even if the car lot hires them to do an ad or whatever.

I'm old, in my opinion anyway, set in my ways. I was raised on the whole sports track being like this:

- play sport from the time you're a little kid
- make high school team
- get college or university scholarship where you are paid via that scholarship
- get drafted into professional league where you are paid money that goes to bank

I will never be okay with this idea of college players being payed to play, especially not high schoolers. It goes against what I think should be important to kyds at certain stages of their lives, and the setting they're in. If I reach a point where I've had enough, at least my memories will be of a better time in sports.

 

[BBUK]

Please provide current examples of players who are worse off because they received NIL $.

And provide details on who is making you do something, I'm genuinely curious.

Uh, am I funding gender changing surgeries with my tax dollars??? Yes...

Need more examples for your ignorance to be satisfied? Many many more but in reality that is enough. 25 million illegal people are in this country at a minimum. Were it not for that exact issue would eggs be 3 to 5 dollars a dozen? No they would not. Would gas be $3.50 a gallon? (It is still the old principal of supply and demand but the demand is up and being funded with citizen tax dollars nefariously.) Nope I will answer it for you again, no they and it would not. "We'd" be paying more near a $1.60 or so a gallon if it were not for illegals in the United States. Health care costs? Do you really want to go there... Yeah you probably do and want me to explain it for you too right?

Children get gender changing surgeries over how they feel or more likely are "told/ taught" to feel... there are two genders, period. Get over the feelings. There are some serious deviants getting there way in areas they never should.

Are you still genuine? Genuinely curious? I did this one time. I will not waste my time again as I have a good "feeling" you knew this anyway... I do not waste time with anyone more than once.

 

[bbncal02]

im all for this. let free markets reign. no different than child movie stars.

Yeah, we see how that works out for some of them.

People asking what the difference is? In HS, they aren't legally adults, usually until the very end of their HS stint.

A child cannot legally enter any kind of contract. Therefore, parents will have to do the negotiating. That's gonna open up another can of worms. If kids are making major money, can they be taxed? As it stands now, if a teen works a job they file with their parents (in most situations). Are parents ready to take on that burden?

This one is gonna get interesting. The contracts will also have to include academic standards, and kids will not be able to skip classes to focus on sports at public schools as it is a legal requirement for educational state law.

Just what the world needs. More laws and potential lawsuits.

 

[bbncal02]

I don’t have an issue with people getting paid. I’d never pay a hs player, but someone out there will be okay doing it.

Going be a headache for coaches though. NIL pushed out some of the best college coaches, will do the same on the hs level now.

This.

THere's already a TON on inequality in high school sports. It will kill rural high school sports if it goes through. Why should I stay at A-HS if I can transfer to B-HS in a bigger city if I can make money?

Seeing a kid rise through the ranks of a poor country school is about to die and being a hometown hero will all but end.

I'm perfectly fine with college players getting NIL (they are on TV a lot more, they have their own named team gear being sold). This? This will kill the classic Friday night American small town sports.

I HATE what we've become. HATE IT. We've become a society of me first money grubbing soulless people.

And it's permeating EVERY field. I've interviewed CyberSec Majors for paid IT Internships that couldn't even tell me how networks work. What DNS is. One couldn't even tell me what a switch was and how it functioned? They expected to waltz right into a 6 figure gig and not know the basics of the field they're entering! That's a slight tangent but damn. No one cares about the work anymore. It's all about "What can you do for me?!" Money isn't evil on it's own, but if that's ALL you care about? I promise you, your life will be empty.

 

[UKBlueBlood]

Admittedly I did not want to spend time reading the whole linked article that started this thread.

But this sounds like what NIL was actually intended to be, regardless of whether it involves HS or college athletes. So I don’t really care at all if some HS kid has a chance to earn some cash doing promotions or selling t-shirts, or whatever. And frankly I’m not sure if I understand why a “rule change” was even needed. It was never against any rules as far as I’m concerned.

Of course, this is entirely different than what is now going on in college athletics, which is anything but what NIL is supposed to be. That landscape is a train wreck.

 

[bbncal02]

how exactly will it hurt anything? we aren't okay with socialism in the real world, why would we be okay with for our kids in school? not doing this would be the equivalent of saying: "if i can't be prom king, no one can".

Because people under 18 aren't adults? Can't enter legal contracts? Hell, can't even vote.

A major problem in our society right now is that kids are treated too much like adults. It's why were seeing the disrespect in schools to teachers and other adults. Sure, there's always gonna be crappy adults, but for the most part, teachers and principals care about kids. And want to help educate them. The problem is now every kid has a phone, or is exposed to stuff they should be exposed to. Their brains literally cannot handle a lot of it. Adults have many years of life experience that they can temper their surroundings with.

