Does Briscoe have the potential to be a good shooter?

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. He's a rebounding machine and high energy. Can his shots start falling? Was he a bad shooter in High School or did he just never have to shoot from the outside?

I really like the kid but with Lee and Poythress not being able to shoot, a third guy on the court that can't shoot is going to send us toward countless road losses.

 

[TODASAURUS]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. He's a rebounding machine and high energy. Can his shots start falling? Was he a bad shooter in High School or did he just never have to shoot from the outside?

I really like the kid but with Lee and Poythress not being able to shoot, a third guy on the court that can't shoot is going to send us toward countless road losses.

NO- And I agree we need another shooter - If he can get Willis to play D he can help.

 

[WildcatDJ]

I don't think shooting will ever be his greatest strength, but I do think he can be an adequate shooter for us.

 

[uk_fan_in_tn]

He has no feel on his jump shot. It looks like a brick immediately after leaving his hands. Which is a little surprising because he has so much feel and touch around the basket, he makes shots from all different angles around the rim.

 

[55wildcat]

He needs to learn free throw shooting BEFORE anything else, How does he get better? Needs to live in the gym for awhile. It's totally on him. I can't remember any guard that was that bad at the line,

 

[brookslouky]

Stop shooting, Isiah! Even his fouls at the rim are turnovers. He couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel.

 

[SpamburgerHamburger]

He has the ability and talent to be as good of a shooter as he's willing to work to be. And to just say "stop shooting" is worse than than shooting and missing.

 

[uk_fan_in_tn]

He needs to learn free throw shooting BEFORE anything else, How does he get better? Needs to live in the gym for awhile. It's totally on him. I can't remember any guard that was that bad at the line,

Wayne Turner. I think he got to be close to a 60% FT shooter by his senior year. Was atrocious.

 

[55wildcat]

Wayne Turner. I think he got to be close to a 60% FT shooter by his senior year. Was atrocious.

But not as bad as Briscoe..Wayne's shot always looked like he started it crooked..

 

[JasonS.]

We don't need him to be good. I'd settle for slightly less horrible.

We've had some pretty bad shooting guards (Wayne Turner, Cliff Hawkins and Sean Woods come to mind immediately) be great players here despite that.

 

[Smashcat]

He couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel

haha

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Stop shooting, Isiah! Even his fouls at the rim are turnovers. He couldn't hit sand if he fell off a camel.

That won't happen. Did you see when Cal was Mic'd up during the Mississippi game and he told Isiah "You've got to start taking more shots?" Like it or not, Cal is comitted to getting Isiah to the NBA.

 

[WeWant9]

Yes, if we can figure out a way to get Lamb or someone to sneak back and wear Briscoes jersey. In all seriousness, yes he could become a better shooter. Just don't expect that to happen at this point in the season.

 

[JojaCat]

He can improve and here's how:
Move, Spot up, Shoot Jumper: 200X per day.
Free Throws: 500X per day.
He needs to live in the gym.

 

[K_TIME]

Guys...he is shooting 35% FT line and is UK 2nd leading FT taker. You can watch basketball your whole life and never see a guard shoot like that...every now and then a big man will do this, but never a guard.

Look at shooting challenged guards at UK ...they are all eons better than Briscoe, so what does that tell you about Briscoe's potential to shoot at an acceptable rate?

FT percentage
Rondo - 58%
Wayne Turner - 62% (his worst year was 52%)
Cliff Hawkins - 67% (his worst year was 59%)
Ryan Harrow - 70%
Dicky Beal - 69% (his worst year was 57%)
James Blackmon - 54%
Saul Smith - 67%

You can't play a guard that shoots this bad in college today. Teams just back off of him and clogs up the place for all slashers, post players, etc.. Briscoe should be used as a back up PG to give Ullis a blow and that is it. Playing him on offense is the same thing as it was watching Kyle Witljer play defense...both were literally useless on those ends of courts and killed the team's ability to win. Look no further than we beat UL w/o him...it helped us in that game to not have a 100% liability player on the floor.

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Guys...he is shooting 35% FT line and is UK 2nd leading FT taker. You can watch basketball your whole life and never see a guard shoot like that...every now and then a big man will do this, but never a guard.

Look at shooting challenged guards at UK ...they are all eons better than Briscoe, so what does that tell you about Briscoe's potential to shoot at an acceptable rate?

FT percentage
Rondo - 58%
Wayne Turner - 62% (his worst year was 52%)
Cliff Hawkins - 67% (his worst year was 59%)
Ryan Harrow - 70%
Dicky Beal - 69% (his worst year was 57%)
James Blackmon - 54%
Saul Smith - 67%

You can't play a guard that shoots this bad in college today. Teams just back off of him and clogs up the place for all slashers, post players, etc.. Briscoe should be used as a back up PG to give Ullis a blow and that is it. Playing him on offense is the same thing as it was watching Kyle Witljer play defense...both were literally useless on those ends of courts and killed the team's ability to win. Look no further than we beat UL w/o him...it helped us in that game to not have a 100% liability player on the floor.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, and I said in another thread that I was convinced that we beat U of L because he didn't play. I said that before the guy started the thread about it. Anyway, what are your thoughts on Cal telling Briscoe he needed to take more shots? I'm assuming you saw him say that to him on the bench when he was Mic'd up during the Ole Miss game.

 

[Oboro3]

It's all mental for Briscoe since he shot 72% from the free throw line in high school. He is putting too much pressure on himself at the line. His form looks fine, they just aren't falling for him. When he warms-up before the game, he shoots them fine.

