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I've had familiy in LE for years. I've done citizen's academies for that reason, and two, they're kinda fun. I've done the K9 challenge with both the new pups and the veteran dogs that will take your arm off (bite sleeve of course). I didn't do the taser mainly due to heart issues in my family. I've fired weapons, done the shoot or no shoot trainings. It's all informative, interesting, and fun.

All that being said, cops have my respect. However, from family being in LE at one time or another, I know second hand there are very shitty cops. I have sadly dealt first hand with a shitty cop. I did comply and got out with a warning. Yet, I didn't feel any less like a major criminal over a very minor moving violation and I did have to also wonder if my skin color did play a factor. Some people just shouldn't be LEOs, period. And if you need proof of that, look at that horrible beating of a handcuffed man in a NY jail.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ooks-fatal-beating-prison-probed/77350183007/

I'm a supporter of LEOs. However, I support the Constitution and law above ANY human. No man in this country is above the law, period. Badge or not. And in fact, in my book, LEOs should be MORE upstanding than the average citizen, not less. I believe in increased penalties for cops that knowingly break the law. They are supposed to be moral and upstanding. Part of the problem with our issues with police these days are the "us vs them" mentality. Don't get me wrong, LEOs must be vigilant and ready if the need arises. But if you start approaching every person as an absolute threat/criminal, guess what happens? You start becoming extremely paranoid and fearful and you see every person as a threat to your life. 1) That's not a very effective way to be a LEO and 2) that's not a very good way to live. Officers used to be seen, for the most part, as protectors and public servants. Now we see a lot of them as overhanded government enforcers. Part of that is due to increased crime and the need for police to be properly armed. But the other part is just the way laws are being enforced. You see too much ticky-tack enforcement on things while people arrested for their fourth DUIs go home or government officials caught breaking the law get specil treatment. People don't feel like there equality under the law. And that extends down to the perception of LEOs, whether they are good or crap.

Bottom line, some people have NO business being officers. Whether due to personality, mental issues, health, or just plain incompetence.

Support the good ones. Throw the book at the bad ones. Put real criminals behind bars and keep them there.
Policing will improve. Community relations with police will improve. Our society will improve. But only if we are all truly equal under the law.
While I agree with you, generally speaking, people don't want to be cops. How do we entice enough of the right people to the jobs? From my experience as a former military policeman, I can't see it happening. I see it as an ongoing problem as long as mankind is in charge of this earth.
 
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There are good and bad people in any job, but considering the EVER PRESENT danger that police officers are in, they will always get a LOT more leeway with me, even if they made what later turned out to be the wrong decision.
A police officer isn't even a top 20 most dangerous job in America.

But the problem with cops is they expect whoever they're interacting with to be 100% compliant and calm while they're allowed to be skittish and nervous. Who's the one that gets hours of training, cops or suspects? Couple that with police departments around the country literally getting "kill-ology" training. They're either not properly trained to or mentally capable of deescalating the situation. When you're trained to view everything as a nail all you want to do is hammer.

Everyone is always willing to give a cop the benefit of the doubt until they're the one on the receiving end of misconduct. And it can happen to any of us.
 
While I agree with you, generally speaking, people don't want to be cops. How do we entice enough of the right people to the jobs? From my experience as a former military policeman, I can't see it happening. I see it as an ongoing problem as long as mankind is in charge of this earth.
Good pay (not the bullshit OT milking you see from cops who are just about to retire so their pensions are higher), adequate resources, proper mental health support, and a slight reimagining of what a cop actually does. I know a lot of people here scoff at some of the police reform proposals around the George Floyd protests, but the current job description of a cop is probably way too big. Right now they're deployed to handle situations they're not trained or capable of handling.

To attract good cops we need to actually support cops. Supporting them isn't putting a Blue Lives Matter sticker on your truck. It's actually giving them the resources they need to do their job and making their job easier.
 
Good pay (not the bullshit OT milking you see from cops who are just about to retire so their pensions are higher), adequate resources, proper mental health support, and a slight reimagining of what a cop actually does. I know a lot of people here scoff at some of the police reform proposals around the George Floyd protests, but the current job description of a cop is probably way too big. Right now they're deployed to handle situations they're not trained or capable of handling.

