Coen/Woodward deserve tons of heat
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Coen is a decent OC and can be effective, at times, but he is nothing truly special. Few OCs ever are ...
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This is revisionist history. Our offense was very underwhelming until the LSU game. Then it clicked and we looked great.
That struggle included an offensive meltdown vs MSU that was as bad as last night, maybe worse.
Revisionist? 😂😂
So let me get this straight.
You are arguing that the offense in 2021 wasn’t that good? (The equation should be the entire product, not picking and choosing games that you want).
And you really believe our offense is worse this year, than last?
Buddy, I’ve got some ocean front property in Kansas I’d like to sell you. You interested?
Going into last night we were number one in the SEC in the red zone. I think we were last when Scang was here. Coen is great when he gets down there. I just wish we would play a little faster. It would at least be more entertaining than having to watch the play clock go down to the end every down.
It's just facts. Fan perception and difference in treatment is bizarre.
Another good example is the reverse call coming out of half that ended in a fumble. No one criticized that but they crucified scang for the south Carolina reverse call.
I didn't like either call, but I don't understand the difference in fan treatment and perspective
Coen is absolutely at his best on 3rd down and red zone. If you know his history, it makes sense. That was his role with the rams for awhile.
That said, there is 80 yards prior and you have to get to the red zone for those plays. Up till the LSU game, our offense was poor. The MSU game was a total collapse. Yet fans act like it never happened.
Plus , we were going into a bye week so he had plenty of time to recuperate from a heavy workload.
Just reading through a few posts that suggest we keep feeding Davis the rock again and again and again and again and again and.... Sure, but that's assuming the man doesn't get ground up in the SEC meat grinder. Coen is smart to deviate from pounding the rock for a few reasons.
1. Save Davis' legs. He's easily the best player we have on offense and it's not really close. He goes down and we're up a creek without a paddle. Mizzou was out for blood and they were making sure they hit Davis as hard as they could – even to the tune of a few late hits that were never called, IMO.
2. Vary the offense. Make Davis' runs more effective by getting a simple pass or two completed. This assumes receivers can hold the f-n ball. Was pretty clear that Mizzou sold out for run contain and disruption by stacking the box once Ray started gouging them.
3. Get more reps passing. This can increase confidence if passes start hitting. Who knows, maybe a receiver will start to stand out. We can't just abandon the pass game and we can't just keep feeding one player all game.
Note, I'm not excusing the piss poor offensive performance. I've not been impressed in the slightest with the progression of the receivers this year, the line regressed in the Mizzou game, and it's just been an absolute cluster all around the offense. I hate calling for people's jobs, but I think DBs, WRs, and maybe OL coaches need to be looked at hard this off-season. There's no excuse for the athletes at those positions, with the talent they have, to stagnate.
Stoops hasn't lost me, but I'm madder than a rabid raccoon sh*tting thumbtacks over that Mizzou fuster cluck. I still think it's reasonable to expect more lumps until Coen can get his guys and system really engrained, and it'll be tough having patience, but something has to give. There's too much money floating around for last Saturday to be acceptable.
1. Save Davis' legs. He's easily the best player we have on offense and it's not really close. He goes down and we're up a creek without a paddle. Mizzou was out for blood and they were making sure they hit Davis as hard as they could – even to the tune of a few late hits that were never called, IMO.
2. Vary the offense. Make Davis' runs more effective by getting a simple pass or two completed. This assumes receivers can hold the f-n ball. Was pretty clear that Mizzou sold out for run contain and disruption by stacking the box once Ray started gouging them.
3. Get more reps passing. This can increase confidence if passes start hitting. Who knows, maybe a receiver will start to stand out. We can't just abandon the pass game and we can't just keep feeding one player all game.
Note, I'm not excusing the piss poor offensive performance. I've not been impressed in the slightest with the progression of the receivers this year, the line regressed in the Mizzou game, and it's just been an absolute cluster all around the offense. I hate calling for people's jobs, but I think DBs, WRs, and maybe OL coaches need to be looked at hard this off-season. There's no excuse for the athletes at those positions, with the talent they have, to stagnate.
Stoops hasn't lost me, but I'm madder than a rabid raccoon sh*tting thumbtacks over that Mizzou fuster cluck. I still think it's reasonable to expect more lumps until Coen can get his guys and system really engrained, and it'll be tough having patience, but something has to give. There's too much money floating around for last Saturday to be acceptable.
Stoops did say he thought that Leary would benefit with a faster paced offense. He does acknowledge the problems, for example, the penalties and drops. But his responses throughout the year is not what they can do to fix it, just 'your right, need to do better.' But some things do not get fixed. A couple of coaches either have little influence on demanding better fundamental play or the players are allowed to blow off their criticism.
If it was one or two things to work on it would be easier to take. But when there are several issues it makes us, as fans, question the commitment of the coaches making the players as good as they can be. And with Stoops, like I said before, his sideline fire is nothing like it has been seasons earlier. And it makes me wonder if he has let up on his assistants any?
If it was one or two things to work on it would be easier to take. But when there are several issues it makes us, as fans, question the commitment of the coaches making the players as good as they can be. And with Stoops, like I said before, his sideline fire is nothing like it has been seasons earlier. And it makes me wonder if he has let up on his assistants any?
No, IMO. Probably just realizes that big changes need to be made that can't be done in-season (i.e., coaches), but it's hard to speculate on what CMS is thinking because he holds stuff close to the vest. Dude absolutely chewed out the ref that blew the scoop and score against Ball State. He also celebrated big with his guys after Florida, so I believe the fire is still there.
Honestly, he might've delegated the ass chewings to his assistants. Stoops looked like he was a blown call from rupturing an aneurysm or throwing a clot for years. Maybe a doc told him to chill the f- out. I've seen Yenser and Marrow get in their guys' faces on the sidelines. Just a lot of unknowns.
I understand what you’re saying about Davis being pounded . We can always give some Carries to some of our other backs . But when it comes winning time , we need to ride Davis. We were ahead 21-20 going into the fourth quarter. That should have been Davis time .
Coen looked pretty rough from one of the post game interviews I saw. Hope he is still taking care of himself.
RE Receiver drops, I recall when Mumme was here they had a tennis ball machine and they had receivers catch hundreds, maybe thousands of balls to sharpen up their focus and catching skills. That seemed to be a good tactic that worked well as the receivers back then rarely had a drop. I've often wondered if we use that today? It would seem to be very useful for some of the receivers.
Fair enough, and I agree, but was there an extenuating factor(s)? I can't just look at that score and decide what to do in a vacuum.
Mizzou had sold out on the run by the third, and Davis' foot was landed on around the time when we started changing scheme in the 1st/2nd Q. It looked like something that should've obliterated his Achilles, and I was AMAZED that Davis popped right back up like nothing happened. Maybe he was more injured than he let on.
We should feed Davis all we can when he's fresh, but if he's running on fumes and already injured then tossing him to the wolves would be gambling the rest of his productivity this season for one game's outcome. Dude was sucking wind by the end of the first quarter. I could see that when he was in the huddles.
DSK et al. should be able to pick up some slack. That's a deep, experienced room. We should expect them to shoulder some of the burden.
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On the last Davis carry he took a hard helmet to the head then the tackler stood over him in taunting fashion while a stripes took it all in 6 feet away. SEC football at its best.