 

[king of cali]

He would have to become a below average shooter before he graduated to good. Right now he is absolutely horrid.

 

[ManitouDan]

I think its mostly in his head .. but UK isnt the place for head cases ( that dont produce anyway -- LOL) Our schedule doesnt bode well for players attempting to figure things out . UK is for studs .

 

[rbky53]

Didn't he win a 3pt shooting contest at an aau game. Maybe ky isn't for everybody can't take the pressure

 

[qwesley]

His form looks fine

Looks very rigid and out of sync to me.

 

[Brooklyncats]

He has no feel on his jump shot. It looks like a brick immediately after leaving his hands. Which is a little surprising because he has so much feel and touch around the basket, he makes shots from all different angles around the rim.

This. His form is fine but he shoots it so damn hard it doesn't even have a chance to bounce in.

 

[YaySports]

He needs a shooting coach. His jumper just doesnt have a smooth release, it almost lookes like it has 'multiple pieces' to it.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

He's adjusting and his confidence is shot. I don't see why he can't turn this around, it's still early.

I'm not nearly as down on Briscoe as everyone else is.

 

[Drcatfan]

It's all mental for Briscoe since he shot 72% from the free throw line in high school. He is putting too much pressure on himself at the line. His form looks fine, they just aren't falling for him. When he warms-up before the game, he shoots them fine.

I agree it is mental, because his form looks pretty good. Most bad shooters look like bad shooters. Briscoe looks like a good shooter, but like the annoucer said the other night the biggest problem is that it just doesn't go in.

I honestly would bring in a sports pschologist to help the guy. He has to fix this and become at least an average shooter to ever play in the NBA.

 

[AzubuikeandFitch]

Bob Rotella has already visited the team. He came with Cal following his Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

 

[ThePhoenix]

I don't think it's mental. I think his form is broken. Not bad, but slightly.

His right elbow is slightly too far out. It will naturally be out some, but too much is a problem, and more importantly (like a golf swing) it must be straight when you're coming through. Some guys can adjust it from the cocking part to the follow through, but he obviously can't. That means that that his right forearm is not in line with the shot.

Maybe more importantly it means he puts his left hand on the front of the ball to balance it. That's a big no no. That left hand will always affect your accuracy because it creates side spin sometimes and a jerking motion that isn't smooth.

This is an extreme example of those things all exaggerated. Left hand on top of the ball. Right elbow flared way out, causing the right hand to not be in line with the goal (pointing left of the goal).

This is Briscoe. Notice how his right hand appears to be pointed left of the goal. See where those seams are pointing?

This is Steve Nash and the way it should be. Left hand NOT in front of the ball. Notice how, while his right elbow is flared out a little bit (again a little is normal) his right hand is perfectly in line and underneath the ball.

Some of it is mental. His form isn't bad enough to be shooting FTs this bad. He can do better. With practice and confidence, even with the flawed form, he could shoot 50-60%. But he won't get higher than that until he tweaks it a little bit.

 

[UPSCat4080]

That won't happen. Did you see when Cal was Mic'd up during the Mississippi game and he told Isiah "You've got to start taking more shots?" Like it or not, Cal is comitted to getting Isiah to the NBA.

How about Cal is trying to improve his play, so that he can be successful at UK while he is there and after he leaves?

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

He seems stiff to me with un-relaxed posture...... especially when he's shooting free throws.

 

[KA4Prez]

Anyone has the potential to be a good shooter. Shooting is an acquired skill. Some have a better knack than others, but we've seen guys turn into complete stiffs with zero ability to score outside of a dunk or a lay-up become decent NBA outside shooters (see PJ Tucker).

I agree with the assessment that Briscoe playing 30+ MPG is killing this team. He doesn't allow them to spread the floor as they pack it in against him and then, his natural tendency is to drive. He gets at least one offensive charge per game and numerous turnovers on drives to the hoop where he's stopped.

 

[HalHR2500]

His form looks fine, Oh my, that cracked me up, LOL

 

[.S&C.]

He has the ability and talent to be as good of a shooter as he's willing to work to be. And to just say "stop shooting" is worse than than shooting and missing.

Dude, are you watching Briscoe shoot the ball? This is not a farm league. We are nearly in mid January, you're aware the season ends in March, right?

If we allow Briscoe a green light like Cal did last night we are dead in the water. Briscoe has ZERO business shooting three point shots.

Hooooly crap.

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

Gotta be mental from the FT line. Briscoe is a guy usually with a big smile but at the FT line he looks like life and death. Just relax, smile, and flip it up. that's at least 50% right there and with a few makes even higher would result. He made 2 the previous game standing about 6 inches from the line. Don't remember any camera shots from last night showing if he continued that. Anyone else notice?

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Briscoe says "yes I can !"

 

[fatguy87]

Briscoe doesn't have to be a good shooter to be effective. He just can't be horrible.

 

[Icecoldbrewdoggy]

Briscoe doesn't have to be a good shooter to be effective. He just can't be horrible.

Agree. ....by "Good" I pretty much meant "not bad".

 

[acatnamedmyra]

Do any of you posters feel stupid now?

 

[sluggercatfan]

He has no feel played s jump shot. It looks like a brick immediately after leaving his hands. Which is a little surprising because he has so much feel and touch around the basket, he makes shots from all different angles around the rim.

Always thought WT was the worst shooting shooting guard that ever played at UK ...may have to revisit that