I’ve never been to an AAU event, do they have lots of fans there or is it sponsored by shoe companies? The AAU scene to me seems more geared to get players exposure and college coaches a central place to watch them. I don’t know if it’s profitable but I’m guessing it doesn’t have a large following.
David West league to rival NCAA
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I don't hate anyone on here though I do get tired of some takes. Without tv money, it will matter very little. Sponsors come in because of popularity and viewers, they are not altruistic.
Obviously it isn't as big as college football. No one thinks it is.
However, you can see games all over broadcast TV right now, every night of the week. I am a Dish Network subscriber and see games on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SEC, FoxSports, CBS Sports, Big10 Network and a few others every single night. So, obviously there is an interest.
Attendance at games is down simply because of what I just wrote. You don't have to pay for tickets, food, gas and wait in line to go to the restroom when you can see all the games on TV or just record them to watch later.
Colleges are pricing themselves out of the market with ever-increasing ticket prices. I'm 51 and never thought I'd see the day we wouldn't sell out every home UK game. But, high ticket prices combined with bad scheduling has made staying home to watch the game on HDTV a LOT more appealing.
ESPN/SEC Network are paying quite a lot of money to show games and CBS wrote a pretty sizeable check to secure the NCAA tourney. So, obviously there is interest and a market for selling ads. You make it sound like college basketball is dead and buried. It isn't anywhere close to that point.
There are some things that need to be addressed...fewer timeouts, better/more consistent officiating, more high level games in pre-conference season, etc.
But, at least we aren't in the 4 Corners Era when college basketball was REALLY bad!
Bagleys got millions to run a team. Josh Jackson’s mom. Yes ran by shoe companies.
Aau gets plenty of money. You assume if the league can’t draw good players and capable coaches they won’t get money. More than just espn out there. Maybe even have lines on those games to bet too
I've never been in the camp that the college-life (parties, big man on campus, etc) can beat out the NBA-life (no classes, Bugati's, etc).. But these developmental leagues are different. A lot of high schoolers after the top15 are gonna try for it, and they will find themselves traveling from Canton to Sioux Falls, to get schooled by guys like Demetrius Jackson (24th/2013/$170k salary) and Yante Maten (77th/2014/$77k salary).
As a highschooler, not in the top15, give me the college life for two years and a shot to get drafted from there.. as opposed to going right to the G-League, for $35k/year, and much more difficult competition. Worst case the college route still affords the D-league.
.. and everything I said above? x2 for this David West league.
As a highschooler, not in the top15, give me the college life for two years and a shot to get drafted from there.. as opposed to going right to the G-League, for $35k/year, and much more difficult competition. Worst case the college route still affords the D-league.
.. and everything I said above? x2 for this David West league.
So they pay the kids to play basketball in the summer, and then pay for a scholarship for them to go to school? I’m guessing that scholarship would have a cap so it wouldn’t cover say going to Vandy or Stanford. Of course they would have to get accepted at the school. It’s an interesting idea, but I wonder how many kids who want to play for money at 18 and give up their NCAA eligibility are really interested in school anyway. And I wonder who would watch it or if they could even get it televised because I don’t think they would get many talented players.
David West said he wanted "something fair" for the players. That is a death knell before he even starts. You must be fair to the business before you can be fair to the employee, not the other way around. The compressed time period (season) with the kind of salary he is talking about, just isn't going to work, its ridiculous.
I'm an advocate of letting college players make money off their likeliness. Autographs , posters, commercials, billboards, etc. If they are marketable, then they should make dough...if not, guess what, free college!
Not sure about formally paying- I've gone back and forth and many have noted (correctly) that this would set a precedent and open up pandora's box.
That said, let them be marketers of themselves. If people want Herro's autograph but not Baker's, so be it.
But, like John Wall said, I've been poor my whole life, what difference does one more year make?
Not sure about formally paying- I've gone back and forth and many have noted (correctly) that this would set a precedent and open up pandora's box.
That said, let them be marketers of themselves. If people want Herro's autograph but not Baker's, so be it.
But, like John Wall said, I've been poor my whole life, what difference does one more year make?
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I get the feeling these leagues are designed for the after high school kid so they don’t have to compete with grown men. Not sure how long these nike and adidas companies sign contracts with schools. Like duration. I’m sure they invested enough into Kentucky and duke brands they want their investment back. But this is the new wave for
The ncaa to circumvented and kids getting paid. Ncaa can thank themselves for this mess they created it. Much like the Olympics. The ncaa will lose the bs amateurism clause and will allow kids
To be paid. Ncaa is a business and once these kids go different routes and they lose money they have no other way to survive. Instead of closing a blind eye to Zion getting homes and cash On tape mind you while giving BYU the death penalty for a kid who took a couple thousand dollars.
