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Colorado Joining the Big 12

They have to. Our president just wiped out all student loan det .That's alot of lost money for university's. Who eats that? I really don't know.
Not true and not applicable to this conversation. Before we feel sorry for the Pac 12 and big-time college football, understand that Stanford alone has a $38 billion dollar endowment. I can certainly understand the jealousy of a Colorado president and board. Just not sure moving to the Big 12 will satisfy that $36 billion endowment gap. They can always use politics to hide their greed though.
 
It is China Joe Biden's intention for US taxpayers to eat the full expense for his plans to cancel student loan debt. This is another leftist political ploy for redistribution of wealth. China Joe wants to buy votes. US voters who pay taxes are statistically less likely to vote Democrat than voters who are in debt and paying little or no tax.

I grew up poor in Lexington and borrowed a whole lot of money to get my college degree and attend grad school. Now I hold several degrees and pay my taxes. I paid back all of my student loans on time. I'll be damned if I have any intention to pay for the educations of future doctors, lawyers, and politicians.
From the guy that always gets mad when someone hijacks recruiting threads. LOL
 
From the guy that always gets mad when someone hijacks recruiting threads. LOL
And you? This thread is about corporate money for student athletes, not recruiting. I directly responded to the poster who asked who is supposed to pay for student debt forgiveness. If you are in favor of student debt forgiveness, then of course you would come up with this lame excuse for a cheap shot. If you are not, then this is just bad will. BTW, I don't "get mad". I just try to avoid discussing Bear Bryant and Blanton Collier on our 2024 recruiting thread so posters interested in 2024 recruiting won't be sidetracked. Try a little harder to get it, because this is not nearly as complicated or as contentious as you are trying to make it.
 
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And you? This thread is about corporate money for student athletes, not recruiting. I directly responded to the poster who asked who is supposed to pay for student debt forgiveness. If you are in favor of student debt forgiveness, then of course you would come up with this lame excuse for a cheap shot. If you are not, then this is just bad will. BTW, I don't "get mad". I just try to avoid discussing Bear Bryant and Blanton Collier on our 2024 recruiting thread so posters interested in 2024 recruiting won't be sidetracked. Try a little harder to get it, because this is not nearly as complicated or as contentious as you are trying to make it.
I’m actually not in favor of it. I just thought it was hilarious that the poster who is constantly complaining about people getting off topic then takes a thread completely off topic by making things political.

This thread is actually about “Colorado Joining the Big 12” and not about corporate money for student athletes; it’s there in the title.
You could have easily just answered his question without the political commentary.

You are also constantly policing other posters about sidetracking the recruiting threads. Grumpy whenever he talks about Georgia, or anyone else who diverges just like you did here.
 
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Maybe the only realignment I'm ok with. Colorado probably should be in Big 12. I just don't like the domino effect it'll likely cause. Hope the PAC12 adds SDSU maybe UNLV and stays relevant.
 
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And Staples show yesterday had the best solution for the 2 conferences struggling right now...Pac 12 & ACC merger.
 
And Staples show yesterday had the best solution for the 2 conferences struggling right now...Pac 12 & ACC merger.
Impractical. Way too many cross country games to be played. Only a few good teams left in PAC 12 at this point. There would be too many terrible match ups.
 
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Impractical. Way too many cross country games to be played.
LoL the Big 10, USC, UCLA last yr put a nail and finally killed the false illusion that travel for women's soccer actually matters.

Watch the news tomorrow folks....apparently big stuff might be announced. From several different locations.
 
It is China Joe Biden's intention for US taxpayers to eat the full expense for his plans to cancel student loan debt. This is another leftist political ploy for redistribution of wealth. China Joe wants to buy votes. US voters who pay taxes are statistically less likely to vote Democrat than voters who are in debt and paying little or no tax.

I grew up poor in Lexington and borrowed a whole lot of money to get my college degree and attend grad school. Now I hold several degrees and pay my taxes. I paid back all of my student loans on time. I'll be damned if I have any intention to pay for the educations of future doctors, lawyers, and politicianinteresting.

