Duke and the 2016-2017 season.

[OhioDukeFan32]

In the coming years, K could set records that will never be touched. We could be looking at 1,200+ wins, 6-7 National Titles in the 'moderns era', 100+ NCAA Tournament wins (he's at a record 88 now) and 14 or15 Final Fours.

And for those of you that think Duke drops way off after K retires, Look at their recruiting in the last 4-5 classes and who's spearheading the groundwork. Jeff Capel and Jon Scheyer will both move down a seat on the bench and Duke will be a national player for the next 15-20 years.

Yes, Duke has never won anything since 1986 that they didn't get help from the refs and get a favorable bracket from the committee. You real basketball people know how ludicrous that sounds.

 

[JWat_]

In the coming years, K could set records that will never be touched. We could be looking at 1,200+ wins, 6-7 National Titles in the 'moderns era', 100+ NCAA Tournament wins, 14 or15 Final Fours.

And for those of you that think Duke drops way off after K retires, Look at their recruiting in the last 4-5 classes and who's spearheading the groundwork. Jeff Capel and Jon Scheyer will both move down a seat on the bench and Duke will be a national player for the next 15-20 years.

You really think both of those guys won't get targeted for HC jobs before K retires?

K is arguably the coach to learn from, not sure I would want to follow him though. Let someone else eat that bullet.

 

[Hoskins21]

Duke will be nothing when K retires. Watch and see.

 

[Cawood86]

I couldn't care less how lor what they do. Amazed at some UK "fans"

 

[harlanhomeboy]

Yeah, kind of like how we won the title this year

 

[Fitch44]

Go fin

Makes absolutely no difference. They won it. They don't hang banners that say "x-year national champions, considered the worst team to win a title"

Go find another team to root for if it is going to title or bust.
Before 2010 splinter won 3 titles in 25 or 30 years.
He had a run recently of 9 years getting past the sweet 16 once.
Cal wins it this year it would be 5 final fours in 7 years with a couple titles.
Not a bad run, even by your standards.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Makes absolutely no difference. They won it. They don't hang banners that say "x-year national champions, considered the worst team to win a title"

amen

 

[TUL]

Jesus Christ, are you implying he won in 2010 with one and dones?!
Worst team to win the title in 20 years and I credit that to the teams in the final four.

I know that this is sort of a dead thread and all, but I hate this argument.

The 2010 Duke team had...

Kyle Singler, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (4th leading scorer in Duke history, multiple tournament MVPs, etc etc) and an NBA player.
Jon Scheyer, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (18 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and one of the best ever A:TO ratios at Duke as a senior, when he was an All-American) and a prospective NBA player until he got his eyeball knocked out of its socket.
Nolan Smith, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (ACC player of the year and finalist for every major Player of the Year award, averaged 21 ppg as a senior) and a NBA player.
Lance Thomas, a NBA player.
Mason Plumlee, a future Pete Newell winner and NBA player.
Miles Plumlee, a NBA player.
Ryan Kelly, a NBA player.
Andre Dawkins, who almost made the league and now plays professionally.
And Brian Zoubek, who after two and a half years of injury became an absolute monster of a seven footer, AVERAGING around 17 rebounds per 40 after his first start of a year, a breakout game of 16 pts 17 rebounds midway through the year.

So the idea that this Duke team sucked is just nuts. They were the epitome of TOUGH, maybe the toughest team I've ever seen top to bottom at Duke, and the team was led by three perfect college all-stars. That team was GOOD.

 

[CUT-NETS]

Go fin


Go find another team to root for if it is going to title or bust.
Before 2010 splinter won 3 titles in 25 or 30 years.
He had a run recently of 9 years getting past the sweet 16 once.
Cal wins it this year it would be 5 final fours in 7 years with a couple titles.
Not a bad run, even by your standards.

When you year in and year out have the best players in the country it should be title or bust. If we had all this success with a bunch of Richie Farmers it would be different. But hell yeah with rosters chauk full of McD's AA's it should be title or bust.

 

[brianpoe]

I know that this is sort of a dead thread and all, but I hate this argument.