What I don't think a lot of people have done here yet, is actually look at the rosters of some of these G-leagues. The starting 5 of these teams are not kids. They are, more or less, good college players who are now anywhere between 23 and 28. I just don't see, say Dontaie Allen, going into those leagues and dominating enough.. to the point that he makes it to the NBA while saying "Glad I went this route than going to Kentucky for 2 years". I just don't see that happening to sub 30 recruits.
No completely agree with you. G league is tough. Much tougher than college. But these new
Leagues like college kids basically following aau model can really work. THe ncaa will inevitably have to change
That post wasn't entirely in response to yours, kinda went off-topic.
I just don't know if they are a more viable route than college, when it pertains to say, the 35th recruit. This is when I think College stats to win out. Still be a "kid", lots of great resources, good coaching/staff/facilities, education.
Totally anecdotal.. but if my kid had the option to go to an elite basketball colelge, or go play for the Maine, Lobsters.. I'd steer him towards college.
I just don't know if they are a more viable route than college, when it pertains to say, the 35th recruit. This is when I think College stats to win out. Still be a "kid", lots of great resources, good coaching/staff/facilities, education.
Totally anecdotal.. but if my kid had the option to go to an elite basketball colelge, or go play for the Maine, Lobsters.. I'd steer him towards college.
It’s a fine line. How bad do you need the money. How academically sound are you. If you hate your coach and don’t want to sit you can earn money in the USA without going overseas. I’m not saying colleges can’t provide better conditions for kids and development presently... but Rome wasn’t built in a day. These new leagues get capable coaches are sponsored and provide education scholarships who’s to say this won’t be a better model. I hate the ncaa from their rules to how they play favorites to their pretend non profit to pretending it’s about education when clearly the unc example thows that notion out the window. Hey maybe self Archie miller pitino could be looking for work soon. They could pioneer this new league. Adidas Nike ua will throw money into the league. I mean they throw 100k to bill Preston or Bowen. Millions to the bagleys for a high school aau. Get agents to steer their players to this league. I’m telling you it would take off.
It sounded like it was a very basic scholarship. I didn't catch it all, but I think it was to a school located where the teams play. It didn't sound very good.
The summer of 2020 is 3 months away. Why haven't I heard anything about this leagues startup? Have you heard anything @Baller Cal ?
Maybe that's how it should be. NCAA sports are amateur leagues. If a kids wants to get paid, maybe they should play in a professional league of some kind.
Yup, no one forces kids to go the NCAA route, they choose to go the NCAA route because it's their best option and very beneficial. I'm all for other leagues for kids who dont belong in the NCAA and to have as many options as possible. There's is nothing stoping these kids from going directly to the G League, getting paid, and earning money from their likeness image and name. They still choose college.
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Another dumb post because you're too stupid o comment on the actual topic of the thread eh?
This dude has 20,000+ posts in 3 years. Boring day sitting at home indeed.
I think ESPN has already given up on NCAA basketball. Have you seen their broadcasts? A few more levels of gimmickry and we'll just have a reality TV show.
It makes a huge difference if you get hurt during that one year and never really pan out.
Just to chime in on the popularity of college basketball:
NCAA has something unique that no other sport has: March Madness.
Last year, 18 million people bet $8.5 billion on March Madness. Nothing compares to that.
There are diehard idiots like us that follow this every day all year long. We’re the minority.
But the casual fan factor of college basketball during March Madness is incomparable to any sport. Productivity in the entire country declines during March Madness. No matter how much the product may have declined over the years.
I hope the best effect of these startup leagues is that they push the NCAA to enact change to put a better product on the floor. But even if they don’t college basketball is a long way from dying off.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...mates-8-5-billion-bet-on-ncaa-tournament/amp/
NCAA has something unique that no other sport has: March Madness.
Last year, 18 million people bet $8.5 billion on March Madness. Nothing compares to that.
There are diehard idiots like us that follow this every day all year long. We’re the minority.
But the casual fan factor of college basketball during March Madness is incomparable to any sport. Productivity in the entire country declines during March Madness. No matter how much the product may have declined over the years.
I hope the best effect of these startup leagues is that they push the NCAA to enact change to put a better product on the floor. But even if they don’t college basketball is a long way from dying off.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...mates-8-5-billion-bet-on-ncaa-tournament/amp/
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