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Duece Hogan Transfer To Kentucky (From Iowa Perspective)

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Looking at this from my Iowa City Hawkeye perspective (hi again everyone) and hoping I have earned people's respect here previously with my Hawkeye knowledge and doing it with an objective perspective.

Overall, this is a real puzzling choice Duece made in deciding to walk-on at Kentucky.

I say this first and foremost because word from those in the know here question if he's a Power 5 QB or high DI QB for that matter. We mostly assumed he'd try finding his way back to Texas at a place like Abilene Christian or Texas-San Antonio or somewhere like that.

I put merit into the whispers from the Iowa camp about Duece's ability because Iowa had two QBs ahead of him this year who simply were NOT Power 5 QBs-- you saw one of them in Petras. Padilla his backup was not any better. To not earn time ahead of either, coupled with word Duece really struggled with the playbook, was not a great thing to hear. Additionally, Iowa had a true freshman QB this year (one year behind Hogan) in Labas who some said either did, or was on the verge, of passing Duece by on the depth chart.

Secondly, surprising in the fact he likely would have received scholarship offers from lower D1 schools to go there, but instead opted to pay his own way to Kentucky.

But give the kid kudos for having ultra confidence in trying the Baker Mayfield route of walking on at a Power 5 school and looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And from Kentucky's standpoint, he's not eating a scholarship-- you're getting him for free. After he signed and was still in high school, he did proclaim big things would happen from him at Iowa, and while they never did in two years in Iowa City= he had the confidence to shout it out.

Duece is a good kid by every account. He committed early to Iowa and very publicly recruited other recruits to join him at Iowa. You always love guys like that and really want things to work out for guys like that. He wore his black and gold on his sleeve in high school.

The incident involving the Kirk Ferentz public remarks the week of the Nebraska game about Duece were unfortunate-- stupid on Kirk's account. Uncharacteristic of Kirk and even though I truly know he didn't intentionally intend to hurt to the kid with his remarks. However, Duece's mother called KF out on it. Kirk admitted he made a mistake even though it was intended as a in a joke and regretted making the comment.

I wish Duece great success in Lexington. Hope it works out. I have no idea what your current QB room looks like, but you've just added another.

NOTE: Funny how Iowa got a basketball transfer several years ago from Kentucky by the same last name-- Hogan. Guard Ryan. Turned out to be nothing special at Iowa-- played for Steve Alford here.
 
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Looking at this from my Iowa City Hawkeye perspective (hi again everyone) and hoping I have earned people's respect here previously with my Hawkeye knowledge and doing it with an objective perspective.

Overall, this is a real puzzling choice Duece made in deciding to walk-on at Kentucky.

I say this first and foremost because word from those in the know here question if he's a Power 5 QB or high DI QB for that matter. We mostly assumed he'd try finding his way back to Texas at a place like Abilene Christian or Texas-San Antonio or somewhere like that.

I put merit into the whispers from the Iowa camp about Duece's ability because Iowa had two QBs ahead of him this year who simply were NOT Power 5 QBs-- you saw one of them in Petras. Padilla his backup was not any better. To not earn time ahead of either, coupled with word Duece really struggled with the playbook, was not a great thing to hear. Additionally, Iowa had a true freshman QB this year (one year behind Hogan) in Labas who some said either did, or was on the verge, of passing Duece by on the depth chart.

Secondly, surprising in the fact he likely would have received scholarship offers from lower D1 schools to go there, but instead opted to pay his own way to Kentucky.

But give the kid kudos for having ultra confidence in trying the Baker Mayfield route of walking on at a Power 5 school and looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And from Kentucky's standpoint, he's not eating a scholarship-- you're getting him for free. After he signed and was still in high school, he did proclaim big things would happen from him at Iowa, and while they never did in two years in Iowa City= he had the confidence to shout it out.

Duece is a good kid by every account. He committed early to Iowa and very publicly recruited other recruits to join him at Iowa. You always love guys like that and really want things to work out for guys like that. He wore his black and gold on his sleeve in high school.

