ESPN still hasn't updated our roster
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Absolutely all you guys are right. Duke and to a lesser extent N.C. get ridiculous favoritism. But they could not ignore us last year until the Wisconsin game. I personally thought the season long "PURSUIT OF PERFECTION" publicity was pretty cool and impossible to ignore. I thought we got some decent ink.
All except the few who are "too damn cool" to buy into reality.
Everything is fair in their eyes. Lol.
Reality? You know this factually? That's good. I think you stand to come into a lot of money. You are basically accusing ESPN of totally lacking journalistic integrity. Competing sports outlets would pay a lot of money for that data. It would be worth even more if it were conspiratorial in nature.
But you can't prove anything that would hold up under scrutiny. You can't demonstrate a solid case that they are undermining Kentucky nor that they are tearing everyone else down while building up only those two teams. I think there's little doubt that Duke and INC sells good so they get covered. ESPN is a business. We sell good so we get coverage too. ESPN does what makes them money. Period.
What I, Joe Cool, thinks is that we have a segment of the fanbase that get their panties in a wad if all Kentucky articles aren't good and all other coverage isn't bad. That same group gets upset when one or more talking heads generate hits by pushing the buttons of certain of our fans. Why do they do that? Because its TOO easy.
Grow up.
Yea, not period.
Go find people on this board who think like you on the topic. You're damn near on an island.
There is real bias in favor of Duke and UNC. I don't need data, lol, because it's right In front of me. Then I speak to other people, not just UK fans, and they see it. I mean, hell, ESPN has had to openly address the bias. Even jay bilas feels the need to exain it away every year.
This isn't about conspiracies or aliens. In your world of fairness, would UK be treated the same way by the NCAA if we reversed the roles with UNC? Yes or no, I surely don't need your long winded conspiracy garbage that only you are saying. Would we be treated the same?
For the record, I'm not talking about the hating . I'm talking about the open favoritism for Duke and UNC with the media and the NCAA.you are talking about a different matter all together because you can't answer the direct question without using hyperbole. Does the favoritism exist. Yes or no.
You don't believe it exist. Enjoy your fairy land.
And don't give me the "they cover us just as much" argument. That's complete garbage. They own the sec rights and make lots of money off of us. That has NOTHING to do with the topic and is just another red herring to deflect from the actual topic.
You don't believe it exist. Enjoy your fairy land.
And don't give me the "they cover us just as much" argument. That's complete garbage. They own the sec rights and make lots of money off of us. That has NOTHING to do with the topic and is just another red herring to deflect from the actual topic.
You don't need to believe that ESPN has anything against UK, and I don't on the whole (but certain people there definitely do), to acknowledge that there is an obvious ACC/Duke/UNCheat bias. The hiring practice of on-air talent alone shows you that. Then you have John Saunders taking every chance he gets to claim Williams is innocent, and then there is the virtual complete refusal to cover the largest academic scandal in NCAA history. But, nah, there's no bias there.
There is so much fire to the thought of bias for the ACC/northeast as a whole that to deny it makes one look like a complete fool.
No matter how many straw men he wants to create.
Two posts, one answer.
First, you need to get through your head that ESPN <> NCAA. ESPN is a business based on sports media that knows how to play you like a symphony. The NCAA is a bunch of incompetent fools that has a ethically bankrupt member institution that they worry is "too big to fail". Completely separate entities, Completely separate issues. I've written extensively on the NCAA and my opinion of them. Its been there for all to see. Your bringing my discussion of the NCAA into the context of ESPN suggest your reading skills are lacking. I can't help you there. I think they offer courses, though I'd avoid North Carolina.
ESPN does what it does to make money. DOH!!!! That means more coverage for the schools that sell the best. As I noted, you can't prove bias because if you or anyone else could, the competing media would splatter it all over the sports headlines. Why? Money. DOH!!!!
