Duke effect: Reddish averaging 7 points/game. Jabari Parker and Jahlil Okafor out of the NBA.

[Son_Of_Saul]

Austin Rivers at 8 points/game for his career.
Bagley, who was considered to have had the potential to be "generational" talent, is averaging just over 13 point/game in his career.
Barrett is still struggling to find his way as the Knicks "superstar."
Jalen Johnson is averaging 3 points/game over his career.
Vernon Carey averaging 2 points/game over his career.
Parker is out of the league.
Okafor is out of the league.
Reddish looks like he has a long way to go.



Zion, Tatum and Paolo are legit, as is Brandon Ingram. Barrett will likely eventually be really good, although it's safe to say he has disappointed for a guy the Knicks placed so much hope in. Wendell Carter is finally hitting his stride, although his career numbers are still rather pedestrian for a guy who was once considered the best big in his class. Irving is obviously a stud.

Still, Duke has had a ton of duds, given the state of their historic level recruiting the last 10 years or so.

It's actually kind of surprising how many of their guys don't pan out. A few of them will be stars in the league, but given all the top 5 players Duke landed since Rivers, it's kind of bizarre that so many of their guys didn't meet the hype.

 

[shaudyshaud]

What makes the Bagley thing even worse is they could have had Luka . They have a few scenarios in the draft like that .

 

[J-Ryan]

Our guys do better. Is it chance? Or something else? And I ask that seriously. If it’s not chance, what makes the difference ?

 

[CincyUKFan]

I want to rag on Duke too, but let’s be real. We have some dudes out of the league. Quickley’s not much better than Reddish for NY. Diallo sucks. Lyles sucks. Knox sucks. Noel sucks. Tyty hasn’t played a minute. We have some dudes tearing it up, but plenty of bums too and some players who are definitely on their way out of the league.

 

[king of cali]

I want to rag on Duke too, but let’s be real. We have some dudes out of the league. Quickley’s not much better than Reddish for NY. Diallo sucks. Lyles sucks. Knox sucks. Noel sucks. Tyty hasn’t played a minute. We have some dudes tearing it up, but plenty of bums too and some players who are definitely on their way out of the league.

Yeah, i don’t understand the point. Lots of schools, including UK, have top 5/10/15 recruits that didn’t or haven’t done much of anything at the next level.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

I want to rag on Duke too, but let’s be real. We have some dudes out of the league. Quickley’s not much better than Reddish for NY. Diallo sucks. Lyles sucks. Knox sucks. Noel sucks. Tyty hasn’t played a minute. We have some dudes tearing it up, but plenty of bums too and some players who are definitely on their way out of the league.

Quickly doesn’t get the minutes he should though, quickly should be a sixth man on any NBA team, the knicks screw up his minutes like they do the whole team, Noel wasn’t terrible he was just avg, Knox was a huge disappointment I thought at the very least he could be a 3&D type of player

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I want to rag on Duke too, but let’s be real. We have some dudes out of the league. Quickley’s not much better than Reddish for NY. Diallo sucks. Lyles sucks. Knox sucks. Noel sucks. Tyty hasn’t played a minute. We have some dudes tearing it up, but plenty of bums too and some players who are definitely on their way out of the league.

Maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought.
How many of those UK guys were top 5, "can't miss" prospects? Lyles wasn't. Diallo wasn't. Quickley was barely a 5 star. Ty Ty was fringe top 20 coming into UK. Noel's been in the league for a decade as a rotation player. If that constitutes "sucking", then most of the NBA "sucks."

Meanwhile, Reddish, Parker, Okafor, Rivers, Carter, Johnson, Bagley, Carey, Duval, Giles, etc. were all RSCI top 5 guys. Two or three of those Duke guys were considered to be "generational" talents.

Our only real top 5 duds were Andrew Harrison, MKG, Young, and Skal.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Yeah, i don’t understand the point. Lots of schools, including UK, have top 5/10/15 recruits that didn’t or haven’t done much of anything at the next level.

Then maybe you weren't paying close enough attention back then.

Parker was considered a generational talent.

So was Bagley and Okafor. Reddish was #1 in his class for a long time, as was Carey.

How many of those guys has UK gotten that ended up being a bust?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Quickly doesn’t get the minutes he should though, quickly should be a sixth man on any NBA team, the knicks screw up his minutes like they do the whole team, Noel wasn’t terrible he was just avg, Knox was a huge disappointment I thought at the very least he could be a 3&D type of player

Noel is what he's always been - a defender. People knocked MKG for never getting a jump shot, but MKG was never going to be an offensive player. His ceiling was Iguodala. He didn't make it, but he's not on the same level of "bust" as a guy like Parker. Neither is Noel. I would, however, put Skal in that category and probably Andrew Harrison to a lesser degree (I'd put Harrison's "bust" comp on the same category of Duval - as neither were ever projected to be a franchise point guard, even in high school).