The incident involving the Kirk Ferentz public remarks the week of the Nebraska game about Duece were unfortunate-- stupid on Kirk's account. Uncharacteristic of Kirk and even though I truly know he didn't intentionally intend to hurt to the kid with his remarks. However, Duece's mother called KF out on it. Kirk admitted he made a mistake even though it was intended as a in a joke and regretted making the comment.

I wish Duece great success in Lexington. Hope it works out. I have no idea what your current QB room looks like, but you've just added another.

NOTE: Funny how Iowa got a basketball transfer several years ago from Kentucky by the same last name-- Hogan. Guard Ryan. Turned out to be nothing special at Iowa-- played for Steve Alford here.
Was the kid really a 4 star coming out of HS like has been said? Puzzling to say the least. Thanks Hawk!

Edit: Hope you become a regular on this board. Good dude.
 
Was the kid really a 4 star coming out of HS like has been said? Puzzling to say the least. Thanks Hawk!

Edit: Hope you become a regular on this board. Good dude.
Thanks sosa. Means a lot. You guys make it easy to come to this board. I truly now will always be rooting for Kentucky every weekend-- I really will. Was awesome our teams got paired in the bowl game and allowed us fans to exchange on here in advance.
 
Thanks sosa. Means a lot. You guys make it easy to come to this board. I truly now will always be rooting for Kentucky every weekend-- I really will. Was awesome our teams got paired in the bowl game and allowed us fans to exchange on here in advance.
I agree with Sosa. Hopefully you'll become a regular here like Grumpy. Quality posters from other fanbases give us unique perspectives. The vast majority appreciate Grumpy and I'm sure you'd be similarly appreciated.
 
Hogan was the nephew of former UK great Kevin Grevey, so at the time some fans were a tad irked he left.
I’m not sure s we by anyone cared about hogan. He couldn’t play and he was one of many during that stretch that was more interested in the party scene than playing ball
 
I agree with Sosa. Hopefully you'll become a regular here like Grumpy. Quality posters from other fanbases give us unique perspectives. The vast majority appreciate Grumpy and I'm sure you'd be similarly appreciated.
Thanks BigBlue. You need to get to Kinnick in Iowa City some day and be treated to my great tailgate.

Hey, and I predicted UK to beat Iowa 20-16 in the Citrus and it ended 20-17 UK...not bad huh? :)

I indeed plan to come to your board lots in the future.
 
@rucker4 pretty much echoed my thoughts on the scenario. Hogan's pre-college numbers were crazy and he was generally regarded as a great prospect. I don't follow Iowa football closely but my wife's family is from there and my boss is from there so I've kept tabs on them some. One thing I knew for sure was how dissatisfied the fans were with the performances of both QB1 and QB2, and for Duece to not even get a crack, especially having the coach make jokes about his worthiness to play if the other two starts were out is definitely concerning.

Since he is walking-on though, he can't really hurt the team any and just provides more depth at a position you always can use more depth.
 
Looking at this from my Iowa City Hawkeye perspective (hi again everyone) and hoping I have earned people's respect here previously with my Hawkeye knowledge and doing it with an objective perspective.

Overall, this is a real puzzling choice Duece made in deciding to walk-on at Kentucky.

I say this first and foremost because word from those in the know here question if he's a Power 5 QB or high DI QB for that matter. We mostly assumed he'd try finding his way back to Texas at a place like Abilene Christian or Texas-San Antonio or somewhere like that.

I put merit into the whispers from the Iowa camp about Duece's ability because Iowa had two QBs ahead of him this year who simply were NOT Power 5 QBs-- you saw one of them in Petras. Padilla his backup was not any better. To not earn time ahead of either, coupled with word Duece really struggled with the playbook, was not a great thing to hear. Additionally, Iowa had a true freshman QB this year (one year behind Hogan) in Labas who some said either did, or was on the verge, of passing Duece by on the depth chart.

Secondly, surprising in the fact he likely would have received scholarship offers from lower D1 schools to go there, but instead opted to pay his own way to Kentucky.