If you'd take off that foil hat and actually read, you might have a better grasp of this. There is no conspiracy. There is only a money grubbing conglomerate making you and unfortunately the rest of us look like fools. There is also a band of bumbling buffoons (NCAA) letting a degenerate institution expose them for what they are. The NCAA is afraid. Any fool can see it.
All I'm saying is pull off the foil turban, save money on Reynolds Wrap and quit giving the sports outlets the ammo to make us look stupid. Now I'm not naïve, I know you won't. You'll keep whining. You'll try to blend in. And you'll help ESPN make us all look silly.
Heck, maybe I should just invest in aluminum mining.
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I'm combing the issues Einstein. Mainly because they are very similar and there's no need to separate it. ESPN seems to be an extension of the "ncaa" way nowadays when it pertains to UNC, Duke, or the Northeast programs in general. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the media in this country is as corrupt as Obama nowadays. What would you really expect them to do in this situation?
BREAKING NEWS!!!! THE NCAA AND US (ESPN) DONT LIKE UK, AND WANT UNC TO SKATE FREE!!!
You literally move the goal post on the topic and use your little straw man to debate. That's fine, as it is, after all, extremely hard to equate "fairness" with the NCAA and the ESPN sport media world.
BREAKING NEWS!!!! THE NCAA AND US (ESPN) DONT LIKE UK, AND WANT UNC TO SKATE FREE!!!
You literally move the goal post on the topic and use your little straw man to debate. That's fine, as it is, after all, extremely hard to equate "fairness" with the NCAA and the ESPN sport media world.
Hey kybassfan, are you capable of posting anything without your tired "tin foil hat" nonsense? Seriously, dude, give it a freaking rest already.
No one who is serious about this issue thinks its necessarily a "conspiracy" although I think it borderlines the notion when Duke is exempt from tournament rules. He goes there because he can't debate it on the merits. I mean, the guy wants me to prove "favoritism" for Duke and UNC . Gotta love rafters.
This is about the lack of fairness and the favoritism as it pertains to UNC, Duke etc or even as you stated correctly, the NE media in general. Of course it's real, and I'll leave it to KYbassfan to finish this off because debating a UK fan on media and ncaa bias is weird, unusual, and not worth the time.
At least KYbassfan got to insert his "ncaa article" that he wrote for bleacher report. He gets to keep his viagra in the desk for a few more days.
What, you channel these conspiracies without a hat. Now that is truly impressive. I didn't think this sort of drivel could be concocted without help.
What NCAA article? What I've written, I've written here.
I like how you've changed your tone. At first it was a conspiracy against UK. Now its just a Duke and INC favoritism trend.
And what do you think really is going on? There's a Duke and INC fan club hidden within the bowels of ESPN? That the talking heads have performance commitments with metrics for Duke and INC fluff and on air mentions? That's the sort of stupid behavior you are suggesting.
And what the hell do ESPN and the NCAA have to do with each other? Are you saying ESPN is somehow caught up in infractions committee decisions? Are you saying that the NCAA is somehow orchestrating the coverage of the INC infractions? I'd love to hear proof of any of this. I'm not talking drivel, I'm talking hard proof. Quotes, dates, letters? No? Nothing? Didn't think so.
You don't have it. Nobody does. The two are not connected. What you are doing is just trivializing the very serious lack of academic integrity in INC. There are specific allegations. There are two specific bodies which have governance, the NCAA and SACS. All eyes are on the NCAA as SACS has acted. Anything else is tripe you've dreamed up. ESPN only comes into play when news is made by the actions (or lack thereof) by the NCAA. We won't see that for another year, most likely.
And so what do you expect? ESPN to put a daily banner on their web site to the effect of INC SUCKS? That would serve to get them sued. Are you stupid enough to make that sort of business decision? Maybe?
As I said before. GROW UP! The news is about academic scandal and the actions to be taken by the governance boards. To expect an op-ed every day, every week or even every six months is naïve and silly. ESPN is leading you around like a pig with a nose ring.
