duke is going to have "chemistry" problems
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K is ruining basketball with his hired one year mercenaries. I hate his one and done NBA factory.
Don't think so.......K has been known to dismiss those people......see last year...(Sulamon) sp?
Yeah I hate is motto, "Get used and proceed"! I know it doesn't rhyme but Coach K was never known for racking up style points.
Hardly. K gets to be around these kids way more than almost all other potential coaches with their recruits. Not only does it give him an advantage signing them, it also gives him an advantage because he gets extra insight to them as a player, person, teammate, etc.
Its huge.
Guys, give it a rest. Watch some more footage of our own players or something. Get excited for Kentucky.
And AGAIN I will leave you with this: Coach K and Duke don't have many years left. 5-8 max I'd say, but it could be much sooner. And honestly I see him, like anyone else that ages, start to lose his edge. Happens to everyone. So relish the fact that we only have a few more years of Duke and Coach K's bullshit. They won't catch us in titles, and they won't catch us in wins, and once he's gone, Duke just won't matter nearly as much. These are facts.
Oh and.. Lehigh and Mercer.
And AGAIN I will leave you with this: Coach K and Duke don't have many years left. 5-8 max I'd say, but it could be much sooner. And honestly I see him, like anyone else that ages, start to lose his edge. Happens to everyone. So relish the fact that we only have a few more years of Duke and Coach K's bullshit. They won't catch us in titles, and they won't catch us in wins, and once he's gone, Duke just won't matter nearly as much. These are facts.
Oh and.. Lehigh and Mercer.
I can't get over them stealing two titles from us. The John Wall team and last year's team gift wrapped two titles for K. We could and should be sitting with 10 natties right now.
It's more like insecurity. And I don't see what UK fans have to feel insecure about in relation to any other college basketball program.
This is just a flat-out lie. The coaches that get to be around these kids way more than almost all other coaches are Sean Miller of Arizona and the coaches of the U-19 team. K isn't around the high school kids on Team USA at all.
Why does everyone bitch and moan about K coaching the NBA guys, when Sean Miller is the one who is actually around and coaching up the high school kids playing USA basketball? No one talks about Arizona having an unfair advantage...
to answer the op. i highly doubt it. k got rid of a cancer just last year, and then won the title following the dismissal. '10 was also because of good chemistry. they had a bunch role players and a couple glue guys like singler. nothing special.
it is true that when k gets a loaded team, but with mostly young players at key positions, like in '00, '05, '06, '11, '12, '14, he has trouble managing the depth into a tight machine. and that's a problem that has plagued every coach at some point. but it's a good problem to have. and i mean if they could take such a roster before every season they would. the days of the four year hurley and hills are gone and the best coaches at the top schools know this.
it is true that when k gets a loaded team, but with mostly young players at key positions, like in '00, '05, '06, '11, '12, '14, he has trouble managing the depth into a tight machine. and that's a problem that has plagued every coach at some point. but it's a good problem to have. and i mean if they could take such a roster before every season they would. the days of the four year hurley and hills are gone and the best coaches at the top schools know this.
since K has been at Duke, how many times have they had chemistry problems?
K has been able to avoid chemistry problems, but he is also exploring unchartered waters when it comes to this new recruiting philosophy. This is the part I don't think Cal get enough credit for. Managing the roster from year to year with so much uncertainty as to who will stay and who will go. Not saying he cant do it, but he has not been down this path yet.
I get it. At least, I think I get what you're doing.
Duke has one 2016 commitment. Is Tatum going to have a chemistry problem with himself?
Its absolutely true. The fact you deny K is getting extra access strips you of any credibility you might have otherwised enjoyed.
I dont think the Millers should be able to hold the position either. Sean Miller has seen a bump in recruiting for sure at AU, but K is the one whos leveraged the position to the max.
'00, '12, and '14 were definitely young teams.
