Billy Donovan is the only one that would truly excite me to be honest. Don't really care how many times he's spurned us, he would be most likely to not miss a beat if Cal left. Dude can coach and has the right personality.
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We are talking about coaches. Try to get your ADHD refill and get back on topic.
I don't even want to think about it, because there is a 100% chance we get nothing close to Cal.
And from I have heard, Marshall is a jerk. I don't think that is going to go over well with UK fans
Interesting. He has never struck me as one, but obviously that's just on TV. No, we don't like jerks...
Maybe that was what he said for public consumption, and he felt much differently privately. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Dude is a competitor, no way did blowing an Elite 8 game not bother him. But much better to be gracious in public and fume in private.
The NBA experience makes donovan more to my liking than before, not a gregg marshall fan, wierdo who doesnt fit uk mold imo, its too hard to even guess because it will depend so much on how things are going at the time...both for uk and the candidate.
Would uk fans ever accept Bobby Hurley under any circumstance?
He is on the rise at this point...and capel would probably be next duke coach if it happened in next 3 years...or if not capel hurley is a possibility for duke.
Brad Stevens, Donovan, Archie miller, orlando antigua, and darkhorse candidate of steve "got my diploma" massiello.
Would uk fans ever accept Bobby Hurley under any circumstance?
He is on the rise at this point...and capel would probably be next duke coach if it happened in next 3 years...or if not capel hurley is a possibility for duke.
Brad Stevens, Donovan, Archie miller, orlando antigua, and darkhorse candidate of steve "got my diploma" massiello.
at this point archie miller seems to have the most potential of young coaches imo. i watch most of ud's games and to me this guy looks like a better coach than his brother. he's very intense and sure gets the most out of his players. his rep is spreading and he'll probably be at a bigger program in the next couple of years. i'd hate to see him wind up at gooeyvill.
antigua has the personality and knows our program but i want to watch him coach a few more years before i make up my mind about him.
no dookies please.
How about:
- He'll be close to 60 by the time Cal leaves
- Doesn't recruit nationally
- In 15 years of coaching, he's only got past the 2nd round of the tournament 3 times
I guess I'm one of the few who isn't crazy about the idea of Billy Donovan. While I would NOT cease being a UK fan or would refuse to support him - he's simply someone I do not want here. He's a good coach, sure - and seems to be a good guy, but.....well just a personal opinion.
I think the idea, at this time, is Orlando Antigua - might be why Cal is willing to wait longer to retire (and I do believe he retires from coaching after UK). Think about it, if Cal is here 10 more years, that gives Coach A time to prove himself as a HC. If he can get USF to the tourney consistently over the next few - and have them do well; he'll be called to a higher profile job. If he can do well there (depending on where) then he'll be set up to take over for Cal here. He's already well liked by the UK fanbase, he has a great rapport with players and, I believe, his recruiting style is very similar. He did, after all, learn from the best. Coach A is only 42 now, so he'd be 52 when (if) he took over; still young enough to put in a decent tenure.
I know there are a lot of IFs for this to fall into place - and so many things could happen both positively and negatively between now and then. I'm also sure that there is a plan "B" somewhere "A" fails.
Honestly, I don't think there aren't any coaches active at this time who I think could, or would want to, follow Cal.
I think the idea, at this time, is Orlando Antigua - might be why Cal is willing to wait longer to retire (and I do believe he retires from coaching after UK). Think about it, if Cal is here 10 more years, that gives Coach A time to prove himself as a HC. If he can get USF to the tourney consistently over the next few - and have them do well; he'll be called to a higher profile job. If he can do well there (depending on where) then he'll be set up to take over for Cal here. He's already well liked by the UK fanbase, he has a great rapport with players and, I believe, his recruiting style is very similar. He did, after all, learn from the best. Coach A is only 42 now, so he'd be 52 when (if) he took over; still young enough to put in a decent tenure.
I know there are a lot of IFs for this to fall into place - and so many things could happen both positively and negatively between now and then. I'm also sure that there is a plan "B" somewhere "A" fails.
Honestly, I don't think there aren't any coaches active at this time who I think could, or would want to, follow Cal.