I worked full time the entire time I was in college. Paid my way through and graduated with less than 1k in student loans. No extras, lived in dorm, meal ticket, used books. Like youit bothers me that all this debt is just going to disappear.
 
I like the ACC merger idea. It's the only solution for both conferences.

The PACC...Pacific atlantic coast conference.

4 big conferences have been a long time coming and the play off model expedited the process. It's just logical. 5 is a weird number for sports and how things organize.

With the exception of Texas and Oklahoma, it's hard for most programs west of the Mississippi to get the exposure to the sports, specifically football markets...but even they decided to slide over...Cornhuskers now seem like visionary pioneers.

Same goes for East Coast teams. See Rutgers and Maryland. Now the east coast has all the population, but what did they do, they slid west, and other programs are seriously considering the same thing.

I think it's probably more business than political. There's just more money to be made in sports and media when you're playing in the middle America market so to speak.

It's also not only a positive for the new programs who are sliding over, but the programs already in.

USC vs Ohio State and Michigan regularly...Texas and Oklahoma v Bama, LSU, UGA...throw FSU and Miami into one of those mixes...come on now...

Then the trickle down from that. IU playing in LA and UK playing in Austin...folks that's a game changer.

First from an exposure standpoint to different recruiting pools when playing at those places. Lot's of talented youth in LA probably never seen IU in anything who won't get a sniff from Oregon, Bruins, or Trojans but they get a little taste and want to play big10 football...

UK gets to play Longhorns in front of Texas talent whether it's at Austin or when they play here and all the kids who watch longhorn football now are seeing UK and the stadium packed with blue and white. I don't think people fully appreciate that opportunity. 3-star talent in that state is 4-5 star anywhere else except Florida.

Then economically for Lexington when Texas and Oklahoma rolls in. Folks, Sooners took over campus and the town for a Softball game about two years ago. It was nuts...softball.

Imagine what they're going to do for football.
 
I like the ACC merger idea. It's the only solution for both conferences.

The PACC...Pacific atlantic coast conference.

4 big conferences have been a long time coming and the play off model expedited the process. It's just logical. 5 is a weird number for sports and how things organize.

With the exception of Texas and Oklahoma, it's hard for most programs west of the Mississippi to get the exposure to the sports, specifically football markets...but even they decided to slide over...Cornhuskers now seem like visionary pioneers.

Same goes for East Coast teams. See Rutgers and Maryland. Now the east coast has all the population, but what did they do, they slid west, and other programs are seriously considering the same thing.

I think it's probably more business than political. There's just more money to be made in sports and media when you're playing in the middle America market so to speak.

It's also not only a positive for the new programs who are sliding over, but the programs already in.

USC vs Ohio State and Michigan regularly...Texas and Oklahoma v Bama, LSU, UGA...throw FSU and Miami into one of those mixes...come on now...

Then the trickle down from that. IU playing in LA and UK playing in Austin...folks that's a game changer.

First from an exposure standpoint to different recruiting pools when playing at those places. Lot's of talented youth in LA probably never seen IU in anything who won't get a sniff from Oregon, Bruins, or Trojans but they get a little taste and want to play big10 football...

UK gets to play Longhorns in front of Texas talent whether it's at Austin or when they play here and all the kids who watch longhorn football now are seeing UK and the stadium packed with blue and white. I don't think people fully appreciate that opportunity. 3-star talent in that state is 4-5 star anywhere else except Florida.

Then economically for Lexington when Texas and Oklahoma rolls in. Folks, Sooners took over campus and the town for a Softball game about two years ago. It was nuts...softball.

Imagine what they're going to do for football.
A merger sounds fine but you got to increase $$$ on your media contract for it to work or all your money will be eaten by travel. I think the ACC would have to jettison off some of their smaller schools too.

I just don’t know how much what’s left in those conferences raises the $$$ on any media deal. Some for sure but you would immediately have the most schools of any conference therefore shrinking the payouts on a per a school basis.
 
