Do you think we are totally done with this class?
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Comparing 2016 to 2013 is either lazy or ignorant.
If that 2013 team had played to it's potential, they would have been no worse than a 4 seed.
That team imploded due to poor attitudes, lack of chemistry and a major injury. If you are suggesting that this is likely at this point, you should be living in Vegas.
If that 2013 team had played to it's potential, they would have been no worse than a 4 seed.
That team imploded due to poor attitudes, lack of chemistry and a major injury. If you are suggesting that this is likely at this point, you should be living in Vegas.
Good point. At one time he was said to be considering reclassifying for the 2015 class. I'd have to bet Cal is pushing that agenda now. He would be a great addition to this class
Maker starts from day one.
G Ulis
G Briscoe
F Poythress
F Labissiere
F Maker
Offensively, we run the DDMO and Maker and Labissiere have perimeter skills to make up for Poythress. This will create mismatches as bigs have to come out on Maker and Labissiere. Maker and Labissiere handle and pass very well for bigs and can shoot jumpers. Poythress can post up SFs at times.
Defensively, Poy can guard the 3, Skal the 4, and Maker the 5 spot.
That team would be a title contender for sure.
G Ulis
G Briscoe
F Poythress
F Labissiere
F Maker
Offensively, we run the DDMO and Maker and Labissiere have perimeter skills to make up for Poythress. This will create mismatches as bigs have to come out on Maker and Labissiere. Maker and Labissiere handle and pass very well for bigs and can shoot jumpers. Poythress can post up SFs at times.
Defensively, Poy can guard the 3, Skal the 4, and Maker the 5 spot.
That team would be a title contender for sure.
Didn't he only play 6 that year - and not because he'd rather just play 6-7, but because that's all he had, literally. Guess I need to go look at that roster. This year he'll have Ulis, Briscoe, Poy, Mulder, Skal, Matthews, Lee - that's 8, plus Willis and Hawkins. That's 10 bodies, and I'm not talking walkons. You don't need to wait to see anything, we're already there even if he adds no one else.
Poythress isn't playing small forward. Calipari has already stated this on record. YOu and others in the fanbase need to stop dreaming about it.
What a lazy, and outright stupid comparison. You gonna bring up our two 5 star PF's? or our other 5 star PG that we're bringing in, that's the top PG in the class, and is primarily a scoring guard (which can compliment Ulis tremendously)? or the four star recruit coming in that was top 25 before he was injured? Maybe you could mention that the JUCO was the best scorer on the best team in junior college, and even at the D1 level, would be one of the elite 3 point shooters in the country? And before you even think about saying "Oh, but he did that in JUCO", it was incredibly rare that Booker took a contested 3. You can count on one hand how mamny times he took a contested 3, and here's the thing, Mulder still has the higher percentage (by quite a bit), and he took quite a few more shots than Booker did.
Hey, watch this, I'm gonna do what you did in a more positive fashion.
"The last time we had the top projected pick in the draft, who was the #1 big in the class, brought in a really athletic wing that can defend well, and a top 2 point guard, as well as a 3 point specialist that could drive it into the lane, and wasn't a freshman, we won the title".
And if he developed a skillset that would suit a SF position, and make us match up better, what do you say then? "Nope, power forward. Don't care if he can play like a really good small forward, I say power forward."
Not only do you totally demean everything we've already seen from Ulis by comparing him to Harrow and ridiculously compare Wiltjer's 12 mpg on a championship team to the returning combination of Lee, Poy, Ulis, and even Hawkins, but you totally ignore Briscoe and Matthews. That team you're talking about played a very young Hawkins, as well as Polson and Hood, significant minutes.
Ulis > Harrow
Briscoe > Goodwin (projection)
Matthews/Mulder = young/out of position Poythress. Don't really know a ton about this position.
SR Poythress > Wiltjer
Skal = Nerlens
Bench of: one of Matthews/Mulder, Lee, Hawkins, and Willis > Mays, Hawkins, Polson, Hood.
And even totally ignoring the talent discrepancy, the basketball iq, competitiveness, etc on next years roster alone will lead to more success than 2013.
If you honestly look at this roster and think it's an NIT team, you must be a miserable person. Last year was the only year we'll ever go 10 deep with 5 stars. This is literally just like every other year and every other roster Cal has ever assembled here. Only difference is, now there's a segment of our fan base that thinks you need to be two deep at every position to even stand a chance at competing.
I wish people would read the posts they quote.
Poythress would guard the 3 in this scenario, which he is definitely capable of doing.
Offensively, running the DDMO, positions on offense would not be as important because of being a MOTION offense. Players rotate on offense.
We won't have a true post player (back to the basket) so sometimes Maker and Labissiere will be out on the perimeter. No one is going to be on the block most of the time. Four guys on the perimeter and the fifth will be off the block, opposite ball side for lobs and rebounds.
So am I saying Poythress will play SF on offense, not really.
Most people don't understand motion offense, so it's hard to explain.
We don't need to be so caught up with positions on offense.
Defense is where that matters, because we will probably play straight up man to man.
Maybe I should say that Labissiere or Maker will be the SF, but then someone would say that neither one could guard the 3 and I would have to clarify that.
Maybe I should just not worry about it when people don't understand what I am saying.
I usually take the blame myself and think I just can't explain it very well, so I try to clarify and I'm probably just wasting my time.
So maybe I should just say that your right and Poythress can not play the SF and leave it that.
So what you are telling me is you know more about what Calipari has planned to do with Poythress than Calipari himself? This is classic ridiculous UK fanbase. Calipari has said himself POYTHRESS IS NOT PAYING SMALL FORWARD. Get it through your thick skull.
You're right.
Poythress will be the Power Forward.
I stand corrected.
Now as the Power Forward, Poythress will probably guard the 3 spot in many matchups. Other players may have trouble staying with the other team's Small Forward, so Poythress will have to guard that spot sometimes, since he can guard that spot.
But in no way, shape, or form, will he play Small Forward ever again.
A thousand pardons.
One of the backups on that 2013 team was Willie Cauley Stein, I don't remember a Hawkins on that team, even so, I do agree with you, 16 returns much more experience.
My fellow BBN'ers have pretty much said it all in response to this ridiculous post but I will add one thing. Trade out Ryan Harrow for Tyler Ulis on the 2013 team and it would have been elite.
Honestly, we do not know what this team will do.
The talent is there, but it's about more than talent.
They have to gel. They need to have chemistry.
If everyone accepts their role, then there's plenty of talent to win.
The talent is there, but it's about more than talent.
They have to gel. They need to have chemistry.
If everyone accepts their role, then there's plenty of talent to win.
Yeah I got a little too fired up to actually use facts apparently haha but you get the sentiment. My memory got foggy and I didn't take the time to look them up.
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