The 2010 Duke team had...

Kyle Singler, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (4th leading scorer in Duke history, multiple tournament MVPs, etc etc) and an NBA player.
Jon Scheyer, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (18 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and one of the best ever A:TO ratios at Duke as a senior, when he was an All-American) and a prospective NBA player until he got his eyeball knocked out of its socket.
Nolan Smith, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (ACC player of the year and finalist for every major Player of the Year award, averaged 21 ppg as a senior) and a NBA player.
Lance Thomas, a NBA player.
Mason Plumlee, a future Pete Newell winner and NBA player.
Miles Plumlee, a NBA player.
Ryan Kelly, a NBA player.
Andre Dawkins, who almost made the league and now plays professionally.
And Brian Zoubek, who after two and a half years of injury became an absolute monster of a seven footer, AVERAGING around 17 rebounds per 40 after his first start of a year, a breakout game of 16 pts 17 rebounds midway through the year.

So the idea that this Duke team sucked is just nuts. They were the epitome of TOUGH, maybe the toughest team I've ever seen top to bottom at Duke, and the team was led by three perfect college all-stars. That team was GOOD.

Solid post with good facts. However, I'm still having a hard time finding anyone on that list that could stop John Wall or Demarcus Cousins, and a couple of "role players" in Patterson and Bledsoe...

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

To give everyone an example of how Cut-Nurtz is a basketball neophyte, he actually thinks Bruce Pearl is better than Cal. The same Bruce Pearl who with Tennessee down by 2 with seconds remaining after blowing a 20 point lead, didn't call a timeout in their Elite 8 game vs. Ohio State. Chris Lofton's junior year and Pearl allowed Ramar Smith dribble the ball the length of the court and jack up a shot that didn't even hit the freakin' rim. You have the SEC's best 3 point shooter in history and you don't draw a play up for him? Cut-Nurtz is a classic example of a middle-aged loser who never played organized basketball but thinks he's a basketball guru. Armchair genius.

 

[BlueBlood66]

Solid post with good facts. However, I'm still having a hard time finding anyone on that list that could stop John Wall or Demarcus Cousins, and a couple of "role players" in Patterson and Bledsoe...

This is true, but can you find anyone on the West Virginia roster who could stop those guys?

 

[ia.ukfan]

This thread serves as a great reminder that there is no reason to not have Cut Nets blocked. He is literally the worst. Title or bust every year? Give me a break, sure its ultimately about winning a title but to act like Cal sucks because we haven't won more then one championship is ludicrous.

And to act like Cal sucks because he isn't as good as Coach K is ridiculous! Here is a shocker, Coach K is probably the best college basketball coach of all time! He's amazing. Period. We also have a great coach, just not as good as Duke's, and that is okay.

Should the Spurs fans freak out because Greg Popavich might not be quite as good as Phil Jackson? Should Seahawk fans freak out because Pete Caroll isn't quite as good as Bill Belicheck? I think not.

Its a great day to be a UK fan, that is all I know.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Solid post with good facts. However, I'm still having a hard time finding anyone on that list that could stop John Wall or Demarcus Cousins, and a couple of "role players" in Patterson and Bledsoe...

It's a shame we'll never get to see that matchup. Same goes for this season. I really wanted to play you guys both times.

 

[Fitch44]

I know that this is sort of a dead thread and all, but I hate this argument.

The 2010 Duke team had...

Kyle Singler, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (4th leading scorer in Duke history, multiple tournament MVPs, etc etc) and an NBA player.
Jon Scheyer, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (18 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and one of the best ever A:TO ratios at Duke as a senior, when he was an All-American) and a prospective NBA player until he got his eyeball knocked out of its socket.
Nolan Smith, one of the best all-time to play at Duke (ACC player of the year and finalist for every major Player of the Year award, averaged 21 ppg as a senior) and a NBA player.
Lance Thomas, a NBA player.
Mason Plumlee, a future Pete Newell winner and NBA player.
Miles Plumlee, a NBA player.
Ryan Kelly, a NBA player.
Andre Dawkins, who almost made the league and now plays professionally.
And Brian Zoubek, who after two and a half years of injury became an absolute monster of a seven footer, AVERAGING around 17 rebounds per 40 after his first start of a year, a breakout game of 16 pts 17 rebounds midway through the year.