Meanwhile, guys like Okafor, Reddish, Parker, and Bagley were supposed to be franchise players.

 

[Montana81]

Then maybe you weren't paying close enough attention back then.

Parker was considered a generational talent.

So was Bagley and Okafor. Reddish was #1 in his class for a long time, as was Carey.

How many of those guys has UK gotten that ended up being a bust?

Right. I about spit my drink out at the attempt to compare Reddish to guys like Quickley and Ty Ty who were drafted and ranked wayyy lower.

Quickley has exceeded expectations. Then how many guys has duke had like Booker, Herro and SGA who have FAR exceeded expectations given their high school rankings?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Right. I about spit my drink out at the attempt to compare Reddish to guys like Quickley and Ty Ty who were drafted and ranked wayyy lower.

Quickley has exceeded expectations. Then how many guys has duke had like Booker, Herro and SGA who have FAR exceeded expectations given their high school rankings?

We've got a bunch of contrarians on this board who pride themselves on being "objective" when they sometimes blitz past the obvious point of the initial argument. They're so eager to take the opposite view.

 

[Mike-D]

Austin Rivers at 8 points/game for his career.
Bagley, who was considered to have had the potential to be "generational" talent, is averaging just over 13 point/game in his career.
Barrett is still struggling to find his way as the Knicks "superstar."
Jalen Johnson is averaging 3 points/game over his career.
Vernon Carey averaging 2 points/game over his career.
Parker is out of the league.
Okafor is out of the league.
Reddish looks like he has a long way to go.



Zion and Paolo are legit, as is Brandon Ingram. Barrett will likely eventually be really good, although it's safe to say he has disappointed for a guy the Knicks placed so much hope in. Wendell Carter is finally hitting his stride, although his career numbers are still rather pedestrian for a guy who was once considered the best big in his class. Irving is obviously a stud.

Still, Duke has had a ton of duds, given the state of their historic level recruiting the last 10 years or so.

It's actually kind of surprising how many of their guys don't pan out. A few of them will be stars in the league, but given all the top 5 players Duke landed since Rivers, it's kind of bizarre that so many of their guys didn't meet the hype.

Zion and Barrett were generational college players. 1 stays fat, and I don't get the other. The fact that a white kid from Wisconsin is having a much better NBA career is head scratching.

 

[BigCat241]

Did jayson Tatum die?

 

[CincyUKFan]

Maybe I wasn't as clear as I thought.
How many of those UK guys were top 5, "can't miss" prospects? Lyles wasn't. Diallo wasn't. Quickley was barely a 5 star. Ty Ty was fringe top 20 coming into UK. Noel's been in the league for a decade as a rotation player. If that constitutes "sucking", then most of the NBA "sucks."

Meanwhile, Reddish, Parker, Okafor, Rivers, Carter, Johnson, Bagley, Carey, Duval, Giles, etc. were all RSCI top 5 guys. Two or three of those Duke guys were considered to be "generational" talents.

Our only real top 5 duds were Andrew Harrison, MKG, Young, and Skal.

What was Terrence Jones? Top 10? I can’t remember.

 

[Smashcat]

Remember Bilas arguing for weeks the NBA should take Okafor #1 over KAT?🤦‍♀️

 

[Fox2monk]

Then maybe you weren't paying close enough attention back then.

Parker was considered a generational talent.

So was Bagley and Okafor. Reddish was #1 in his class for a long time, as was Carey.

How many of those guys has UK gotten that ended up being a bust?

I think Reddish is a dude with all the talent and none of the work ethic, He reminds me of Knox, never put it together.

 

[Fox2monk]

Zion and Barrett were generational college players. 1 stays fat, and I don't get the other. The fact that a white kid from Wisconsin is having a much better NBA career is head scratching.

Zion is a beast when he plays though.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

Zion and Barrett were generational college players. 1 stays fat, and I don't get the other. The fact that a white kid from Wisconsin is having a much better NBA career is head scratching.

The knicks had a chance to trade Barrett and like 3 draft picks for Donavan Mitchell and one other player and they turned it down, that’s why the knicks suck

 

[K_TIME]

I want to rag on Duke too, but let’s be real. We have some dudes out of the league. Quickley’s not much better than Reddish for NY. Diallo sucks. Lyles sucks. Knox sucks. Noel sucks. Tyty hasn’t played a minute. We have some dudes tearing it up, but plenty of bums too and some players who are definitely on their way out of the league.