'05, '06, and '11 weren't really that young. Especially '05 and '06. '05 featured a senior Daniel Ewing and juniors J.J. Redick and Shelden Williams. The '06 team had freshmen Paulus and McRoberts starting, but overall that team wasn't that young. Irving was the only freshman who played on the 2011 team. That team did feature a number of sophomores (Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly, Seth Curry, Andre Dawkins), but also had two senior studs in Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith.
I'm not really sure what your point is though about pointing out those 6 specific teams. The 2007 Duke team was by far the youngest we had in that mid-2000s stretch. That team was way younger than '05 and '06 by a long shot. Also younger than '00 and arguably '12 and '14.
Out of those seasons you listed, 2006 and 2011 were the only two seasons where Duke actually had a legit chance to make a Final Four and win it all. The '12 and '14 seasons ended embarrassingly in the 1st round, but as far as regular season records, they were about what I'd expect for teams that young. There was just no way either of those teams were going to make a deep run. Jabari Parker was the best center on the team in 2014 and Austin Rivers was the best PG on the 2012 team. That just shows you right there how those two teams had inherent weaknesses.
K is hardly ever around the high school USA players dude. I don't know what else to tell you. K is not involved at all in the U-19 USA teams. That is all Sean Miller and his staff. K has "notoriety" because of being head coach of the big boys, but he does not get extra access to the high school players.
Please link me multiple articles and/or documentation of K being around and getting extra access to high school players on Team USA. You don't think these USA practices and try-outs are heavily documented? There are cameras and reporters everywhere. If K was always around the high school kids at Team USA events, you'd know it and see it. K is NEVER around at the amateur USA events and try-outs.
By losing? It's a shame those games never happened, but it's certainly not Duke's fault in either instance.
Well, K isn't trying to have 3+ 1-and-dones every year, so it's not like we're going to have a new roster every year. This past year is more the exception than the rule. I think most years it will be like 2011, 2012, and 2014, where we had one 1-and-done guy and then the rest multi-year players.
K isn't trying to copy John Calipari's model, no matter how much y'all want to tell yourselves that he is. K has always recruited the best of the best. Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Jason Williams, Corey Maggette, Luol Deng... all top 5 players that would be considered "1-and-done" guys in today's era (and Maggette and Deng actually were). K has always recruited studs.
Nick, if Coach K isn't trying to have 3 or more one and dones per year then why does he keep offering scholarships to all of the one and dones that Calipari has offered?
Seeing as K can coach a team full of NBA superstars and get them to play together, I think he'll be ok.
Cmon duke guys. This isnt just about K. It is about what you get when you go after the top 20 recruits. They all have in their mind the idea of leaving after one year. It is just a different time. If K is going after the top guys then he will absolutely have to deal with what Cal has been dealing with. And you are absolute idiots if you don't think k is selling going after when year in their living rooms. If he isn't then they wont come. It is just the nature of those top guys now. And if you don't think winning the title with 3 one and dones wont set it up for future recruits to have that in mind then you are foolish.
Lol is that so?
Even if thats true, hes around them more than other coaches not on the staff.
08 Florida - lost all starters
09 Kansas - lost 4 starters
10 UNC - lost all but 1 starter
11 duke - returned 3 starters and 5 of top 8
12 UConn - returned all but 1 starter
13 UK - lost all starters
14 UofL - lost only 2 players
15 UConn - lost 3 starters
16 duke - lost all starters
There is a trend here...
09 Kansas - lost 4 starters
10 UNC - lost all but 1 starter
11 duke - returned 3 starters and 5 of top 8
12 UConn - returned all but 1 starter
13 UK - lost all starters
14 UofL - lost only 2 players
15 UConn - lost 3 starters
16 duke - lost all starters
There is a trend here...
so what did i say incorrect? paulus was the pg. mcroberts pf. kind of important positions. and both were macdonald's all-americans as freshman. i'll agree on no final four chance in 13-14 maybe but you were ranked all year and got two seeds so...
Cmon man, that's what rival fans say about us every year. Cal and K have proven they can get kids to sacrifice for the betterment of the team.
Am i the only one, besides wildcatcorner, thinking the OP was being sarcastic and all you guys took the hook?
