Dan Dakich releases new top 5 PGs
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For starters, the quote that started off the twitter component of this uproar was the "no UK fan truly believes" thing - you can find it absolutely anywhere.
Yogi Ferrell - 17.1 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 2.7 TOPG, .479 FG%, .447 3PFG%, .811 FT%, 33.5 MPG
Tyler Ulis - 15.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.9 TOPG, .411 FG%, .305 3PFG%, .884 FT%, 36.2 MPG
I love Tyler Ulis. He's NOT having a better season than Ferrell. He's just not.
Tyler Ulis - 15.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.9 TOPG, .411 FG%, .305 3PFG%, .884 FT%, 36.2 MPG
I love Tyler Ulis. He's NOT having a better season than Ferrell. He's just not.
I think PG is just that good. Look at the numbers for Dunn, Morris, Trimble and Ferrell. All are better than Ulis.
Kal Felder leads the nation in assists and is 3rd in the nation in scoring. Obviously his competition level isn't nearly as high as the others, but he deserves a mention.
Kal Felder leads the nation in assists and is 3rd in the nation in scoring. Obviously his competition level isn't nearly as high as the others, but he deserves a mention.
Exactly. Sorry, folks, but Yogi's numbers are clearly better than Tyler's, and across the board in almost every category. Plus he's really stepped it up after that team lost Blackmon and has led them to very surprising undefeated start in the Big 10 without Blackmon.
How can anyone say that guy doesn't deserve to be on the list? Some folks might want to consider how their own biases are influencing their opinion here. I love Ulis, but I can't say he's belongs in the top 5.
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Is Dakich the same one who is also known as Son of a Whitch written with a capital B?
That's fine but Dakich could have stopped there, but he didn't. To say Tyler isn't even top 15 is ludicrous.
I guess some of these rankings are based on what PG's will be good at the next level, or how they will be drafted, but as far as college PG's go, there is not another one in the country that I would trade, for Ulis.
Dickitch is an idiot. There is more to Ulis besides his offensive numbers. His defense is outstanding, is leadership for a young team, his ball handling. You can't press UK with him on the floor. And also, for his size he rebounds pretty well. He's tough as nails. I wouldn't trade him for another point guard in the nation.
He posted on twitter a week or so ago saying ulis is top 25. I'd go find the tweet but I don't really wanna look through all the nonsense that he tweets out to find it. But he did tweet that out as a buddy of mine retweeted it when Dakich tweeted it, that's how I saw it. It said something like "congrats to top 25 PG ulis on a good win" or some such.
Again, I wouldn't take Ferrell over Ulis.
However, if we ranked players simply on talent, skill, etc...then stats would be irrelevant.
However, if we ranked players simply on talent, skill, etc...then stats would be irrelevant.
I think a guy named Yogi should be on the list....in fact my list is all Yogi's.
1) Yogi Ferrell
2) Yogi Bear
3) The Late Yogi Berra
4) Yogi Tea
1) Yogi Ferrell
2) Yogi Bear
3) The Late Yogi Berra
4) Yogi Tea
Ferrell with 1 assist. Dakich knew he was going to get trolled, so yogi hits a shot and he says he's the best pg in america...what a joke
Dude, he scored 30 points, got 3 steals and 7 rebounds tonight ..funny how you left that part out.
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Great stats "Dude" if you're a shooting guard but we are talking about Point Guards "Dude".
Point guards should accumulate more than 1 assist don't you think "Dude"?
Now, can we talk like adults?
I talked highly of Yogi back in November. I thought highly of him last year. I never understood why he wasn't mentioned as one of the best pg's and I stand by that but I happen to think DD us wrong. I think YF is outside the top 5 and I think Ulis (not Ullis) is easily top 5. But that's just my opinion.
Dude.
It would be easier to talk to you like an adult if you did not reason like a child. Appears to me your whole argument is essentially just based on blue blinder bias. So now you say the issue is assists? Well, guess what--Ferrell also had a better assist average than Tyler going into tonight's game, and he just broke IU's all time assist record, so obviously assists aren't an issue with him. Just because he had ONE game without many assists (a game in which he scored 30 pts and got 7 rebounds, btw) doesn't change that fact.
And in addition, he also has a better scoring average, much better shooting percentages, more rebounds and more steals than Tyler this year. In addition, he's led his team to a (slightly) better record despite it suffering a MAJOR injury setback and having what I believe most would call an inferior supporting cast.
The actual facts simply do not support an argument than Tyler has been better than Ferrell this year. I WISH I could say that, but I can't because I'm looking at the facts and not just letting my biases determine my opinion.
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Ulis had a slow start, but he's gaining steam in conference play. Through the first 7 conference games, Ulis has been extremely efficient:
134.1 Offensive rating
59.9 TS%
7.1 assists/40
2.1 TOV/40
If he keeps that up, it'll be very difficult to leave him off any ranking of top PG's.
134.1 Offensive rating
59.9 TS%
7.1 assists/40
2.1 TOV/40
If he keeps that up, it'll be very difficult to leave him off any ranking of top PG's.
Ok look at it this way, let stats dictate your argument if you like but you have to take one PG to run your team. Would you rather have Ulis or Ferrell? I'll take Ulis every time.
All the guys who are so steadfast about Ferrell being better than Ulis... might want to consider the fact that Ferrell is a saloon door on defense while Ulis is one of the best on-ball defenders in the country.
So I reason like a child but you're referring to me as "Dude"?
Look, all I did was state the Yogi only had 1 assist last night. That's all, nothing less, nothing more.
I think Yogi is an outstanding pg but I just think Ulis is better at running his team, better on ball defender, better at handling pressure and better at setting up his players. Yogi is definitely the better scorer.
I'm not a blue goggles wearing fan but in my opinion I believe Ulis brings more to the table.
Dude.
I think Yogi did a good job guarding Koenig Last night but I don't think Koenig is much of a threat to go by a defender, he's more of a shooter.
But you're right, typically he isn't very good on defense and that's on the coaches because he's a really good athlete so he could be a good defender.
That's alright, I'll take my chances with an in control badass like Ulis leading us, Dakich and those that agree with him can take the hyped boys, and at the end of the season we'll see where we are ![[smoke]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/smokin.r191677.gif "Cool [smoke]")
I'm talking real ball and making the players around you better through on and off the court leadership, being the coach on the floor, not make believe fantasy sports league ball. But hey, if all this leads to Ulis being talked into coming back for an epic run next season then I'm cool with that bruh.
I'm talking real ball and making the players around you better through on and off the court leadership, being the coach on the floor, not make believe fantasy sports league ball. But hey, if all this leads to Ulis being talked into coming back for an epic run next season then I'm cool with that bruh.
I disagree, simply because of the intangibles that Tyler brings. He is helping Cal bring this team along, and there is no way we would be seeing the improvement that we are, without Ulis at PG. Ferrell is having a really good year, but I watched their game against Wichita St. and he does not play the kind of defense that Ulis does, and this, along with leadership, does not show up in stats. Give me Ulis over any other PG in America, especially for this team.