Well…..
Quickley was barely a five star and in some services he was a four star. He was in not too 10 ratings and was in the 30s of most Knox was top 10 and Noel was top 10….I don’t think Lyles was 10 though

Guys like Parker Okafor Barrett Rivers…we’re all top 5 guys out of high school. Reddish was top 5 in some as well. To have this many bombs is pretty eye opening IMO

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Did jayson Tatum die?

Nah. I just created a thread about him the other day.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

What was Terrence Jones? Top 10? I can’t remember.

#11 RSCI.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Duke has Zion and Tatum that’s about it.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Duke has Zion and Tatum that’s about it.

Kyrie.
Ingram.

Maybe Barrett someday.

When you're only dating supermodels, you're bound to have some good dates here and there, but their rate of exes turning out to be ladies with daddy issues and high body counts is pretty staggering.

 

[CincyUKFan]

Duke has Zion and Tatum that’s about it.

Kyrie is a bad dude. Just a bit strange. Banchero looks like he will be an all-star. Ingram putting up 22 per game.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Kyrie.
Ingram.

Maybe Barrett someday.

When you're only dating supermodels, you're bound to have some good dates here and there, but their rate of exes turning out to be ladies with daddy issues and high body counts is pretty staggering.

Kyrie counts about as much as sharpe for us. Ingram I did forget about, he almost doesn’t register as a dukie for me. I’m still in shock Luke kennard got the bag.

 

[qwesley]

They recruit a lot of cul-de-sac kids whose helicopter parents like the Duke academic name (even though they take bunny classes for one year) who then get coddled and don't get any tougher. The NBA eats them up.

 

[FtWorthCat]

I just looked at the top 150 in Yahoo Fantasy Rankings, and UK has 13 former players, and Duke has 6. UK has several others in the 150-225 range too. About 8-10% of the top 225 or so players in the NBA played at UK. That is pretty cool I think.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I just looked at the top 150 in Yahoo Fantasy Rankings, and UK has 13 former players, and Duke has 6. UK has several others in the 150-225 range too. About 8-10% of the top 225 or so players in the NBA played at UK. That is pretty cool I think.

That's awesome production. It's only going to get better, as I feel like Oscar, Collins, Ugonna, Bradshaw, Livingston, Wallace, Edwards, Toppin, Wagner, Dillingham, and maybe even Reeves will be in the NBA soon.

 

[Elliott Tim]

Austin Rivers at 8 points/game for his career.
Bagley, who was considered to have had the potential to be "generational" talent, is averaging just over 13 point/game in his career.
Barrett is still struggling to find his way as the Knicks "superstar."
Jalen Johnson is averaging 3 points/game over his career.
Vernon Carey averaging 2 points/game over his career.
Parker is out of the league.
Okafor is out of the league.
Reddish looks like he has a long way to go.



Zion and Paolo are legit, as is Brandon Ingram. Barrett will likely eventually be really good, although it's safe to say he has disappointed for a guy the Knicks placed so much hope in. Wendell Carter is finally hitting his stride, although his career numbers are still rather pedestrian for a guy who was once considered the best big in his class. Irving is obviously a stud.

Still, Duke has had a ton of duds, given the state of their historic level recruiting the last 10 years or so.

It's actually kind of surprising how many of their guys don't pan out. A few of them will be stars in the league, but given all the top 5 players Duke landed since Rivers, it's kind of bizarre that so many of their guys didn't meet the hype.

Long live the memory of K

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

@JimboSlice00 is Leadbelly's 106th account.

 

[shaudyshaud]

Of course we are going to have some duds . It’s the nature of the game . Like Saul said a few of their generational talent guys turned out to be meh in the NBA.

Kyrie, Zion, Tatum are all dogs . Barrett and Carter are solid .

But look at UK and it’s a lot different . Guys like Keldon Johnson, Maxey, Herro are having good seasons . I didn’t even get to the big dogs that turned out what they were supposed to be .

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Of course we are going to have some duds . It’s the nature of the game . Like Saul said a few of their generational talent guys turned out to be meh in the NBA.

Kyrie, Zion, Tatum are all dogs . Barrett and Carter are solid .

But look at UK and it’s a lot different . Guys like Keldon Johnson, Maxey, Herro are having good seasons . I didn’t even get to the big dogs that turned out what they were supposed to be .

I'm glad some see my point. Good post, man.

Eric Bledsoe was RSCI #52. Averaged 14, 4, and 5 over the course of a decade + career.