But give the kid kudos for having ultra confidence in trying the Baker Mayfield route of walking on at a Power 5 school and looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And from Kentucky's standpoint, he's not eating a scholarship-- you're getting him for free. After he signed and was still in high school, he did proclaim big things would happen from him at Iowa, and while they never did in two years in Iowa City= he had the confidence to shout it out.

Duece is a good kid by every account. He committed early to Iowa and very publicly recruited other recruits to join him at Iowa. You always love guys like that and really want things to work out for guys like that. He wore his black and gold on his sleeve in high school.

The incident involving the Kirk Ferentz public remarks the week of the Nebraska game about Duece were unfortunate-- stupid on Kirk's account. Uncharacteristic of Kirk and even though I truly know he didn't intentionally intend to hurt to the kid with his remarks. However, Duece's mother called KF out on it. Kirk admitted he made a mistake even though it was intended as a in a joke and regretted making the comment.

I wish Duece great success in Lexington. Hope it works out. I have no idea what your current QB room looks like, but you've just added another.

NOTE: Funny how Iowa got a basketball transfer several years ago from Kentucky by the same last name-- Hogan. Guard Ryan. Turned out to be nothing special at Iowa-- played for Steve Alford here.
Rucker,

Thanks for sharing this. Young people should dream about achieving something better. I hope this young man realizes his dreams at Kentucky. Also, You are welcome on this board anytime.
 
Thanks BigBlue. You need to get to Kinnick in Iowa City some day and be treated to my great tailgate.

Hey, and I predicted UK to beat Iowa 20-16 in the Citrus and it ended 20-17 UK...not bad huh? :)

I indeed plan to come to your board lots in the future.
 
Good post OP. and like you said, he isn't taking a scholarship here, so its a no-brainer for the staff. And I assume after a year in the system, Hogan may be able to make a better decision for his future.
 
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I think the Kinnick Wave is the most amazing thing any fan base has come up with.
 
Appreciate the input. Sometimes guys just need a change of venue for whatever reason they just don't click with the current staff, OTOH maybe he is a bust like you're alluding to.

He did put up video-game numbers in high school, and had a big offer list so if he isn't a P5 QB he certainly fooled a lot of big time coaches and recruiting service analysts. Our OC Liam Cohn is not only a good judge of QB talent but very particular about who we put in that room, so there's that.
 
Rucker,

Thanks for sharing this. Young people should dream about achieving something better. I hope this young man realizes his dreams at Kentucky. Also, You are welcome on this board anytime.
Means a lot, thanks Kampus. And indeed I'll be rooting for Duece to make an impact at Kentucky.
 
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The whole deal seems pretty odd indeed. But, as others have said, there’s really no risk for UK. Our QB room is essentially only 2 deep. If you know our recent history and remember Lynn Bowden from 2019, we got in such trouble at QB he was a wide receiver running the show. Thankfully he did amazing and won like 5 of 7 games, including a bowl. But we don’t want to be in that position again, lol!
 
He has decided to walk-on at UK….
UK…the same team that beat his team and coach (Ferentz)

So far as I’m concerned all the kid did was publicly take a dump on Ferentz… He’s not here yet that I know? He might walk-on somewhere else or someone might offer him an scholarship yet…. Well played Deuce… you sure dropped one on the ole coach…
 
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Maybe the success of Will Levis has something to do with this decision. They seem to have similar situations at their previous schools . Will has publicly stated that he was a wallflower at Penn St. and the coaches just never warmed up to him or gave him a chance. He stated he had a better relationship with the Kentucky coaches after 3 weeks than he had with Franklin in 3 years. Is it possible to overlook talent of that magnitude just because of personality?? Maybe this kid thinks he never really got a fair shot because they just didn’t like him?? With the remarks you said your coach made toward him it may very well be possible. I know since coming to Ky. Will Levi’s has made James Franklin look like a dumb a** for playing Clifford ahead of him.
 
