Current Pomeroy Rankings

[Aike]

Do any of the existing models give extra weight to your performance vs. better teams?

For instance, if you played the top rated team, your results could be multiplied by 1.3. Play the 150th team and your results would not be multiplied. Play the worst team, and it only counts .7 times your results.

Might do a decent job factoring out boredom or beating up on the little guy, while giving extra points to teams who get up for big games.

 

[Xception]

It's factored in tho.

What difference does it make if the team played poorly because they couldn't shoot well one night or the team played poorly because they all got dumped by their girlfriends?

So yeah the computer (or any poll for that matter) doesn't see the WHY, they just know that something happened and the rankings are adjusted accordingly.

So the computer is infallible ? It cannot make mistakes because it factors it all in and it is accurate beyond question ? If you answer anything but yes then you contradict your own post . The computer can predict that Poythress is sporadic but it can't predict that he could get highly motivated for the tournament and be consistent for six games . So it tells us what happened but not what will happen . As for what has happened it's wrong for reasons I already listed , do you really think Duke is a better team than us ? We were highly motivated to play Duke and the computer can't see that , it only knows we lost to OSU , UCLA and LSU . So it has no touching clue that if we play high profile opponents we are better . You will never under any circumstance get me to buy what kenpom is selling , I trust what I see . Besides if kenpom was so accurate I do believe Kansas would make almost every final four , where's the pile of chips on that one .

 

[marshalfan]

You made good points but it still makes no sense to have a teams you beat ranked higher . Even if you lost other games the one true comparable is head to head matchup . I already stated I don't care about the rankings but they are wildly flawed . The computer does not compensate for motivation , it cannot tell when you are inspired to play or not . The only thing it can do is crunch numbers and give an average but there are teams close to UK who's ceiling is nowhere near capable of winning the tournament . It also doesn't factor in potential growth of a team playing elite freshman , which will be significantly more than an older team . I don't know but I wonder where kenpom had UK ranked going into the tournament for 13-14 .

So you are saying Monmouth should be ranked higher than us. By your thinking they should be higher because UCLA beat us and they beat UCLA. You simply cannot be ranked above everyone you beat all the time. Every team loses games to lesser teams that is just what happens, that is why any rankings are so tough

 

[Xception]

So you are saying Monmouth should be ranked higher than us. By your thinking they should be higher because UCLA beat us and they beat UCLA. You simply cannot be ranked above everyone you beat all the time. Every team loses games to lesser teams that is just what happens, that is why any rankings are so tough

We haven't played Monmouth , I never said if this one beget that one then that one should beget this one captain dumbass . One poster cherry picked a sentence and made everything I said to culminate into that component . You tried to then morph it I to something I never said . I laughed when you tried to champion a kenpom win when we already plowed your field , make sure to tell me how you're a UK fan .

 

[marshalfan]

Well Dumbass, if you should be ranked ahead of teams you beat , UCLA beat us so they should be ahead of us, Monmouth beat UCLA so they should be ahead of UCLA, hence Monmouth should be ahead of us using . The argument that you should be ranked above the people you beat cannot possible hold up, because everyone gets beat by lesser opponents. The UL win did not even cover the home court advantage. I wish we were undefeated but we are not and it really does not matter if we are few spots higher or lower at this point. I am not championing any ranking but in all the computer rankings we are behind UL.

 

[Xception]

Well Dumbass, if you should be ranked ahead of teams you beat , UCLA beat us so they should be ahead of us, Monmouth beat UCLA so they should be ahead of UCLA, hence Monmouth should be ahead of us using . The argument that you should be ranked above the people you beat cannot possible hold up, because everyone gets beat by lesser opponents. The UL win did not even cover the home court advantage. I wish we were undefeated but we are not and it really does not matter if we are few spots higher or lower at this point.

We didn't play Monmouth , how stupid are you ?

 

[The_Answer1313]

So are you really just basing this on a few games

Team A beats Team B
Team B beats Team C
Team C Beats Team A

All games on a neutral court by the same score. Where are u ranking these teams?

To just look at games (ie UK beating Duke) and concluding UK is better is very short sighted.

