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Does anyone else actually still feel like we get one last recruit?

Yes, I disagree with some of what you said. While it is true that losing your best player to an injury can doom a team's fortunes, that doesn't mean that you don't plan for unexpected developments. Just because a thin team won the championship in 2012, that doesn't mean it's good to have a thin team. We have plenty of open scholarships, and it would be best to use some of them. The upshot of your previous posts was that Labissiere, Lee, Poythress, and Willis are enough baseline players. There, we disagree. Now, you admit that you don't expect much from Willis. OTOH, I don't expect as much from Lee as you do. People still overestimate Lee because he was a 5 star out of high school. This just shows the problem with ratings. Lee is a 1 dimensional player, although his 1 dimension is pretty good. Lee can really leap which makes him a good rebounder and shot blocker. His defense has improved. But he has no offensive game at all, and he shoots 40% from the free throw line. I don't see Lee improving much on the offensive end. These weaknesses are exploitable. This year, Calipari was able to hide them. In some matchups, Lee will be effective because of his hops. But when we need points from our bigs, Lee must sit. When the opponent posts up Lee and pushes him around, he will have to sit. When opponents foul Lee as a strategy, he will have to sit. You probably disagree, but I think time will confirm this. So, in some games, Calipari will be forced to play Labissiere and Poythress for 32-35 minutes. If 1 of them gets into foul trouble, Calipari may have to use Lee in a bad matchup, which may cost us a couple games. Lee himself is also foul prone. We could really use 1 more big. Nothing Wynyard has said suggests he will play next year. He seems to be teed up for the following year, which is why he is listed everywhere as a member of the following class. And yes, we could also use another perimeter scorer too. I don't doubt that Matthews and Mulder are good additions, but it is not clear if they will be ready to contribute at a high level right away. I don't know how much Willis and Hawkins will ever give us. We need another big and another wing.
I don't disagree that we need another big but the fact is not many are left out there.Thon Maker and the Greek kid seem very unlikely and most of the others are commited.Maybe Cal could dig up a project but Marcus Lee would be better than that IMO.
 
I think we will probably sign one more player, but to be honest I am pretty happy with the current roster. I would also like to see what Willis can do with some real minutes if he gets the chance. If he can't at least get some minutes on this year's team he will have no one else to blame but himself. I actually think he will be a solid contributor if he can get his confidence up.
 
It will be interesting to see where Cal's priorities are.

Right now, he seems to be more interested in signing another guard/wing.

But it's hard to tell in recruiting. Maybe a big man is the top priority, but he is waiting on Maker to decide before moving on Izundu or the Greek kid.

Or maybe he is content with the bigs we have.

It is possible that he plans to roll with Labissiere, Poythress, and Lee as his big man rotation?

I kind of think that Cal needs to give Lee a shot to shine or risk that being used against him in recruiting. It doesn't look good for a coach who prides himself in getting guys ready for the NBA to have a 5-star sitting on his bench for three straight years without playing significant minutes.

If he signs another big, then other coaches will tell recruits that Cal recruits over 5-stars if they don't pan out in the first couple of years. Ouch!

Should be interesting to see how Cal finishes out this recruiting cycle.
 
This makes 0 sense.

Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, John Wall, Jeff Teague, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, Ty Lawson, Mike Conley, Isaiah Thomas.

Those are the top 12 PG's using PER value for the entire season. Not one of those players is 6'5". In fact, it's not until you get to #24 on the list, Jordan Clarkson, that you get to a guy listed at 6'5" or more.


OK! Excuse me. How many total NBA teams are there? By the way I could care less because I don't watch the NBA. I am entertained by armature sports. You want to talk UK basketball bring it on. Calling me out, an admit I was wrong in saying anything about professional basketball. Count on my vote as poster of the year.
 
This makes 0 sense.

Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, John Wall, Jeff Teague, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, Ty Lawson, Mike Conley, Isaiah Thomas.