He was a 4 star on rivals and high 3 star on 247 composite.
Lots of kids in high school come in with tons of accolaids and don't produce. Iowa has had two 5* OL recruited in the past 15 years and both proved total busts. It happens.

What I'm saying in my original post, I guess I didn't say it unless you read between the lines, you're getting a QB who has played enough snaps in his first two years of college to count on 2 hands. He was unable to beat out two pretty below average Power 5 QBs who ran ahead of him on the depth chart, and when he announced he was leaving Iowa may have actually been #4 on the QB depth chart.

I do hope though Duece can see the field at UK at some point.

I wouldn't start making plans for a serious run to the CFP as your QB.
 
Lots of kids in high school come in with tons of accolaids and don't produce. Iowa has had two 5* OL recruited in the past 15 years and both proved total busts. It happens.

What I'm saying in my original post, I guess I didn't say it unless you read between the lines, you're getting a QB who has played enough snaps in his first two years of college to count on 2 hands. He was unable to beat out two pretty below average Power 5 QBs who ran ahead of him on the depth chart, and when he announced he was leaving Iowa may have actually been #4 on the QB depth chart.

I do hope though Duece can see the field at UK at some point.

I wouldn't start making plans for a serious run to the CFP as your QB.
Just answered the guys question of was he actually a 4 star, which rivals had him as. I know nothing about him. We have a QB and a backup so I doubt the kid will ever play but again he really was ranked as a 4 star by rivals
 
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Looking at this from my Iowa City Hawkeye perspective (hi again everyone) and hoping I have earned people's respect here previously with my Hawkeye knowledge and doing it with an objective perspective.

Overall, this is a real puzzling choice Duece made in deciding to walk-on at Kentucky.

I say this first and foremost because word from those in the know here question if he's a Power 5 QB or high DI QB for that matter. We mostly assumed he'd try finding his way back to Texas at a place like Abilene Christian or Texas-San Antonio or somewhere like that.

I put merit into the whispers from the Iowa camp about Duece's ability because Iowa had two QBs ahead of him this year who simply were NOT Power 5 QBs-- you saw one of them in Petras. Padilla his backup was not any better. To not earn time ahead of either, coupled with word Duece really struggled with the playbook, was not a great thing to hear. Additionally, Iowa had a true freshman QB this year (one year behind Hogan) in Labas who some said either did, or was on the verge, of passing Duece by on the depth chart.

Secondly, surprising in the fact he likely would have received scholarship offers from lower D1 schools to go there, but instead opted to pay his own way to Kentucky.

But give the kid kudos for having ultra confidence in trying the Baker Mayfield route of walking on at a Power 5 school and looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And from Kentucky's standpoint, he's not eating a scholarship-- you're getting him for free. After he signed and was still in high school, he did proclaim big things would happen from him at Iowa, and while they never did in two years in Iowa City= he had the confidence to shout it out.

Duece is a good kid by every account. He committed early to Iowa and very publicly recruited other recruits to join him at Iowa. You always love guys like that and really want things to work out for guys like that. He wore his black and gold on his sleeve in high school.

The incident involving the Kirk Ferentz public remarks the week of the Nebraska game about Duece were unfortunate-- stupid on Kirk's account. Uncharacteristic of Kirk and even though I truly know he didn't intentionally intend to hurt to the kid with his remarks. However, Duece's mother called KF out on it. Kirk admitted he made a mistake even though it was intended as a in a joke and regretted making the comment.

I wish Duece great success in Lexington. Hope it works out. I have no idea what your current QB room looks like, but you've just added another.

NOTE: Funny how Iowa got a basketball transfer several years ago from Kentucky by the same last name-- Hogan. Guard Ryan. Turned out to be nothing special at Iowa-- played for Steve Alford here.

If it’s the playbook he is struggling with Liam Coen probably told him, “Look, kid, I taught our playbook to a guy that eats unpeeled bananas and puts mayonnaise in his coffee. I think you’ll be just fine”
 


It was disappointing the pre-Nebraska comment Kirk Ferentz made about his redshirt freshman QB. Poor taste.