 

[The_Answer1313]

So the computer is infallible ? It cannot make mistakes because it factors it all in and it is accurate beyond question ? If you answer anything but yes then you contradict your own post . The computer can predict that Poythress is sporadic but it can't predict that he could get highly motivated for the tournament and be consistent for six games . So it tells us what happened but not what will happen . As for what has happened it's wrong for reasons I already listed , do you really think Duke is a better team than us ? We were highly motivated to play Duke and the computer can't see that , it only knows we lost to OSU , UCLA and LSU . So it has no touching clue that if we play high profile opponents we are better . You will never under any circumstance get me to buy what kenpom is selling , I trust what I see . Besides if kenpom was so accurate I do believe Kansas would make almost every final four , where's the pile of chips on that one .

No one is saying the computers are infallible. Just less bias then what your eyes are.

 

[Xception]

So are you really just basing this on a few games

Team A beats Team B
Team B beats Team C
Team C Beats Team A

All games on a neutral court by the same score. Where are u ranking these teams?

To just look at games (ie UK beating Duke) and concluding UK is better is very short sighted.

I never concocted that formula , that was created by someone else . Nobody has answered any of my questions because they can't without having gaping holes in their logic . So they have resorted to altering one sentence , I just explained this not two posts up . If you aren't going to read everything and ignore every difficult question then you shouldn't even discuss it . Not once in this thread did I say team A beat team B and C beat A so C is better than B , not once . Go find it and don't come back with me eluding to us beating an opponent that we actually played and morph that into a twisted formula that you attribute to me .

 

[Xception]

No one is saying the computers are infallible. Just less bias then what your eyes are.

Well that's rock solid proof .

 

[Xception]

Nm

 

[Xception]

No one is saying the computers are infallible. Just less bias then what your eyes are.

So you admit that they make mistakes and I'm claiming it made a mistake , so what's the problem ?

 

[the nail at the foul line]

But the thing about that is the UL game was just that.........ONE GAME. And that game was IN RUPP. We won by 2 points. Home court advantage is worth 4 points. So the system really sees it as had we played UL on a neutral court, they would have won by 2.

You have to factor home/away and also have to factor one game. You have to take the entire season into account.

Then the system is flawed. John Calipari owns Rick Pitino. Does the computer know that? If the record head to head was 5-4 or 6 to 3 maybe the computer analysis would mean something. It is 8-1, with the lone win coming when UL failed to cover their home court advantage over Cal's weakest team. The computer does not see, nor can it discern, the invisible hand that is Cal's domination of UL.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

one thing is for sure... Pomeroy rankings don't take into account hookers and stripper poles. Because if it could factor in impending sanctions...... UL would be much lower on the rankings.

 

[Bkocats]

anyone else get dizzy reading this thread?

 

[The_Answer1313]

So you admit that they make mistakes and I'm claiming it made a mistake , so what's the problem ?

Of course the system makes mistakes. Nothing is perfect.

Doesn't mean that it should be ignored.

I think the mere fact that since the system went into effect all but ONE championship team ranked outside the Top 20 in offensive and defensive efficiency. So I would say that Kenpom has some predictability.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Then the system is flawed. John Calipari owns Rick Pitino. Does the computer know that? If the record head to head was 5-4 or 6 to 3 maybe the computer analysis would mean something. It is 8-1, with the lone win coming when UL failed to cover their home court advantage over Cal's weakest team. The computer does not see, nor can it discern, the invisible hand that is Cal's domination of UL.

Why does that matter at all?
So Cal has UL's number.

 

[Xception]

Of course the system makes mistakes. Nothing is perfect.

Doesn't mean that it should be ignored.

I think the mere fact that since the system went into effect all but ONE championship team ranked outside the Top 20 in offensive and defensive efficiency. So I would say that Kenpom has some predictability.

I haven't said that anybody should ignore it except for myself , I just don't believe in it like some do . Likewise people shouldn't ignore all individual opinions in favor of a computer .

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Why does that matter at all?
So Cal has UL's number.

Head to head analysis by Pomeroy predicts a UL win. Do you believe that?