Those are the top 12 PG's using PER value for the entire season. Not one of those players is 6'5". In fact, it's not until you get to #24 on the list, Jordan Clarkson, that you get to a guy listed at 6'5" or more.





In the NBA, point guards are usually about 6' 4" (1.93 m) (with the exception of taller point guards which includes Magic Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Shaun Livingston and Michael Carter-Williams), and average about 6' 2.75" (1.90 m JOHN WALL ALSO 6'4"
As you can see for something I don't waste my time on I was off by an inch in a lot of cases
That makes sense to me.
 
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Who like me still thinks we get at least one more player to this years roster, and who thinks its done?

Yes i think we add one more...we all
Know the recruits r maker, vick and murray.... Of those i would prefer murray but would love any. I think we get vick. I dont think maker or murray reclass
 
Disagree.

We have three 5-star players at the 4-5 spots. All three are going to need to get minutes.

Labissiere is going to get 25-30 minutes per game.

Poythress is going to get 25-30 minutes per game.

Lee will get 20-25 minutes per game.

That doesn't leave many minutes for a fourth player.

Willis needs to steps up and give us a few minutes at the 4.

Also, we have Wynyard possibly coming in second semester.

I don't see a backup big as being as important as adding another shooter/scorer.

Unless Wynyard has announced something recent he has said he is a 2016 recruit.
 
It will be interesting to see where Cal's priorities are.

Right now, he seems to be more interested in signing another guard/wing.

But it's hard to tell in recruiting. Maybe a big man is the top priority, but he is waiting on Maker to decide before moving on Izundu or the Greek kid.

Or maybe he is content with the bigs we have.

It is possible that he plans to roll with Labissiere, Poythress, and Lee as his big man rotation?

I kind of think that Cal needs to give Lee a shot to shine or risk that being used against him in recruiting. It doesn't look good for a coach who prides himself in getting guys ready for the NBA to have a 5-star sitting on his bench for three straight years without playing significant minutes.

If he signs another big, then other coaches will tell recruits that Cal recruits over 5-stars if they don't pan out in the first couple of years. Ouch!

Should be interesting to see how Cal finishes out this recruiting cycle.

Now that more teams are accepting the OAD process, anyone can be accused of that now. There will be hits and misses so I don't think that will be a problem at all.
 
Unless Wynyard has announced something recent he has said he is a 2016 recruit.

His HS year is over in December, so he could come in second semester or stay home for Summer (our Winter months).

I don't think he has said anything definitive recently. Last I heard he was open to the idea.

It would make the most sense for him since he will get a head start on his classes and get to work with the staff.

I don't think he plays, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets an early start on classes and practice by coming in after Christmas.

His parents are professional athletes, they probably understand the advantage of him getting a head start on the competition.
 
Now that more teams are accepting the OAD process, anyone can be accused of that now. There will be hits and misses so I don't think that will be a problem at all.

It would still be used as ammunition against Cal. And some recruits will listen.
 