So the idea that this Duke team sucked is just nuts. They were the epitome of TOUGH, maybe the toughest team I've ever seen top to bottom at Duke, and the team was led by three perfect college all-stars. That team was GOOD.[/QUOTE

Save it for your board. PlEase don't come here talking about a front court of Thomas and zoubek.
You goats can circle jerk to them on your site.

 

[brianpoe]

This is true, but can you find anyone on the West Virginia roster who could stop those guys?

John Calipari.

I really do not understand him and timeouts.

WV - call a timeout, remind John Wall that he is in fact John Wall (not Reggie Miller) and can penetrate, I don't care how packed in it is - take a short jumper or better yet draw the defense and dump to Cousins or PPat. Same for Bledsoe, hell all of them. Dodson took 9 3's, and our starters went 1 for 18.

No reason to throw up 32 three pointers. Cal should have stopped that, we only shot 37 in the previous 2 games.


Same in the Wisconsin game. He was obviously frustrated during that series of offensive sets at the end, and I understand with the lead and running the clock, but it was really too close and too much time left. Call the time out and figure a way to get it to the post.

(I am an excellent coach, long after the game has been played, the more years the better I get...)

 

[Mike-D]

Lol

 

[Hoskins91]

We have a bunch of people on here who tend to lean towards being dramatic. He's been at Duke since 1980, so that's one every seven years for thirty-five years. We're on pace to do that still. There is no way Cal stays here that long, but if he wins one this year we'd be ahead of schedule.

 

[Mike-D]

(I am an excellent coach, long after the game has been played, the more years the better I get...)

Aren't we all!

 

[Mike-D]

We have a bunch of people on here who tend to lean towards being dramatic. He's been at Duke since 1980, so that's one every seven years for thirty-five years. We're on pace to do that still. There is no way Cal stays here that long, but if he wins one this year we'd be ahead of schedule.

Impossible. CUT-NUTS said Cal could never win another title at Kentucky. You heard it here first

 

[DwayneMeighan]

I just want to know how all of the Duke fans knew this thread had gotten bumped? It was literally 3 months old and they were nowhere to be found on this board, and as soon as it was bumped they came out of the woodwork.

If I didn't know any better I'd think we are being trolled. It almost seems like a couple of them got together and planned to bump this thread and then bum rush in.

Either way, this thread sucked ass the first time around, and it sucks just as much this time around.

 

[Untouchables22]

Duke is going to turn into Nebraska football once K retires. Ever since Tom Osbourne retired Nebraska have fielded good teams that made bowl games but not a national power anymore.

 

[TUL]

Solid post with good facts. However, I'm still having a hard time finding anyone on that list that could stop John Wall or Demarcus Cousins, and a couple of "role players" in Patterson and Bledsoe...

That Kentucky team was RETARDEDLY good. A TON of individual talent, including at least two future multiple time NBA all-stars... and I think PPat was just as good as a college player can be.

But as someone pointed out, South Carolina, Tennessee, and WVU all beat that team. And in a one game, winner-takes-all type of situation, an experienced, athletic (higher VO2 max than Lance Armstrong) Jon Scheyer (18 ppg, 5 assists, 3.5 rebounds) might be able to go head to head with John Wall (16.6 ppg, 4 rebounds, 6.5 assists). A rugged, experienced, tough former hockey player like Kyle Singler might be able to take PPat outside and hit threes, or drive around him. Maybe all 7'1 265 lbs of senior Brian Zoubek (one opposing coach called him "a mountain masquerading as a man") would be able to disrupt Demarcus enough. Maybe Nolan Smith, who was one of the best guards offensively and defensively in the nation, would have torched a guy like Eric Bledsoe. Maybe future best-big-in-the-nation Mason Plumlee would have exploded, or a guy like 6'11 Ryan Kelly would bomb from outside.