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Part 2 to the previous question as I am getting tired and therefore silly:

Cal would beat Rick playing in a box,
Cal would beat Rick if they played with rocks,
Cal would beat Rick if they played with no socks,
And Cal would beat Rick while Katina played with the Cards (edited).

 

[The_Answer1313]

Head to head analysis by Pomeroy predicts a UL win. Do you believe that?

No.

No one game should have importance over an entire season. They play up to 40 games in a given year.

 

[The_Answer1313]

I haven't said that anybody should ignore it except for myself , I just don't believe in it like some do . Likewise people shouldn't ignore all individual opinions in favor of a computer .

Not ignoring. But just like it's hard for you to buy in to the numbers, it's hard for me to buy into an argument when all someone tells me is what they happened to see.

We all watched the same games. Can you honestly say your 100% sure we are better than UL or Duke? We beat UL by 2 points. We were up big and they came back. That game goes 1 or 2 more mins and we are probably on the other end of that game.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

That game goes 1 or 2 more mins and we are probably on the other end of that game.

No. Results matter. This is completely wrong. Here are the numbers that matter, 8 and 1.

 

[Xception]

Not ignoring. But just like it's hard for you to buy in to the numbers, it's hard for me to buy into an argument when all someone tells me is what they happened to see.

We all watched the same games. Can you honestly say your 100% sure we are better than UL or Duke? We beat UL by 2 points. We were up big and they came back. That game goes 1 or 2 more mins and we are probably on the other end of that game.

You're using a probably now ? After all this about the computer being without bias and so reliable , you pull out a probably . We'll probably didn't happen and probably didn't happen with Duke either . I tell you what did happen 75-73 and 74-63 , crunch them numbers .

 

[The_Answer1313]

No. Results matter. This is completely wrong. Here are the numbers that matter, 8 and 1.

Yeah the numbers 8 and 1 matter nothing to me as far as telling me how 2016 UK is gonna do. This team didn't win those 8 games, just one of them.

All 8 and 1 tells me is that Cal has pwnd Rick while at UK. That is it.

 

[Bkocats]

Part 2 to the previous question as I am getting tired and therefore silly:

Cal would beat Rick playing in a box,
Cal would beat Rick if they played with rocks,
Cal would beat Rick if they played with no socks,
And Cal would beat Rick while Katina played with the Cards (edited).

I'm so tired and loopy this makes complete sense- and it's funny.
I need a drink

 

[Xception]

Haha I butchered one post by quoting bko , changing my mind and quoting answer . Been a long day , I'm tired too .

 

[The_Answer1313]

So if you think because we beat UL and Duke we are better than them.

Does that mean LSU, Ohio St and UCLA are better than us? Since not only did they beat us, but two of the three won rather convincingly too. After all these are teams we actually played and lost to.

You can't have it both ways. Cause looking at it through the eye test, we looked like crap all three games.

 

[Xception]

So if you think because we beat UL and Duke we are better than them.

Does that mean LSU, Ohio St and UCLA are better than us? Since not only did they beat us, but two of the three won rather convincingly too.

You can't have it both ways. Cause looking at it through the eye test, we looked like crap all three games.

You admitted the computer makes mistakes , game over .

 

[The_Answer1313]

Right. You can't answer my question.

I guess the eye test only applies to when UK wins lol.

Your eyes are bias.

I think I'll stick to the unbias computers. They don't play favorites at least.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Right. You can't answer my question.

I guess the eye test only applies to when UK wins lol.

Your eyes are bias.

I think I'll stick to the unbias computers. They don't play favorites at least.

Yeah computer programs have no biases because they were created by...........

 

[Xception]

Your eyes are bias.

My eyes are green , computers wrong again .

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Haha xception is owning you dude, know when you've been beaten.

 

[The_Answer1313]

I don't see that at all but ok.

I didn't realize this was a battle lol

 

[BigBlueFan1963]

This one is closer to what it should look like...