Now Chuck, I know that they aren't saying what we want them to say but . . .
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/82589/larry-fedora-sounds-off-on-north-carolina-scandal
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/82459/unc-charged-with-lack-of-institutional-control
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...th-carolina-tar-heels-five-serious-violations
That's just three I picked. A simple search of the string "North Carolina Scandal" returned 71 links and I picked the three above from the first page. Now admittedly, I wish they were more damning than they are. They recently stress women's basketball and men's soccer, but that's more a "news out of INC" than a fault of ESPN. They most assuredly cover the SACS findings which is the only competent governance team at work. As we know, the NCAA is proving itself to be cowardly and incompetent.
<Now the rest of this is not directed at Chuck but to the general notion that ESPN is "out to get us".>
That said, is there an indisputable bias and blatant attempt to cover up the scandal? This information doesn't support that position. Could they be more aggressive in the Op Eds and talking head commentary? Certainly. Would that approach put more dollars in ESPN's pocket? Not likely. If it doesn't put more money in ESPNs pocket, then why would they put themselves in any legal peril if the NCAA cops out? They wouldn't.
Now, what nobody is discussing and what drives me batty is why the independent media, in particular the state media hasn't savaged INC like a bunch of rabid dogs. Preacher has touched on this in other threads. There is where your bias and conspiracy lies. The local media is clearly practicing homerism and sweeping crap under the carpet faster than INC can produce it. My take is this accounts for some of the perceived soft shoe on the part of ESPN as the local media often drives the national outlets in more than just basketball.
I'll further say that UK does NOT enjoy this luxury since we have local media all to happy to gut us like a fish. Tipton is very happy to crap all over the cats. Also, this board on more than one occasion has given unscrupulous pencil heads ammunition to use against the cats.
So there you go. At least one plausible explanation for the perceived bias on the part of ESPN. I'm sure there are better ones. Lots better than ESPN loves INC and Duke and hates us.
ESPN loves money.
Good Lord, are you seriously denying ESPN has ignored the UNCheat scandal? The last few times there has been major news about this, there was NOT ONE mention on any of their afternoon shows, and I didn't hear about any on their morning shows but it wouldn't surprise me, for the entire week. The first time it happened, we heard that it broke late in the day and they already had their agenda for those shows done, and then nothing the following day, or the day after, and so on. Bilas, who is great on NCAA issues and is as fair as they come, has been pretty much silent on this issue. The leader at ESPN is a UNCheat grad, and the only person over there that has really dared devote any time to it is Bob Ley, whose been there from the start and isn't afraid to do what he wants. It just blows my mind that anyone would seriously contend that ESPN has not been painfully inept at covering this scandal.
Assuming you can read, search ESPN yourself. I did one single search. Came up with 71 hits. Now you can whine that the talking head you want to hear from isn't talking. Can't help you there. Guess you can send him a whiney note and ask him why he doesn't whine with you.
You want to see aliens, see aliens. Just don't act surprised if the normal folks that don't see them look at you funny.
Look at the dates on those links. When the story first broke, they didn't report anything about it.
Of course not. They were on the first page. Most recent ones. There were 71 in total. 4 pages worth. I didn't check all 71. Feel free if you like. I probably read most of them months ago so I don't plan to do it again. That's how I knew they had written on it in the first place.
Now if you are going to nit pick. There will always be a talking head that didn't speak up quick enough, harsh enough or prolifically enough. Among those, you should be able to rationalize any story you like. However, ESPN did, in fact, cover the story. They did several times. They are nothing more than a news outlet.
The group you are pissed off at is called the NCAA. ESPN is simply covering a story in a way to bring them best financial advantage. You believe what you like. I'm gonna stick to facts. Those will bring the scum at INC to justice. I want them stripped of games and titles. I want them humiliated. That's what I want. I could give two whoops what some talking heads have to say to turn a buck or get some hits. I'm a lot more worried that the cowards in the NCAA will run instead of act.