I'm not saying that teenagers shouldn't be exposed to growing up, but this is going to put even more strain on them. If I'm paying Player A, X amount of Dollars, do I get to be harsh to him if he sucks at a game? If this goes through, are you gonna be ok with fans booing 16 year old kids because "hey, they're getting paid now".

 

[Mr. Stratford]

Uh, am I funding gender changing surgeries with my tax dollars??? Yes...

Need more examples for your ignorance to be satisfied? Many many more but in reality that is enough. 25 million illegal people are in this country at a minimum. Were it not for that exact issue would eggs be 3 to 5 dollars a dozen? No they would not. Would gas be $3.50 a gallon? (It is still the old principal of supply and demand but the demand is up and being funded with citizen tax dollars nefariously.) Nope I will answer it for you again, no they and it would not. "We'd" be paying more near a $1.60 or so a gallon if it were not for illegals in the United States. Health care costs? Do you really want to go there... Yeah you probably do and want me to explain it for you too right?

Children get gender changing surgeries over how they feel or more likely are "told/ taught" to feel... there are two genders, period. Get over the feelings. There are some serious deviants getting there way in areas they never should.

Are you still genuine? Genuinely curious? I did this one time. I will not waste my time again as I have a good "feeling" you knew this anyway... I do not waste time with anyone except once.

 

[BBUK]

A horse laughing fool has an account. An easy block...

 

[Mr. Stratford]

Because people under 18 aren't adults? Can't enter legal contracts? Hell, can't even vote.

A major problem in our society right now is that kids are treated too much like adults. It's why were seeing the disrespect in schools to teachers and other adults. Sure, there's always gonna be crappy adults, but for the most part, teachers and principals care about kids. And want to help educate them. The problem is now every kid has a phone, or is exposed to stuff they should be exposed to. Their brains literally cannot handle a lot of it. Adults have many years of life experience that they can temper their surroundings with.

I'm not saying that teenagers shouldn't be exposed to growing up, but this is going to put even more strain on them. If I'm paying Player A, X amount of Dollars, do I get to be harsh to him if he sucks at a game? If this goes through, are you gonna be ok with fans booing 16 year old kids because "hey, they're getting paid now".

Parents/guardians can enter contracts on behalf of minors. If it's a type of employment, a contract may not be necessary. And some high school students are 18 or older.

Kids have been "disrespectful" to adults since the beginning of time. Getting paid has little to nothing to do with it.

Why would you need to be harsh to them? Wouldn't you just not sign them to future deals instead?

Fans already boo 16 year olds. At least this way they can get paid for it.

 

[d2atTech]

Because people under 18 aren't adults? Can't enter legal contracts? Hell, can't even vote.

A major problem in our society right now is that kids are treated too much like adults. It's why were seeing the disrespect in schools to teachers and other adults. Sure, there's always gonna be crappy adults, but for the most part, teachers and principals care about kids. And want to help educate them. The problem is now every kid has a phone, or is exposed to stuff they should be exposed to. Their brains literally cannot handle a lot of it. Adults have many years of life experience that they can temper their surroundings with.

I'm not saying that teenagers shouldn't be exposed to growing up, but this is going to put even more strain on them. If I'm paying Player A, X amount of Dollars, do I get to be harsh to him if he sucks at a game? If this goes through, are you gonna be ok with fans booing 16 year old kids because "hey, they're getting paid now".

Man, both my wife and I worked during hs. It's just we made 4$/hr. I'd much rather have been an NIL kid if I was famous enough.

I'm sure a ton of you all on this thread worked during school too. Respect and work ethic would increase when they work and are rewarded for it.

 

[bbncal02]

Man, both my wife and I worked during hs. It's just we made 4$/hr. I'd much rather have been an NIL kid if I was famous enough.

I'm sure a ton of you all on this thread worked during school too. Respect and work ethic would increase when they work and are rewarded for it.

I didn't. Between class, band, choir, tech and what little social life I had, I didn't have time.

 

[bbncal02]

Parents/guardians can enter contracts on behalf of minors. If it's a type of employment, a contract may not be necessary. And some high school students are 18 or older.

Kids have been "disrespectful" to adults since the beginning of time. Getting paid has little to nothing to do with it.

Why would you need to be harsh to them? Wouldn't you just not sign them to future deals instead?

Fans already boo 16 year olds. At least this way they can get paid for it.

Where the heck are you watching people boo 16 year olds? Only time I saw that happen was if an opposing player made a dirty play/late hit. It never happened any other time really. Now you might boo the refs or MAYBE when the opposing team runs out, but that's different from directly booing a player's performance.

Pretty crappy behavior tbh.

The point about "disrespect" was there's already no discipline. Add in make a lot of money to play ball and they will feel they have no incentive to do anything but that.

There's going to have to be contracts or at the very least some kind of written agreements.

Also this: "Generally speaking, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets the minimum age for employment (14 years for non-agricultural jobs), restricts the hours youth under the age of 16 may work, and prohibits youth under the age of 18 from being employed in hazardous occupations."