Yes, I disagree with some of what you said. While it is true that losing your best player to an injury can doom a team's fortunes, that doesn't mean that you don't plan for unexpected developments. Just because a thin team won the championship in 2012, that doesn't mean it's good to have a thin team. We have plenty of open scholarships, and it would be best to use some of them. The upshot of your previous posts was that Labissiere, Lee, Poythress, and Willis are enough baseline players. There, we disagree. Now, you admit that you don't expect much from Willis. OTOH, I don't expect as much from Lee as you do. People still overestimate Lee because he was a 5 star out of high school. This just shows the problem with ratings. Lee is a 1 dimensional player, although his 1 dimension is pretty good. Lee can really leap which makes him a good rebounder and shot blocker. His defense has improved. But he has no offensive game at all, and he shoots 40% from the free throw line. I don't see Lee improving much on the offensive end. These weaknesses are exploitable. This year, Calipari was able to hide them. In some matchups, Lee will be effective because of his hops. But when we need points from our bigs, Lee must sit. When the opponent posts up Lee and pushes him around, he will have to sit. When opponents foul Lee as a strategy, he will have to sit. You probably disagree, but I think time will confirm this. So, in some games, Calipari will be forced to play Labissiere and Poythress for 32-35 minutes. If 1 of them gets into foul trouble, Calipari may have to use Lee in a bad matchup, which may cost us a couple games. Lee himself is also foul prone. We could really use 1 more big. Nothing Wynyard has said suggests he will play next year. He seems to be teed up for the following year, which is why he is listed everywhere as a member of the following class. And yes, we could also use another perimeter scorer too. I don't doubt that Matthews and Mulder are good additions, but it is not clear if they will be ready to contribute at a high level right away. I don't know how much Willis and Hawkins will ever give us. We need another big and another wing.
You make good points,I would think that several of them (particularly the ones about Lee,Wilis and Hawkins)would be clear to anyone that watched us play last year.The fact that Cal is still out there looking to pick up a player or 2 should be evidence that he feels a need to add to this team.As a few others have said there are very few bigs stil out there at this time,we are trying to get the best available players at any position.We are a bit guard heavy and it would seem to make UK a little less attractive to Murray (if he decides to play college basketball at all)
 
You make good points,I would think that several of them (particularly the ones about Lee,Wilis and Hawkins)would be clear to anyone that watched us play last year.The fact that Cal is still out there looking to pick up a player or 2 should be evidence that he feels a need to add to this team.As a few others have said there are very few bigs stil out there at this time,we are trying to get the best available players at any position.We are a bit guard heavy and it would seem to make UK a little less attractive to Murray (if he decides to play college basketball at all)

I doubt our guards would scare off Murray. Only Ulis and Briscoe are in his league.

Murray would be a starter and get 30+ minutes per game.

I don't think he'll be scared off by any of our guards, unless he is dead set on running the point full time and being the man. If so, then so be it.

Hawkins, Mulder, and Matthews are role players. They will play behind Ulis, Briscoe, and Murray.

Hopefully, Murray realizes that he can come to UK, compete for a title, improve his skills under one of the best coaches at developing talent, and then get drafted after one season.

Of the team's recruiting Murray, UK is really the only one that is a legitimate top 5 (with him) that can contend for a title, IMHO.

If he wants to compete for a title, the choice should be clear.
 
Ulis and Briscoe might give Murray cause to question how many minutes he would get at the position he will be paid to play in a year

If he chooses to play in college he might as well be on a team that has a decent shot to get to a FF and practice with and play with multiple players that will play at the next level .


It seems likely that Murray would make us a different team,I hope he comes to UK but it seems like a 50/50 shot at best.
 
Ulis and Briscoe might give Murray cause to question how many minutes he would get at the position he will be paid to play in a year

If he chooses to play in college he might as well be on a team that has a decent shot to get to a FF and practice with and play with multiple players that will play at the next level .


It seems likely that Murray would make us a different team,I hope he comes to UK but it seems like a 50/50 shot at best.


Does Murray even have an offer from UK?
 
More schools are accepting OAD now?

I was under the impression most schools were offering OAD since the system began.
 
Does Murray even have an offer from UK?


Good question! Seems like both sides are playing everything close to the vest on Murray. Unless some movement starts brewing fast I believe we pick up Vick. Vick is very talented and very underrated. I think when Murray had a chance to be in Lexington and stayed home was very telling sign to me. I would take either one and be happy.
 
Good question! Seems like both sides are playing everything close to the vest on Murray. Unless some movement starts brewing fast I believe we pick up Vick. Vick is very talented and very underrated. I think when Murray had a chance to be in Lexington and stayed home was very telling sign to me. I would take either one and be happy.
In an interview, Murray's dad said that Coach Cal told him his son had a scholarship waiting on him whether it was this year or next.
 