1 Villanova 15 2 0.6950 1 0.6319
2 Xavier 15 1 0.6860 8 0.5965
3 Kansas 13 2 0.6798 4 0.6182
4 Oklahoma 14 1 0.6767 23 0.5853
5 Oregon 13 3 0.6652 7 0.6053
6 SMU 16 0 0.6612 70 0.5483
7 North Carolina 15 2 0.6598 30 0.5763
8 Virginia 13 3 0.6573 11 0.5930
9 Iowa 13 3 0.6476 10 0.5939
10 Kentucky 13 3 0.6453 15 0.5903
11 Texas A&M 14 2 0.6451 39 0.5698
12 Michigan State 16 2 0.6438 43 0.5657
13 West Virginia 15 1 0.6386 86 0.5419
14 Duke 14 3 0.6382 26 0.5822
15 Dayton 13 3 0.6373 12 0.5922
16 Southern California 15 3 0.6348 34 0.5732
17 Maryland 15 2 0.6320 92 0.5400
18 Miami (Fla.) 13 2 0.6296 50 0.5591
19 Providence 15 2 0.6254 60 0.5525
20 Texas Tech 11 4 0.6247 6 0.6086
21 Pittsburgh 13 2 0.6242 56 0.5574
22 Louisville 14 3 0.6226 67 0.5494
23 Valparaiso 12 3 0.6222 94 0.5397
24 Iowa State 12 4 0.6184 24 0.5850
25 Arizona 14 3 0.6169 76 0.5456
26 Monmouth 12 4 0.6156 80 0.5444
27 Florida 10 6 0.6138 5 0.6141
28 South Carolina

 

[Double Oaked Juice]

This one is closer to what it should look like...

1 Villanova 15 2 0.6950 1 0.6319
2 Xavier 15 1 0.6860 8 0.5965
3 Kansas 13 2 0.6798 4 0.6182
4 Oklahoma 14 1 0.6767 23 0.5853
5 Oregon 13 3 0.6652 7 0.6053
6 SMU 16 0 0.6612 70 0.5483
7 North Carolina 15 2 0.6598 30 0.5763
8 Virginia 13 3 0.6573 11 0.5930
9 Iowa 13 3 0.6476 10 0.5939
10 Kentucky 13 3 0.6453 15 0.5903
11 Texas A&M 14 2 0.6451 39 0.5698
12 Michigan State 16 2 0.6438 43 0.5657
13 West Virginia 15 1 0.6386 86 0.5419
14 Duke 14 3 0.6382 26 0.5822
15 Dayton 13 3 0.6373 12 0.5922
16 Southern California 15 3 0.6348 34 0.5732
17 Maryland 15 2 0.6320 92 0.5400
18 Miami (Fla.) 13 2 0.6296 50 0.5591
19 Providence 15 2 0.6254 60 0.5525
20 Texas Tech 11 4 0.6247 6 0.6086
21 Pittsburgh 13 2 0.6242 56 0.5574
22 Louisville 14 3 0.6226 67 0.5494
23 Valparaiso 12 3 0.6222 94 0.5397
24 Iowa State 12 4 0.6184 24 0.5850
25 Arizona 14 3 0.6169 76 0.5456
26 Monmouth 12 4 0.6156 80 0.5444
27 Florida 10 6 0.6138 5 0.6141
28 South Carolina

didn't oklahoma just destroy villanova on a neutral court? i just can't take jay wright's teams seriously. he's right up there with bill self when it comes to being a paper tiger.

 

[docholiday51]

anyone else get dizzy reading this thread?

I'm waiting around for a computer to tell us:
A. How many minutes Willis should play
B. When Skal is going to up his game
C. If Alex is going to show up ready to play
D. If Wynyard is going to get in a game

If we had these programs back in the day we would have known" if Richie was going to play" and we wouldn't have had to ask Rick before every game.

 

[Bkocats]

I'm waiting around for a computer to tell us:
A. How many minutes Willis should play
B. When Skal is going to up his game
C. If Alex is going to show up ready to play
D. If Wynyard is going to get in a game

If we had these programs back in the day we would have known" if Richie was going to play" and we wouldn't have had to ask Rick before every game.

you forgot - would it also tell us when Hawk would be back, and if our players healed faster or slower than players on other teams

 

[docholiday51]

you forgot - would it also tell us when Hawk would be back, and if our players healed faster or slower than players on other teams

As to Hawk, since Obamacare computers can't release healthcare info

 

[Bkocats]

As to Hawk, since Obamacare computers can't release healthcare info