Deuce Hogan is paying his own way as a walk-on at Kentucky. Regardless of how the young man projects, due to his time at Iowa, there is not much cost for UK.

If he steps up, it is a win-win situation. If he doesn't pan out, he didn't take anyone's scholarship, as a walk-on

Wish the young man well. There has been plenty of talk and hope in the Iowa fan base, after underwhelming QB play in 2021.



The true freshman wasn't move off the scout team, until bowl prep and after Duece Hogan announced in the portal.

 
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Thanks for the info @rucker4 I was watching some of his hudl and he didn't look all that bad. He was more mobile than I expected, not a complete statue out there and his arm is above average from the few tapes I watched. Like I said in another thread, it's a win-win for UK. If he pans out then you bump him up to a scholarship, if he doesn't pan out then you're not wasting a scholarship on him.
 
The whole deal seems pretty odd indeed. But, as others have said, there’s really no risk for UK. Our QB room is essentially only 2 deep. If you know our recent history and remember Lynn Bowden from 2019, we got in such trouble at QB he was a wide receiver running the show. Thankfully he did amazing and won like 5 of 7 games, including a bowl. But we don’t want to be in that position again, lol!
I wouldn’t say that . I’ve been told the staff has been pleasantly surprised with the Sheron kid from Somerset .
 
Lots of kids in high school come in with tons of accolaids and don't produce. Iowa has had two 5* OL recruited in the past 15 years and both proved total busts. It happens.

What I'm saying in my original post, I guess I didn't say it unless you read between the lines, you're getting a QB who has played enough snaps in his first two years of college to count on 2 hands. He was unable to beat out two pretty below average Power 5 QBs who ran ahead of him on the depth chart, and when he announced he was leaving Iowa may have actually been #4 on the QB depth chart.

I do hope though Duece can see the field at UK at some point.

I wouldn't start making plans for a serious run to the CFP as your QB.
I seriously doubt he will ever see a live game snap . I believe our quarterback options will really increase by the time Will Levis finishes his career here .
 
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Here’s the relevant thread on the Iowa board regarding Duece:


If anything, they show less concern/remorse than PSU fans on the loss of Levis.

They have backhanded “compliments” regarding NIL activity and Kentucky business involvement.
 
Here’s the relevant thread on the Iowa board regarding Duece:


If anything, they show less concern/remorse than PSU fans on the loss of Levis.

They have backhanded “compliments” regarding NIL activity and Kentucky business involvement.
Whether one's read is good or bad from the "free" Hawkeye Report football board, I can count on about one hand how many really good posters are on there. Your football board here is far superior to the Iowa board. I stay off that "free" Rivals board for Iowa for this reason.

Take my account on Duece that I posted here originally if you want to get the most fair assesment. :)
 
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Looking at this from my Iowa City Hawkeye perspective (hi again everyone) and hoping I have earned people's respect here previously with my Hawkeye knowledge and doing it with an objective perspective.

Overall, this is a real puzzling choice Duece made in deciding to walk-on at Kentucky.

I say this first and foremost because word from those in the know here question if he's a Power 5 QB or high DI QB for that matter. We mostly assumed he'd try finding his way back to Texas at a place like Abilene Christian or Texas-San Antonio or somewhere like that.

I put merit into the whispers from the Iowa camp about Duece's ability because Iowa had two QBs ahead of him this year who simply were NOT Power 5 QBs-- you saw one of them in Petras. Padilla his backup was not any better. To not earn time ahead of either, coupled with word Duece really struggled with the playbook, was not a great thing to hear. Additionally, Iowa had a true freshman QB this year (one year behind Hogan) in Labas who some said either did, or was on the verge, of passing Duece by on the depth chart.

Secondly, surprising in the fact he likely would have received scholarship offers from lower D1 schools to go there, but instead opted to pay his own way to Kentucky.

But give the kid kudos for having ultra confidence in trying the Baker Mayfield route of walking on at a Power 5 school and looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And from Kentucky's standpoint, he's not eating a scholarship-- you're getting him for free. After he signed and was still in high school, he did proclaim big things would happen from him at Iowa, and while they never did in two years in Iowa City= he had the confidence to shout it out.

