conference stength

[caneintally]

i have seen a few nonsensical threads the past few days bashing this team (LSU ) or that team ( Arkansas) or just the conference as a whole and i just have to assume it is because people don't actually know what is going on THIS season . So i thought i would look at the RPI ( the most trusted source of rating teams ) and see how each conference stacks up. I will look at the top 50 as usually if you are good team who will be a top 50 team and a really good team is a top 30 IMO .


the SEC has 3 top 30 teams( UK ,UGA and Arkansas ) . and 4 more in the top 50 ( UF and UT just outside that ) for a total of 7 top 50 teams

the Pac 10 has 3 in the top 30 none after that in the top 50 . for a total of 3 top 50 teams

the Big East , which has really come up this year has 5 in the top 30 2 more in the top 50 for a total of 7

the Big 10 has 2 in the top 30 and 3 more in the top 50 . for a total of 5 top 50 teams

the Big 12 has 6 in the top 30 and one more in the top 50. for atotal of 7

The ACC who is the best conference in cbb has 4 top 30 teams 4 more in the top 50 . SO they one more then us and also have 3 in the top 10 which no one else does .

this is just one measurement by which the the leagues rank like this 1.ACC 2. Big 12 3.SEC 4.Big East 5. Big 10 and 6. Pac 12 . hard enough.
Just something to think about before you bash that which you do not understand . Are we the best? No are we better then most yes.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

The RPI had KU ranked ahead of UK...so yeah, why is that most accurate?

The SEC is pretty even from teams 2-13 (MSU sucks), and will continue to beat up itself as the season progresses. It's a whole lot of mediocre, look for UK to win the conference by 5 games minimal this year, and probably more.

 

[caneintally]

it did for like 3 days or so and do they anymore? No .The committee and everyone with sense knows the RPI and to some extent the BPI are the best ways to judge teams in a bunch . Lord know it is not the AP poll or coaches poll . And stuff like Ken Pom and the like i dislike but they do have the SEC as the 3rd best so use whatever way you like the answer will remain the same . The ACC is the best conference with the Big 12 right behind and maybe better top to bottom . the SEC is 3rd and the Big East and really coming up .

 

[caneintally]

UK , and to a lesser degree UGA , LSU and Arkansas are the cream of the confernce crop , the other 6 good teams in the league will beat each other up but that makes it anything but mediocore . Mediocore leagues get 3 bids , like the SEC was last year . The SEC is very good , not great at the top and is good in the middle as even teams like UT could take anyone out and then the league is just dreadful in the bottom four. But as i said the truth is in the numbers so whether you like the BPI , RPI , Saragin ect they all say the same thing .

 

[Vandalayindustries]

You lost me by calling the RPI the most trusted source of rating teams

 

[caneintally]

Originally posted by Vandalayindustries:
You lost me by calling the RPI the most trusted source of rating teams

if you had read the other things i said i also said you use which ever one you want , BPI , Saragin , Ken pom ect and they all say the same thing but if you honestly don't think RPI isn't AT worst , ONE OF the best rating methods then i suspect nothing will be good enough for you . IMO the BPI is the best but RPI is fine , as is Saragin . Ken Pom is a lttle less so but obviously better then say an AP or coaches poll as those are just popularity contests.

 

[SaguaroCat]

Ok, I'll do it with sagarin.

Sec has 1 team in the Top 30, 5 in the Top 50.
Big 10 has 5 teams in the TOP 30, 8 in the Top 50.
Big East has 4 teams in the TOP 30, 7 in the Top 50.

There are six big conferences. We are the fifth best out of those six. Which is not good.better than last year when the aac or mountain west was superior too, but you'll understand why that's no reason to throw a parade.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Let's look at Kenpom in order of ranking

B12 has 8 of 10 teams in the Top 50
Big East has 6 of 10 teams in the Top 50
ACC has 7 of 15
SEC has 7 of 14 and is actually rated the 4th best conference
Big Ten has 6 of 14
Pac 12 has just 3 of 12

So in actuality we are really middle of the pack. Of course you have to look at the non top 50 as well.

This post was edited on 1/18 6:23 PM by The_Answer1313

This post was edited on 1/18 10:11 PM by The_Answer1313

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

SEC only has 14 teams, right?

 

[SaguaroCat]

Originally posted by SaguaroCat:
Ok, I'll do it with sagarin.

Sec has 1 team in the Top 30, 5 in the Top 50.
Big 10 has 5 teams in the TOP 30, 8 in the Top 50.
Big East has 4 teams in the TOP 30, 7 in the Top 50.

There are six big conferences. We are the fifth best out of those six. Which is not good.better than last year when the aac or mountain west was superior too, but you'll understand why that's no reason to throw a parade.

And just to show its not just a Sagarin thing, here's the BPI breakdown.

Sec has 3 in the Top 30, 6 in the Top 50.
Big 10 has 4 in the Top 30, 7 in the Top 50. (3 in the Top 20).
Big East has 5 in the Top 30, 7 in the Top 50.

Yeah, if you squint real hard at the scalpel cut inaccurate rankings that said Kansas was the best team in the country last week, the sec almost looks good. But every thing objective shows its a football league that doesn't care. Skating by on its big conference power to get some teams to a bubble/ NIT level and nothing more.