To attract good cops we need to actually support cops. Supporting them isn't putting a Blue Lives Matter sticker on your truck. It's actually giving them the resources they need to do their job and making their job easier.
We should do everything we can to get the best, but as long as human kind is in charge, there will be a problem with it. I have posted before about the gov coming to one base I was at and offering immediate honorable discharges to any MP who would take a cop job at numerous cities. Not one cop accepted and this was with the chance you would be sent to Viet Nam.
 
Why in the hell are cops going to homes in the middle of the night and waking innocent people? I once had cops beating on my door before 6:00 a.m. and I opened the door because I wanted to know who was beating on my door. The cop took one look at me and gave a name and I said I have no idea, that's not me. The cop looked at me and said the address matches and I asked what is the address and he said 1040 and I said this is 1028. It was right there in front of him. At least hire cops smart enough to read a damn number.

This shooting in London is totally uncalled for and needs to be national news.
 
There are numerous videos of police showing up at the wrong place or getting the wrong person and yet they are arrested, beaten or terminated anyway.

Top flight police work here.

Some of the details in the story are off a little but yahoo has a good version of story. Neighbors camera caught it. Police are outside banging on door, they breakthrough and kill him because he had a gun pointed at them. He probably had a gun pointed at them because he had no idea who was banging on his door at midnight.

The warrant was being served over a stolen weed eater. The warrant was served at 11:54 pm. This is just like the Louisville case. There won't be the same national outrage though.

A warrant over a piece of property less than a 1000 bucks. So, basically they were beating on the wrong door over a misdemeanor. At 2354 hours no less. I'd understand if it was a felony or a raid for drugs/weapons. But over a damn weed eater? What in the actual eff?
 
Let's hope you don't need one when your life counts on it
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The warrant was being served over a stolen weed eater. The warrant was served at 11:54 pm. This is just like the Louisville case. There won't be the same national outrage though.
Eh. I would argue it already has gotten more attention in some ways. I certainly dont remember there were any threads started two days after Taylor was murdered. There wasn't any national attention for 3 months until the state AG decided the cops did everything perfect.

There won't be any protests for Harless because there won't need to be any. This is a white person that got shot. They'll get justice lickety split.
 
Wow I just saw the neighbors' porch video of the police murder in London. They were gathered around his house at midnight like he was Pablo Escobar. Except it was over a $25 weed eater. And oops, the wrong house too! They probably planted a gun by his hand when they realized they f'ed up.
 
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Eh. I would argue it already has gotten more attention in some ways. I certainly dont remember there were any threads started two days after Taylor was murdered. There wasn't any national attention for 3 months until the state AG decided the cops did everything perfect.

There won't be any protests for Harless because there won't need to be any. This is a white person that got shot. They'll get justice lickety split.
You aren't serious are you? It's not even close.
 
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Wow I just saw the neighbors' porch video of the police murder in London. They were gathered around his house at midnight like he was Pablo Escobar. Except it was over a $25 weed eater. And oops, the wrong house too! They probably planted a gun by his hand when they realized they f'ed up.
He probably thought...

I have done nothing wrong.

Why are people beating on my door at midnight dressed as cops because cops wouldn't come to my house at midnight?

Grabbed his gun.

They were breaking through his door and saw him with his gun and killed him.

Don't worry though, the state police will find this as a justified shooting.
 
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Put me on the jury of every cop there.

The cops were trying to brown nose for the county judge executive.

They apparently had the man who stole the weed eater already in custody

Everybody in this should be fired, including whoever the police chief is. And the policeman that did the execution should be in prison.
 
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I agree there are some shitty cops out there. Reading this thread should convince anyone. I believe most are in it for the right reason.
Yeah, but now we have cameras telling the police that cars are stolen that are not stolen.

All of that isn't on the police as the rental companies are to blame initially. However, pulling someone out of car and handcuffing them for an error in the system is a tyrant move.
 
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