Duece is a good kid by every account. He committed early to Iowa and very publicly recruited other recruits to join him at Iowa. You always love guys like that and really want things to work out for guys like that. He wore his black and gold on his sleeve in high school.

The incident involving the Kirk Ferentz public remarks the week of the Nebraska game about Duece were unfortunate-- stupid on Kirk's account. Uncharacteristic of Kirk and even though I truly know he didn't intentionally intend to hurt to the kid with his remarks. However, Duece's mother called KF out on it. Kirk admitted he made a mistake even though it was intended as a in a joke and regretted making the comment.

I wish Duece great success in Lexington. Hope it works out. I have no idea what your current QB room looks like, but you've just added another.

NOTE: Funny how Iowa got a basketball transfer several years ago from Kentucky by the same last name-- Hogan. Guard Ryan. Turned out to be nothing special at Iowa-- played for Steve Alford here.
We can agree that things did not work out for Deuce Hogan in Iowa City. Since these facts were publicly reported by multiple sources, we can also agree that Hogan was a ranked prospect in the state of TX as a prostyle QB and received scholarship offers from GA, Baylor, and OK St in 2020.

Sometimes things don't work out like we want. When a recruit busts, it is painful for the fan base. But it happens. I can see how a prostyle QB might not turn out to be a good fit for IA's offensive style or for IA's staff. I can see how a young kid can get discouraged. But I do not see why a HC would humiliate the kid in public. That is unusual behavior to say the least, and Hogan's parent was right to draw a red line.

People deserve a second chance. IMO, Hogan is demonstrating courage and confidence in himself. Maybe Liam Coen sees something that Ferentz didn't. Maybe Ferentz will be proven right. Or maybe he won't. At the end of the day, Mark Stoops has a very good track record with transfers. You have been a reasonable poster on our board. Let's just let it play out.
 
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We can agree that things did not work out for Deuce Hogan in Iowa City. Since these facts were publicly reported by multiple sources, we can also agree that Hogan was a ranked prospect in the state of TX as a prostyle QB and received scholarship offers from GA, Baylor, and OK St in 2020.

Sometimes things don't work out like we want. When a recruit busts, it is painful for the fan base. But it happens. I can see how a prostyle QB might not turn out to be a good fit for IA's offensive style or for IA's staff. I can see how a young kid can get discouraged. But I do not see why a HC would humiliate the kid in public. That is unusual behavior to say the least, and Hogan's parent was right to draw a red line.

People deserve a second chance. IMO, Hogan is demonstrating courage and confidence in himself. Maybe Liam Coen sees something that Ferentz didn't. Maybe Ferentz will be proven right. Or maybe he won't. At the end of the day, Mark Stoops has a very good track record with transfers. You have been a reasonable poster on our board. Let's just let it play out.
I never stated Duece doesn't deserve a chance. If you don't like my analysis on Duece, the player, to this point in his career, that's a far cry difference from saying I'm not for letting things play out.

Again, we can stand on Ferentz's long history and track record as considered one of the best professionals in the business- Mark Stoops would be one of the first to say that about Kirk. If you listen to the actual quote, in context, along with knowing Ferentz, there was zero intention of embarrassing the kid. Should Kirk have known it could be taken the wrong way though? Damn right-- he should have and again, a STUPID thing was said-- in jest or not. Just so uncharacteristic any of this happened.

I said the same thing as you earlier about Hogan- the kid is showing great confidence in walking on at a Power 5 school after really getting no opportunity to play in two years at Iowa. And I have zero doubt, with the great respect between the Stoops boys and Ferentz, that Mark and Kirk spoke about Duece before any of this came down and clearly there were positives said.
 