Big 10 can scoop up 2 or 4 at a discount. Tell the former Pac 12 schools their cut of TV money is $1 more than they would get joining the Big 12. Until next TV deal in 5 yrs. They would say "yes" instantaneously.
 
FSU had a Board meeting today and discussed leaving the ACC at the end. A couple of the trustees were pretty vocal that FSU had no choice but to leave.

Included in the linked article is the following passage (Roth is one of the trustees):

Roth said it would be “ideal” if FSU can identify and execute an exit strategy before Aug. 15 — the deadline for schools to leave the ACC for the 2024 season. If that’s not possible, he said, FSU should act within a year.
Not sure if this is just FSU saber-rattling to get the ACC to adjust the revenue distribution or if they’re serious about trying to move this quickly. Either way, Colorado has really stirred things up.

 
So it's looking like the PAC ceases to exist. Big 10 takes USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, probably Stanford and Cal. Big 12 takes Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Utah. And MWC takes Oregon St, Washington St
 
The Board of Regents for Arizona and ASU are meeting today, and athletics is on the agenda. Speculation is that it’s related to conference realignment.

I’ll guess we’ll find out shortly if that’s true.

 
The Pac 12's best TV deal they could get being Apple TV has apparently went over about as well as a fart in church.

Big 10 is only interested in Oregon and Washington. And they will offer them only getting 50% of the full TV money for 5 or 6 yrs. But that's still better than Pac 12 or Big 12 TV money.

Arizona and Arizona St are 2 schools, but basically run by 1 board. If 1 goes it practically means both go. Sounds like momentum going towards them joining Big 12.

Utah very quiet. Everyone assumes they follow Colorado & Arizonas.

Totally f'ed - Cal Berkeley, Stanford, Wash St, Oregon St. And San Diego St, who sent resignation letter to Mountain West - now there won't be a Pac 12 to invite them.

FSU is a bucket of smoke. They are locked down & no exit, and no one wants them that bad anyway.
 
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Looks like the Big 12 has approved Arizona joining.

Interesting to see if ASU and Utah are coming along with them. I would assume the Arizona Regents would be hesitant to move without ASU also moving, but who knows.

 
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Idk, I'd say FSU and Clemson are a lock for the SEC now if the presidents want them.
Maybe, but things have been awful quiet on the SEC side so I’m not sure if that’s something that will happen soon. Sankey sounded content to hold steady the other day. I guess it’s possible he wasn’t being fully transparent, but he tends to be a fairly straight shooter.

Saw this tweet earlier and found it amusing.

 
Maybe, but things have been awful quiet on the SEC side so I’m not sure if that’s something that will happen soon. Sankey sounded content to hold steady the other day. I guess it’s possible he wasn’t being fully transparent, but he tends to be a fairly straight shooter.

Saw this tweet earlier and found it amusing.


Bad idea. Secure North Carolina and Virginia market now. Big ten will obviously snap anything up.
 
^ Don't see any ACC school additions until the 2036 media rights issue is resolved. isn't dissolving the conference the only known way to do that with at least 7, maybe 8, required to do so? I can see the two VA & FL schools + C & NC state schools being in favor. Need another? Could LV be in favor if they knew B12 would take them?
 
^ Don't see any ACC school additions until the 2036 media rights issue is resolved. isn't dissolving the conference the only known way to do that with at least 7, maybe 8, required to do so? I can see the two VA & FL schools + C & NC state schools being in favor. Need another? Could LV be in favor if they knew B12 would take them?
I watched the FSU BOR meeting on Wednesday. One of the trustees said "we have a handle on the GOR and that document will not stop us from leaving the ACC." Another trustee said "It is not matter of not leaving, it is a matter of when and how." From everything I heard this or the next year will be the last year that FSU plays in the ACC. When that happens, the dominos will fall and other ACC teams will also announce they are leaving, in my opinion. Keep in mind that FSU has to notify the ACC by August 15th that they are leaving or they are locked in for this season and the next.