So if they're under 16 they can only work so many hours without violating federal law. And it also states when they can work during school sessions as well. And that last line is key. "Hazardous occupations". A child under the age of 18 can't be employed in a field where they could be easily injured. I could see someone claiming playing football especially being a "hazardous" occupation".

Point being, it's even more complex than college NIL. As most of the recipients of that NIL are over 18 and legal adults. It's not going to be as black and white as some are thinking it's going to be.

 

[KYExtemper]

how exactly will it hurt anything? we aren't okay with socialism in the real world, why would we be okay with for our kids in school? not doing this would be the equivalent of saying: "if i can't be prom king, no one can".

My issue here is that in sports you actually need socialism if you want competitive balance. Like the NFL & NHL have a salary cap. That's socialistic. But the reason it exists is so you don't have the big market teams buying up all the talent, which would kill parity and make people check out on th lower ranked squads. Baseball has this issue but some of it is mitigated a little by the luxury tax. Still, look at the success of the Dodgers/Yankees versus the Reds over the last 20 years.

In a wild, wild, west, capitalistic, free market setup you'd get LOTS of lopsidedness in sports and we're about to see a lot of that play out in the college game and elsewhere without any regulation.

But again, NIL is supposed to be different from a salary. It was sold as "Hey, get money for your name on a jersey, your face on a t-shirt, your likeness in a commercial, money for doing an autograph signing." However, it's become a license to pay players to circumvent universities collegiately so long as they'll sign somewhere. It's been abused since day 1 and I don't see the NCAA or state bodies doing anything to stop it, largely because of court challenges or a lack of will.

 

[AJG-15]

So a teenager can work in a restaurant or cut grass to make some money but is not fair to make some money if he /she is good at sports?

 

[3632]

I get the debate on the subject but not sure why the finger pointing at Florida. They are actually behind other states. It already exists in KY. The smith twins that moved back from the northeast to play fb at Corbin were given vehicles from a local dealership etc as a part of NIL ‘benefits’. Schools like lca have whatever version of a high school collective is where they find ways to subsidize the tuition a transfer has to pay through these back door nil ways. If you think FL is destroying the system the reality is other states have already done this in prior couple of seasons.

 

[Mr. Stratford]

Where the heck are you watching people boo 16 year olds? Only time I saw that happen was if an opposing player made a dirty play/late hit. It never happened any other time really. Now you might boo the refs or MAYBE when the opposing team runs out, but that's different from directly booing a player's performance.

Pretty crappy behavior tbh.

The point about "disrespect" was there's already no discipline. Add in make a lot of money to play ball and they will feel they have no incentive to do anything but that.

There's going to have to be contracts or at the very least some kind of written agreements.

Also this: "Generally speaking, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets the minimum age for employment (14 years for non-agricultural jobs), restricts the hours youth under the age of 16 may work, and prohibits youth under the age of 18 from being employed in hazardous occupations."

So if they're under 16 they can only work so many hours without violating federal law. And it also states when they can work during school sessions as well. And that last line is key. "Hazardous occupations". A child under the age of 18 can't be employed in a field where they could be easily injured. I could see someone claiming playing football especially being a "hazardous" occupation".

Point being, it's even more complex than college NIL. As most of the recipients of that NIL are over 18 and legal adults. It's not going to be as black and white as some are thinking it's going to be.

Clearly you don't go to many high school games.

Sure they have incentive to do more than just basketball. Don't you need a high school diploma to play in college or make it to the NBA? There's also incentive to earn deals. Most businesses aren't going to be eager to represent poor behavior.

Not really. I work for my employer everyday without a contract. I did the same thing when I was a minor.

The hours restriction is only during the school week. Generally, weekends, summer, holidays and so forth, students can work normal hours. There are usually restrictions that they can't work past a certain hour. But, lol, are you thinking they would need that many hours to film a commercial, make an appearance or sign some autographs?

Why would high school football be deemed a hazardous occupation? They aren't employed by the school and the school isn’t paying them. So it’s an extracurricular activity, not an occupation.

It's not that difficult at all, unless you just want to pretend it is. You do realize Reed had several HS NIL deals, right? Were you as concerned then?

 

[MrHotDice]

that’s what i said when the nil started—lawyers are going to be the big winners
but if somebody wants to pay kids of any age to play sports i say have at it, as long as it doesn’t cost me anything. if ticket prices and fees for kids to play are going to increase because of nil then fans and parents can simply be guided by their pocketbooks.

Like Red Lobster, and all the other companies that have filed for bankrupcy protection? Those companies have guided patrons right out the door.

 

[natchezrule]

Complete horse dung

 

[natchezrule]

OMG, people are allowed to make money off themselves now? WTH is this world coming too!!

Thumbs down

 

[natchezrule]

Are hs students exempt from earning money in your version of America?

Yes, for playing sports. Yes