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I never stated Duece doesn't deserve a chance. If you don't like my analysis on Duece, the player, to this point in his career, that's a far cry difference from saying I'm not for letting things play out.
Then I guess I would invite you to read my comment again. I did not suggest you don't think Hogan deserves a second chance. I only offered that he does in fact deserve one. I suggested we can let things play out, because that seems the most reasonable closure for all concerned. I did not suggest or expect you would disagree. So I don't know where that is coming from.

Having said that, we know what it is like when a prospect busts. Every fan base has experienced this. Every fan base has placed expectations on recruits. Every fan base has been pleasantly surprised by some recruits and disappointed by others.

But I don't think I have ever seen a better case for a player to leave a program. I noticed that you seemed to want to share why Hogan did not succeed in Iowa City. Thanks. Liam Coen seems to think he might succeed here in Lexington. As I said earlier, we will find out. He deserves another chance.
 
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Here’s the relevant thread on the Iowa board regarding Duece:


If anything, they show less concern/remorse than PSU fans on the loss of Levis.

They have backhanded “compliments” regarding NIL activity and Kentucky business involvement.
Iowa has 4 quarterbacks and none of them have demonstrated more than average at best ability, why is this? Could it be their staff just isn't getting the job done when it comes to development? It just doesn't make any sense that this kid puts up the kind of number he did in HS but can't make the jump to college football.

When the entire class flunks is it the students or is it the teacher?
 
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Pretty surprising he came here. What are the chances almost any QB can come into the SEC and be a star. In this league you could be a big star in the Big Ten but struggle in this league. He will have so much competition just climbing the ladder any in our program. If he wants SEC football maybe he has some fight in him.
 
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Iowa has 4 quarterbacks and none of them have demonstrated more than average at best ability, why is this? Could it be their staff just isn't getting the job done when it comes to development? It just doesn't make any sense that this kid puts up the kind of number he did in HS but can't make the jump to college football.

When the entire class flunks is it the students or is it the teacher?
Fair point but we have no way to grade Hogan in games because we never saw him.

However, I think it's a bit unfair to judge the Iowa staff's development on Petras especially.

You saw Petras in the bowl game. He's a statue-- a sitting duck. Accuracy too much of the time is terrible. He's also slow. Really hard to work with that and expect greatness.

Iowa's backup, Alex Padilla, who didn't play in the bowl game, simply does not have DI talent in my opinion when I've seen him at QB for us.
 
Fair point but we have no way to grade Hogan in games because we never saw him.

However, I think it's a bit unfair to judge the Iowa staff's development on Petras especially.

You saw Petras in the bowl game. He's a statue-- a sitting duck. Accuracy too much of the time is terrible. He's also slow. Really hard to work with that and expect greatness.

Iowa's backup, Alex Padilla, who didn't play in the bowl game, simply does not have DI talent in my opinion when I've seen him at QB for us.
A couple of years ago we were having similar discussion on her about our own offensive staff. The QBs just didn't seem to be developing so fans were asking is it the QBs or is it the coaching? We dismissed the OC and the QB coach and brought in Coen who does both, and now you see what we've got.
 
We can agree that things did not work out for Deuce Hogan in Iowa City. Since these facts were publicly reported by multiple sources, we can also agree that Hogan was a ranked prospect in the state of TX as a prostyle QB and received scholarship offers from GA, Baylor, and OK St in 2020.

Sometimes things don't work out like we want. When a recruit busts, it is painful for the fan base. But it happens. I can see how a prostyle QB might not turn out to be a good fit for IA's offensive style or for IA's staff. I can see how a young kid can get discouraged. But I do not see why a HC would humiliate the kid in public. That is unusual behavior to say the least, and Hogan's parent was right to draw a red line.

People deserve a second chance. IMO, Hogan is demonstrating courage and confidence in himself. Maybe Liam Coen sees something that Ferentz didn't. Maybe Ferentz will be proven right. Or maybe he won't. At the end of the day, Mark Stoops has a very good track record with transfers. You have been a reasonable poster on our board. Let's just let it play out.
If I were a rival recruiter I would absolutely use those comments against Ferentz . I’d just ask , “Do you really want to go play for a guy that talks like this in public about his players?”
 
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