 

[kats23]

How good is the SEC conference? This question starts out and the answer seems like it's a bell curve as the season goes on here. the conversations usually start like this:

Sept-Nov- The SEC is going to be it's usual awful conference. We have UK and maybe 1 or 2 other teams but overall it's awful

Nov-Dec- Wow the SEC is a joke. So many bad losses in the OOC schedule. UK will have a test here or there but pretty bad

Dec-mid Feb- The SEC isn't as bad as others make it out. If you take all these stats, it's just as good as almost any other conference. I don't get the hate.

mid Feb-March The SEC should get 5 teams in. The Committee is in love with the ACC and the SEC is getting screwed over by the media thanks to it's love in football/whatever other conspiracies we can make up.

March-Post Tourney- The SEC didn't have a good showing except for UK.



The majority of the SEC does not care about basketball. It's a cold hard truth. They don't put the resources in because it doesn't make the money football does or even other major sports. The good news is, it doesn't seem to hurt UK in the least bit. The conference has never been what I would call a world beater conference and UK has won in March in spite of the conference being so bad. This year's squad is experienced and played a good OOC schedule so I'm not concerned about a bad conference schedule. Nothing UK can do about that, so to me, there is no sense in dissecting every little stat on the planet to try to put lipstick on a pig. It is what it is. Teams will give UK all they want when they play UK because it's UK so they'll get enough tests along the way.

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by kats23:
How good is the SEC conference? This question starts out and the answer seems like it's a bell curve as the season goes on here. the conversations usually start like this:

Sept-Nov- The SEC is going to be it's usual awful conference. We have UK and maybe 1 or 2 other teams but overall it's awful

Nov-Dec- Wow the SEC is a joke. So many bad losses in the OOC schedule. UK will have a test here or there but pretty bad

Dec-mid Feb- The SEC isn't as bad as others make it out. If you take all these stats, it's just as good as almost any other conference. I don't get the hate.

mid Feb-March The SEC should get 5 teams in. The Committee is in love with the ACC and the SEC is getting screwed over by the media thanks to it's love in football/whatever other conspiracies we can make up.

March-Post Tourney- The SEC didn't have a good showing except for UK.



The majority of the SEC does not care about basketball. It's a cold hard truth. They don't put the resources in because it doesn't make the money football does or even other major sports. The good news is, it doesn't seem to hurt UK in the least bit. The conference has never been what I would call a world beater conference and UK has won in March in spite of the conference being so bad. This year's squad is experienced and played a good OOC schedule so I'm not concerned about a bad conference schedule. Nothing UK can do about that, so to me, there is no sense in dissecting every little stat on the planet to try to put lipstick on a pig. It is what it is. Teams will give UK all they want when they play UK because it's UK so they'll get enough tests along the way.

Must you be so realistic? But laying that aside you are very close on your assessment.

 

[Mr_Bigglesworth]

The SEC has 1 team in the top 1. No other conference has any.

 

[Uk1111]

The fact that you say that only does UK do good in the tourney is what drives me friggin crazy and shows your total ignorance!!!! fl just made the EE or FF the past four years with the only other teams going to the title game and SS, and almost every year has ONE OF THE BEST % IN TOURNEY, JUST LIKE EVERY YEAR WE SIGN TWICE AS MANY TOP RECRUITS AND GET TWICE AS MANY PLAYERS DRAFTED!!!!!!!!!!!!! This has been the case almost every year the past 5 years when we were sssooo down, yet even a mid to lower team like LSU in the past has 3 pro players almost every year! Some of you'll falsely assume that since we are a football conference that we can't be good in BB, yet we are almost ALWAYS it least in the middle! Sorry to let facts get in the way of so much ignorance!!!!

 

[kats23]

Originally posted by Uk1111:
The fact that you say that only does UK do good in the tourney is what drives me friggin crazy and shows your total ignorance!!!! fl just made the EE or FF the past four years with the only other teams going to the title game and SS, and almost every year has ONE OF THE BEST % IN TOURNEY, JUST LIKE EVERY YEAR WE SIGN TWICE AS MANY TOP RECRUITS AND GET TWICE AS MANY PLAYERS DRAFTED!!!!!!!!!!!!! This has been the case almost every year the past 5 years when we were sssooo down, yet even a mid to lower team like LSU in the past has 3 pro players almost every year! Some of you'll falsely assume that since we are a football conference that we can't be good in BB, yet we are almost ALWAYS it least in the middle! Sorry to let facts get in the way of so much ignorance!!!!

Easy now. I was being a little facetious and very broad in my assessment of what the SEC is. If you want me to be completely serious, I'm well aware of Florida's accomplishments. But was the SEC really a good conference last year because UK and Florida made the Final Four? That's what Ohio St fans this year claimed with the B1G because they won the title. The conference as a whole is awful. Tourney % mean absolutely nothing when the SEC is at the bottom of the power 5 at getting teams in and like you said, Florida has gone to the Elite 8 or better the past 4 years and UK has accomplished the same feat outside of 1 season. So those numbers are going to be inflated.

I'm not even really sure where you're going with the amount of players drafted. Again, UK is the largest contributor to this so the numbers are inflated. The SEC is no different when it comes to other conferences. You have the top 1-3, middle of the pack, and bottom feeders. It's just the middle of the pack and the bottom feeders are historically worse than the other conferences. For some ungodly reason, you have people who want to argue the SEC is just as good as any other Power 5 but why. The conference strength has never affected UK in the tourney so I don't get the whole conference pride thing.

UK plays in a historically weak conference that every year a handful of people want to try to argue against that and the argument is like clockwork every year and usually goes the same way in the end.