Nick Richards was RSCI #18. Averaging 10 and 6 this year.

Keldon was RSCI #12. Currently averaging 24+points/game with over 5 rebounds and almost 4 assists/game.

Herro was RSCI #35. Currently averaging around 20 points/game.

Maxey was RSCI #10. Averaging 23, 4, and 4 right now.

Quickley was RSCI #23. He's averaging 11, 3, and 3 over his career.

PJ Washington was RSCI #14. Bagley was RSCI #1 in the same class. They're averaging virtually the same numbers right now.

For all the shots in this thread regarding Kevin Knox, he was only RSCI #10. The two guys directly after him at #11 and #12 aren't even in the league.

Shai was RSCI #30. He's averaging 31, 4, and 6 right now.

Does Duke have any outliers who are doing well out of RSCI top 10? All of their guys who were supposed to make are making it, and I can't think of any of their guys who are in that Herro,Shai, Keldon, Maxey category of guys outside the top 5 who took off. Maybe Wendell Carter, but at 16 points/game this year, do we put him in that category yet? All of Duke's NBA studs (Zion, Barrett, Kyrie, Tatum, Ingram) were RSCI top 5 guys.


Meanwhile, the other side of the story for the Dukies:

Bagley - RSCI #1

Duval - RSCI #5 (out of the league).

Giles - RSCI #2 (of we're going to negate him due to the injury, then we should likewise negate Skal for not having a senior year in high school and Noel for his ACL injury).

Okafor - RSCI #1 (out of the league).

Parker - RSCI #3 (out of the league).

Austin Rivers - RSCI #2 (8 points/game over his career).

Cam Reddish - RSCI #2 (7 points/game this season).

Vernon Carey - RSCI #5 (out of the league).


Most of our RSCI guys turned out pretty good. Skal, Harrison, and MKG (maybe Boston), being the exceptions.

Kentucky is simply the best there is at preparing NBA talent.



James Young was RSCI #9, so if he's in this discussion, then we'd also have to include guys like Bolden and Jalen Johnson from Duke.

 

[crawfords corner]

@JimboSlice00 is Leadbelly's 106th account.

I think you need another 0 in there somewhere.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Who's taking Duke's legit NBA players since 2010 over ours?

Duke top 13:

Irving - All Star
Kennard
Allen
Rivers
Trent Jr.
Tatum - All Star
Parker
Barrett
Ingram - All Star
Zion - All Star
Banchero
Carter
Bagley


Kentucky top 13:

Wall - All Star
Shai
Fox
Murray
Maxey
Herro
Booker - All Star
Johnson
Randle - All Star
Davis - All Star
Bam - All Star
Towns - All Star
Boogie - All Star

We've got a huge advantage at guard and down low, but they have the elites at wing forward.

We're so deep with legit NBA players. Our 13 man roster wouldn't even include PJ, Quickley, Knight, Vanderbilt, MKG, Noel, Richards, Monk, Kanter, or Bledsoe.

Barrett and Banchero might be future all-stars a few years from now; yet, Shai, Fox, Maxey, Herro, Keldon, and Murray are knocking on the door right now.

 

[UK-chulo]

Did jayson Tatum die?

Didn’t fit his narrative.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Didn’t fit his narrative.

Just an oversight that I've already corrected in subsequent posts.

No need to be like that, man. We're all on the same side.

 

[Patriot202]

What about the UNC players 😂

 

[Patriot202]

Noel is what he's always been - a defender. People knocked MKG for never getting a jump shot, but MKG was never going to be an offensive player. His ceiling was Iguodala. He didn't make it, but he's not on the same level of "bust" as a guy like Parker. Neither is Noel. I would, however, put Skal in that category and probably Andrew Harrison to a lesser degree (I'd put Harrison's "bust" comp on the same category of Duval - as neither were ever projected to be a franchise point guard, even in high school).

Meanwhile, guys like Okafor, Reddish, Parker, and Bagley were supposed to be franchise players.

Okafors game was too old school NBA I believe I never thought he would be any good in the league I think Parker tore both acl’s soon as he got into the NBA. Bagley apparently been injured but even when healthy didn’t seem anything special

 

[pinecreek]

I don’t think who they played for in college matters unless KY or Duke didn’t recruit them cause they knew they were duds. Then you might have a point.

 

[Hoskins91]

I’m sure it’s been said, but you forgot Tatum. I’m personally of the opinion people overrate how much where you go to school matters. None of those guys would be good now if they came here either. It’s not like we haven’t had a decent amount of 5 stars end up not doing anything.