So while I agree that that Kentucky team is insanely talented, in a single winner-take-all-game, you never know, especially when you have an extremely young team going up against a very veteran team that plays ferocious, in your face defense. And when someone says the 2010 team was the worst title team in 20 years... I just have a hard time with that.

Oh, and that Kentucky team could easily match up on paper against any champ in the last 20 years So that might not be meaningful

 

[Jkwo]

This thread serves as a great reminder that there is no reason to not have Cut Nets blocked. He is literally the worst. Title or bust every year? Give me a break, sure its ultimately about winning a title but to act like Cal sucks because we haven't won more then one championship is ludicrous.

Just one of those guys who decided he dislikes Cal long ago (if he and K swapped resumes, he would whine about the 2/15, 3/14 losses as examples of how Cal was bad with Xs and Os, much less if Cal swapped resumes with the other A+ recruiters/inferior coaches like Self, Miller, and up until recently Donovan, Matta, Williams) -

The guy knows what his conclusion is and tries to fit the data around it. Then he insults us all by trying to pretend that he's just a fan trying to be objective who gives Cal a fair shot but is seeing this truth that we're all missing.
And he switches around his claims to placate people and wedge in his nonsense - in the same thread he'll say Cal is the second best but also that there are a bunch of other guys who can coach circles around Cal.

Cut, lots of us consider K to be the best coach in the game, and lots of us can admit that Cal has made mistakes before. But you don't actually consider him the second best coach in the game, which shows that you're possibly entering brain-damaged territory. If you want to cherry pick individual 5 minute sequences to take shots at his coaching when everyone else you would list has much worse examples and when he has winning records against a lengthy list of HOFers with no talent shortage, it's you who needs to bring a little more objectivity.

Just admit that you don't like the man personally or harbor some prejudice against him from way back. If you express that opinion genuinely - that's way more respectable than what you're doing now - holding him to a higher standard than every other coach and trying to pass it off as objectivity.

Just admit that you'd rather have some other coach who is less successful but that you personally like more. Stop acting like there's some results-based reason to write off the man behind the best initial 6 year run at a school in CBB history just because he (along with a handful of other less successful coaches) averages close to five stars across his roster.

Eh. I know you won't, because your bread and butter on here is pissing on everybody and telling them it's raining. I'm just saying for your sake - you might learn something about yourself if you'll just take that step of inward reflection.

Say it with me:

"My name is cut-nets and I dislike Cal for personal reasons. I am a torn man because I want the cats to win every game, but a small part of me wants them to lose enough so that Cal can get fired. I would post much less about UK basketball if Cal had won the past 6 titles in a row, because I would be incredibly conflicted. Because again, I dislike Cal for personal reasons."

Oh, and you're right, IA. Blocking him is golden. Just did it and the forum smells just a little less drooly today.

 

[OhioDukeFan32]

In the Big Dance, you can only play the team in front of you. In 2001, 2010 and 2015, Duke had to beat the team that beat UK. Mission accomplished.

 

[Fitch44]

It's a shame we'll never get to see that matchup. Same goes for this season. I really wanted to play you guys both times.

No you didn't. Easy to say now but when we got knocked out both years you knew your chances of winning the title went way up.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

No you didn't.

Yes I did. Sorry. I mainly wanted those matchups because I'm sick of the "UK would have beaten Duke in 2010 and 2015" comments that perpetuate many boards across Rivals. At least if the teams played in the tournament and Duke won, some would finally admit that Duke may have had a better team. As it stands now, 2 national title teams from Duke get disparaged ad nauseum, while 2 UK teams that didn't win it all get glorified as superior.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Hoping his age catches up to him. The only way this ends is with that official-accusing rat retiring.

Duke should be public enemy #1. Forget the UNC, UofL, and Kansas hatred.

 

[Clive Gollings]

Did Duke fans decide during their Dungeons and Dragons meeting to bump an old thread, so they can talk about Duke on a UK board.

Man, you guys are pathetic.

Raise your hands. How many of you dorks have a screen name just for RR?

 

[Clive Gollings]

Hoping his age catches up to him. The only way this ends is with that official-accusing rat retiring.