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I don't care how good people think Coach K is... running brand new teams, where the players don't know the coaches, fellow players, or the college game, is never going to be easy. Coach K will once in a while have a knuckle-head or a recruit who takes a bit longer to round the corner, just like Cal has had.
I know it's a crazy concept, but Coach K isn't the pope.
I know it's a crazy concept, but Coach K isn't the pope.
This...lawdy...I think OP is spoofing on how UK gets the "chemistry" issue every year....many from RR
Just to go on record(if I haven't already) I have no issue with the OAD thing. Also Duke has had an OAD guy three of the last four years (six in all in this time frame.) so this isn't exactly a new thing for Duke. Rewind 11 years back, Luol Deng was OAD. I guess the only new aspect of it for Duke is having multiple OAD kids off one team but also recruiting isn't an exact science either. You can't always say with 100% certainty who is an OAD guy. I would imagine the staff felt Tyus Jones was a likely two year player but he had so many big games and was MOP of the Regional and Final Four that there was no way his stock was going to get any better so he had to go. OAD doesn't bother me at all, I say be ballsy and go after the absolute best players or else you'll be competing against them. The fans who whine about OAD do so mostly because they're jealous of the schools who can get them. (like UK, Duke, KU)
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Really? You do know that Sulaimon is the first player that Coach K has ever dismissed in all his time at Duke? I don't like the guy either but that statement is just not true. Don't like him but I do respect him.
You nailed it when you said multiple OADs. Lots of schools have OADs but Duke never recruited the way theyre recruiting now. Yes, they would take guys like Kyrie and Rivers but they would go hard after multiple OADs in the same class like Cal has been doing for years. It was a mold casted by UK and tried to follow by many. Duke has the resources to recruit that way. It was simply Coach K giving in to the "new school" and rolling with the times. He saw the success that these types of athletes bring to the program and he obviously thought he could win with them. But it is new at Duke. Yes, you had OAds but so does a lot of schools, it was the philosophy change of multiple OADs and the philosophy change that those OADs can be the focal point of the team and still compete for title. Give him credit, he has done well so far. (With alot of help from the NCAA selection committee)
If a school is recruiting a top 30 player then they are potentionally recruiting a one and done guy. Generally if you are a top 15-20 guy then you are looking past school anyways and towards that money.
So you take all the offers these kids have them you have all the coaches and universities they have no problem with one and done. And that my friends is all of em.
If Duke lands a class for next year like many are saying he could get then he's going to have multiple one and done players in that class.
One and done is not a recipe for a title but when you can combine some very talented individuals along with some veteran talented guys then your going to have a really nice shot at a title.
Some years the HS talent is underwhelming and your team is going to perform the same if you rely too much on it
We were good this past year because we had a couple of more veteran players along with some talented freshmen just like Duke and Arizona. I think we all had good runs but you can only have 1 champion and Duke got the bracket and the whistles when it mattered.
UK has been the forerunner of using mostly freshmen and you can see from our erractic play that depending on freshmen will cause you grey hair but can be successful to getting to a FF but seem to choke a lot which tends to happen to vets as well like WCS and even your coach.
If your the LSU coach you choke every game.
So you take all the offers these kids have them you have all the coaches and universities they have no problem with one and done. And that my friends is all of em.
If Duke lands a class for next year like many are saying he could get then he's going to have multiple one and done players in that class.
One and done is not a recipe for a title but when you can combine some very talented individuals along with some veteran talented guys then your going to have a really nice shot at a title.
Some years the HS talent is underwhelming and your team is going to perform the same if you rely too much on it
We were good this past year because we had a couple of more veteran players along with some talented freshmen just like Duke and Arizona. I think we all had good runs but you can only have 1 champion and Duke got the bracket and the whistles when it mattered.
UK has been the forerunner of using mostly freshmen and you can see from our erractic play that depending on freshmen will cause you grey hair but can be successful to getting to a FF but seem to choke a lot which tends to happen to vets as well like WCS and even your coach.
If your the LSU coach you choke every game.
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