You should be too.
The fact that you resort to insults in every single post, says volumes about you. You're also disingenuous in pointing to online articles, when the vast majority of people get their sports news from TV. Next time there is a major terrorist attack, are you gonna run to CNN.com? Ok, I'm done talking to someone who can't admit facts that are plain to see by anyone with an ounce of rational thought.
So you think it was inappropriate to respond to a comment regarding ESPN coverage with ESPN articles? Are you seriously stating the only news that counts is TV news? REALLY? All this hoopla over ESPN is because they didn't bash nc on TV? That is hysterically funny. I've read several of Chuck's posts. He's a pretty bright guy. I doubt that's what he meant.
Given that bit of obvious insanity, I'm not sure I'm all that confident in your assessment of rationality.
And yes, the next terrorist attack, God forbid, I'll go to cnn.com, Fox News, usatoday, Washington Post and every other shred of information I can lay my hands, eyes and fingers on. I respect your decision to rely on that infinite font of knowledge, however, SportsCenter.
I do give you credit. That was the wackiest post I ever read. And shame on you for bringing a tragic thing like terrorism into this. Bad form!
1. I heard on the elite 24 game that foreign kids aren't on the top 100 so they wouldnt count Murray or Wynyard anyways.
2. Humphries reclassifying would probably make him around 40th-60th in this years class according to ESPN so that wouldnt push us over Duke anyways.
We know we have the better class...... thats all that matters.
i've seen some concede that Duke had the better class last year and thats garbage. we went 38-1 with a final four ... 1, 12 and 13 draft picks from that class and Duke went 35-4, a title and 3, 10 and 24. at the very least that ties it until 5 years down the road to see who does better in the NBA.
2. Humphries reclassifying would probably make him around 40th-60th in this years class according to ESPN so that wouldnt push us over Duke anyways.
We know we have the better class...... thats all that matters.
i've seen some concede that Duke had the better class last year and thats garbage. we went 38-1 with a final four ... 1, 12 and 13 draft picks from that class and Duke went 35-4, a title and 3, 10 and 24. at the very least that ties it until 5 years down the road to see who does better in the NBA.
ESPN is control by University of North Carolina alumni, that why they shut door on UNC cheating. I wonder if the board of trustee are all UNC alumni also, if so it will never change.
Sad world that this is going on.
There was numerous posts on here regarding the "no coverage" by ESPN. I don't know where bassfan was at the time.
Apparently reading their numerous articles. You know, he's so erudite and we peasants just sit around watching the idiot tube apparently.
But we've demonstrated that they covered it, right? That claim has been proven false.
Maybe folks didn't like the words. Maybe it wasn't a given talking head. Maybe it wasn't the exact timing expected. But they covered it.
Semantics. You know what we are talking about. When the story broke, many other outlets reported on it, but not ESPN. Yeah, they reported on it much later, but didn't when it broke. sheesh!
Actually, I can respect that perspective even if it is totally wrong. You agree that they covered it. It just wasn't in the time frame you wanted to see. That's better than the Silence of the Lambs guy or whatever his name was. I guess for him, it didn't count unless it was covered during sports center.
My whole point in dragging this out is to show that ESPN is, in fact, not the news. The academic fraud and the scum like deflection and cover up on the part of INC is the news. The failure to date on the part of the NCAA to fulfill its obligations and see justice done on INC is news. The big gap is the NCAA's failure to act.
ESPN would be news if there were credible evidence of their complicity in the cover up. We know that evidence of ESPN involvement doesn't exist or is meticulously concealed because independent outlets would seize on this. Silence would even be able to see that on TV, though I expect Sportscenter might be a bit shy in that regard.
I really want to see INC punished appropriately or I want to see the NCAA humiliated by other member institutions.. Whether it is covered on ESPN or not is irrelevant.
It would sure be nice if we could get back on track in this thread and find out why ESPN has not updated the damned rankings.
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