I'm for getting anybody who can help the team next year but not just extra bodies to sit on the bench
 
I doubt our guards would scare off Murray. Only Ulis and Briscoe are in his league.

Murray would be a starter and get 30+ minutes per game.

I don't think he'll be scared off by any of our guards, unless he is dead set on running the point full time and being the man. If so, then so be it.

Hawkins, Mulder, and Matthews are role players. They will play behind Ulis, Briscoe, and Murray.

Hopefully, Murray realizes that he can come to UK, compete for a title, improve his skills under one of the best coaches at developing talent, and then get drafted after one season.

Of the team's recruiting Murray, UK is really the only one that is a legitimate top 5 (with him) that can contend for a title, IMHO.

If he wants to compete for a title, the choice should be clear.

Matthews and Mulder are not role players but they aren't one and done either. Matthews is a 2-3 player and Mulder is a guy with pro potential as well but your point is vaild . Murray is better then any guard in this class not named Briscoe .
 
Matthews and Mulder are not role players but they aren't one and done either. Matthews is a 2-3 player and Mulder is a guy with pro potential as well but your point is vaild . Murray is better then any guard in this class not named Briscoe .

Depends on your definition of a role player.

Let's put it this way, I do not expect either one to be a double digit scorer as a first year player.

I am counting on them to give us a combined 9-10ppg and 4-5rpg (if we don't sign anyone else for the 3 spot). Anything more would be gravy, IMHO.
 
Unless Wynyard has announced something recent he has said he is a 2016 recruit.
Yep
At the Hoops Summit game he said he will go to college in 2016. People need to quit acting like he will be a member of this class.
 
I certainly hope so. IMO if you are allowed 13 SS players and you only have 9 you put yourself on a probation like SS restriction type thing. Yes I know that UK has 10 players on SS but Florell is not a recruited SS player. He is WO that was given a SS because one was available. UK barely has enough players to scrimmage 5 on 5 when you include Florell.

Having 7 players go Pro early might be great for those players going and even that is debatable with about at least three of them. It is however not great for the depth of your team.
 
Yep
At the Hoops Summit game he said he will go to college in 2016. People need to quit acting like he will be a member of this class.

And when do classes start second semester? 2016.

Besides, kids change their minds all the time.

It makes sense for him to start classes and practice right out of HS and he will be finished with HS in December.

The fact is he can come in second semester, if he wants to.

It may not happen, but you can not rule it out either.
 
Depends on your definition of a role player.

Let's put it this way, I do not expect either one to be a double digit scorer as a first year player.

I am counting on them to give us a combined 9-10ppg and 4-5rpg (if we don't sign anyone else for the 3 spot). Anything more would be gravy, IMHO.
I don't understand why so many on this board doubt Mulder. HE IS 6'4'' WITH A 6'10'' wingspand,has big time hops,can shoot the3,can take it to the hole,and plays hard. A lot of you don't know but vincines is one of the best jc teams in the country. They have produced many nba players over the years,one of which was Bob McAdoo. remember him? I don't see how Mulder will not be a big time player next year.
 
I don't understand why so many on this board doubt Mulder. HE IS 6'4'' WITH A 6'10'' wingspand,has big time hops,can shoot the3,can take it to the hole,and plays hard. A lot of you don't know but vincines is one of the best jc teams in the country. They have produced many nba players over the years,one of which was Bob McAdoo. remember him? I don't see how Mulder will not be a big time player next year.

6'10 wingspan sounds promising. This is the first I have heard about that.

I for one am skeptical about JUCO's in general.

We haven't had much luck with them in recent history.

It's been awhile since the days of Dale Brown and Rodney Dent, I keep seeing visions of Rekalim Sims and Kevin Galloway.

I am cautiously optimistic when it comes to Mulder (and this team in general), but I am not going to go overboard and expect him to be a superstar.

I hope you are right, though. Love to see this kid give us double digit scoring at the 3 spot. That would be sweet.
 
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