As far as SEC membership goes, Sankey is not going to say anything that would make it look like he broke up a conference. Once ACC members anounce they are leaving, you will start hearing about ACC members possibly joinig the SEC. ESPN already makes money on FSU and the rest of the ACC members. They are not going to want that money to head to the B1G. In my opinion the 4 best ACC programs end up in the SEC.
 
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I watched the FSU BOR meeting on Wednesday. One of the trustees said "we have a handle on the GOR and that document will not stop us from leaving the ACC." Another trustee said "It is not matter of not leaving, it is a matter of when and how." From everything I heard this or the next year will be the last year that FSU plays in the ACC. When that happens, the dominos will fall and other ACC teams will also announce they are leaving, in my opinion. Keep in mind that FSU has to notify the ACC by August 15th that they are leaving or they are locked in for this season and the next.

As far as SEC membership goes, Sankey is not going to say anything that would make it look like he broke up a conference. Once ACC members anounce they are leaving, you will start hearing about ACC members possibly joinig the SEC. ESPN already makes money on FSU and the rest of the ACC members. They are not going to want that money to head to the B1G. In my opinion the 4 best ACC programs end up in the SEC.
Maybe, but I think the counter argument to your FSU point would be that talk is cheap. Whenever other schools have left their conferences in the past, you never had these types of comments prior to the move happening. There was always lots of back channel conversations that prepped other schools’ moves, and then the move happens quickly once it becomes public.

It’s possible that FSU is just trying to scare the ACC into adjusting their revenue distribution. We’ll just have to wait and see.
 
Maybe, but I think the counter argument to your FSU point would be that talk is cheap. Whenever other schools have left their conferences in the past, you never had these types of comments prior to the move happening. There was always lots of back channel conversations that prepped other schools’ moves, and then the move happens quickly once it becomes public.

It’s possible that FSU is just trying to scare the ACC into adjusting their revenue distribution. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Yes, FSU could be bluffing to get the ACC to renegotiate unequal distribution, but I don't think so. There is nothing the ACC can do to make that happen. Imagine FSU and Clemson Getting 60 to 70 million a year and other members are only geeting 40 million. That won't fly.
 
Yes, FSU could be bluffing to get the ACC to renegotiate unequal distribution, but I don't think so. There is nothing the ACC can do to make that happen. Imagine FSU and Clemson Getting 60 to 70 million a year and other members are only geeting 40 million. That won't fly.
You may be right; I don’t know FSU’s true intentions.

However, I will say that if they are planning on leaving in the immediate term, they seem to be going about it in a stupid way. There are better ways of handling this that don’t include calling a board meeting to get some sound bites from leadership out into the press.
 
You may be right; I don’t know FSU’s true intentions.

However, I will say that if they are planning on leaving in the immediate term, they seem to be going about it in a stupid way. There are better ways of handling this that don’t include calling a board meeting to get some sound bites from leadership out into the press.
This is just my speculation on my part. What if FSU is sending a clear message to the SEC that they will soon be on the market. Once it is clear that FSU will no longer be in the ACC, back channel communications that the public will never hear about will begin.
 
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This is just my speculation on my part. What if FSU is sending a clear message to the SEC that they will soon be on the market. Once it is clear that FSU will no longer be in the ACC, back channel communications that the public will never hear about will begin.
But would you agree that there are other ways to send a clear message that are far less antagonistic? For example, the FSU president could’ve just picked up the phone and had a one on one conversation with either Sankey or one of the SEC school presidents. I think a phone call would’ve been as effective at sending a message to the SEC as FSU’s public airing of their grievances during this week’s board meeting.

FSU is free to handle this however they want, but if they try to leave now things will be contentious with the ACC. Anytime you’re dealing with a contentious situation, it’s wise to do everything you can to avoid antagonizing the other parties involved.

If they are intending to leave, I just don’t think FSU is being very wise in how they are going about it. I guess that’s my main point.
 
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