Duke should be public enemy #1. Forget the UNC, UofL, and Kansas hatred.

Well, they are still behind UK in basically every measurable stat.

 

[Clive Gollings]

Yes I did. Sorry. I mainly wanted those matchups because I'm sick of the "UK would have beaten Duke in 2010 and 2015" comments that perpetuate many boards across Rivals. At least if the teams played in the tournament and Duke won, some would finally admit that Duke may have had a better team. As it stands now, 2 national title teams from Duke get disparaged ad nauseum, while 2 UK teams that didn't win it all get glorified as superior.

You sound hurt that even though Duke won, UK is still the talk of the town. You realize visiting a UK forum everyday adds to that.

No offense, but this post comes off as a cry bag wussy. "We won, stop talking about UK".

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Some are worried about Duke this year and next, and it's fairly warranted. They have the talent. This year a bit less. But, no reason they shouldn't walk to their regional final (they could always get Lehigh'ed, lol).. I'm not saying they will win 3 titles in a row, but just remember, they get helped along the way.. every single year.. If 350 teams had the exact same roster's, Duke is going the farthest. We all know that. Officials and the NCAA sees basketball programs, and then they see Duke.

Coach K could bring them very close to our titles. And IF they rattle off another title or two.. that means 3-4 Duke titles DURING Cal's tenure. Not what I want to see when we have a HOF coach. Cal's time here is our time to win, because the next coach is probably going to be a step or two behind, atleast.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Not to be all doomsday, but you really have to worry about the "Duke Calls" over the next few years. Coach K is now getting the 1AD recruits. That's a bad mix if you're any other team.

 

[kentuckybyron]

UK won eight titles with five different coaches. Duke won all of theirs with only one coach. Enough said.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

You sound hurt that even though Duke won, UK is still the talk of the town.

Last I checked, Duke was at the White House yesterday. Not UK.

 

[knockoutgame]

Go fin


Go find another team to root for if it is going to title or bust.
Before 2010 splinter won 3 titles in 25 or 30 years.
He had a run recently of 9 years getting past the sweet 16 once.
Cal wins it this year it would be 5 final fours in 7 years with a couple titles.
Not a bad run, even by your standards.

k won two titles and was the runner up three other times from 86 to 94. that is five title game appearances in nine seasons. that won't be duplicated in the modern era.

 

[Clive Gollings]

Last I checked, Duke was at the White House yesterday. Not UK.

...and you're here today. Not UNC's board, not any other.

I'm not mean spirited, I just find it funny. Please carry on.

 

[knockoutgame]

I just want to know how all of the Duke fans knew this thread had gotten bumped? It was literally 3 months old and they were nowhere to be found on this board, and as soon as it was bumped they came out of the woodwork.

If I didn't know any better I'd think we are being trolled. It almost seems like a couple of them got together and planned to bump this thread and then bum rush in.

Either way, this thread sucked ass the first time around, and it sucks just as much this time around.

being totally honest here. i bumped the thread by doing a search in the rivals engine. i didn't even know it was this old until after i posted. i am not a duke fan btw.

 

[Clive Gollings]

being totally honest here. i bumped the thread by doing a search in the rivals engine. i didn't even know it was this old until after i posted. i am not a duke fan btw.

You convinced everyone you're not a duke fan in this thread. Pay no attention to your last post.

You're clearly not a UK fan, and you say you're not a duke fan. Who do you root for? "being totally honest here".

 

[knockoutgame]

Duke is going to turn into Nebraska football once K retires. Ever since Tom Osbourne retired Nebraska have fielded good teams that made bowl games but not a national power anymore.

that's fairly rich of a fan of a team that had billy g at the helm fairly recently. duke is going to have slim pickings of the best coaches in the country. of course there will probably be a bit of a let down after a legend has gone (new regime turnover from possibly the best to ever coach the game and a short-term letdown is all but expected), but i think they will fully bounce back. duke is too big of a brand at this point not to. they are in the same mold as any blue blood, probably even more so. saying you think they aren't because they happen to still have a legend at the helm changes nothing about this fact. they will be able to field a high quality coach and pay them upper echelon money to boot.