- Number 1 recruiting class 5 of 7 years, with 2 seconds
- Won well over 80% of his games
- 22-4 in the NCAA
- ESPN is a UK infomercial
- You can't find an NBA game where they're not talking about a UK guy
- 4 final fours in 5 years, only 3 coaches in history have done that
Will they still even play college basketball 40 years from now?
Too far down the road to predict with any accuracy. Probably be a fairly young guy that is hot at the time.
It will take either someone with a big ego, someone looking for a challenge, or someone doing it for the dough.
If we could have this success under Rupp, Pitino and Cal...... then there are others out there who can do similar things. But being spoiled by Cal's recruiting will show up big time because even if we get a Donovan, Miller or another top coach, they won't be pulling in mega classes every year and it will p*ss some people off.
Im afraid the morons of our fan base who love to complain will be our own worst enemy when Cal retires ... no matter who we hire.
Im afraid the morons of our fan base who love to complain will be our own worst enemy when Cal retires ... no matter who we hire.
I don't get this line of thinking, at all. Archie Miller gets lesser results than his brother, but at a program with low expectations (that he exceeds), whereas his brother gets better results, but is coaching at a school with enormous expectations (that he falls just short of meeting). So Archie is allegedly better. This seems like a weird line of reasoning to me, especially when you're talking about these guys in relationship to coaching UK- the program with the highest expectations in all of college basketball.
Archie Miller might turn out to be the better coach. I can't see any rational way to come to that conclusion at this point, though.
Great. How are you going to get him?
He's doing very well in Boston, and they have a ridiculous amount of draft picks to try and leverage to improve their roster the next few years. He's already earned enough respect around the league that, should something go bad in Boston (as NBA coaching always seems to involve dealing with a ton of organizational politics, and relationships can go bad), a lot of other teams would be hot after him. He might have a distaste for recruiting (lots of coaches do), and he grew up in Indiana, presumably rooting against UK (which may not matter to him now, but might).
I agree that he would be choice #1, but unfortunately, I think he's choice #1 for everyone, pros and college, and the odds of UK getting him (at least for the next few years) would be minuscule.
Yeah I'm kinda in the same line of thought. I'm not a huge proponent of Sean Miller succeeding Cal but I'd rather have him than Archie at this point. Sean has proven he can recruit and win at the highest level, despite his somewhat lack of tournament success. He's a great coach for Dayton but I'd prefer someone to have some experience at a high major to come in and take over. Kinda curious to see what Shaka Smart does in Texas for the next couple years for instance. But either way, hopefully by the time comes that Cal retires, the next choice will have made itself a little more obvious.
I do agree that it would have to take almost a perfect alignment of things to happen for him to ultimately end up at Kentucky. One, it depends on the timing. He may not even be coaching in the NBA by the time Cal decides to hang it up at UK. By that time, he will probably be at another premier CBB program such as Carolina or Duke. That is if he can't sustain his success in the NBA. If he is still having success in Boston or any other NBA gig by the time Cal retires, then we definitely would need to aim lower. It will have to be a situation where he is on a sinking ship and we can throw the big bucks his way to get him to land here. When it comes to competing against other programs for coaches, UK can out horsepower anyone in the college ranks. They have the money, history, tradition, resources to attract any coach they want. It just depends on the coaches personal preference like you said. He may not like the pressure of winning, recruiting at Kentucky or he may want to return home to Indiana.
There is absolutely no reason to believe Antigua is UK material. Absolutely nothin but rafter myths. I don't know why people keep peddling this, and it's no offense to you, as it happens routinely.
UK is not a job for "maybes". We've seen this before with coaches way more qulaified than Antigua. I love the guy, but it won't happen unless he blows up way more than he is. Just being "Cals guy" isn't criteria for this job. He's not an ace recruiter, he's not some X's and O's genius, and he's not even succeeding at south Florida yet.
The next coach needs to be qualified for UK, with a proven track record. It's that simple.
This is the right answer. It may be that no one on the radar now has any chance of holding a candle to what Cal is doing now. But if there is someone, it is either Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart if things fall out right at UT.
You Donovan people make me want to fumigate my iPad, God love ya.
He also went to a ton of NITs and won zero championships without Joakim and company.
Yeah, I know the party line is that Cal only won 1 title and none without AD. But Cal has put himself in striking distance many more times than Donovan, including at weaker schools, without all the NIT years. Donovan tends to have soft frontcourts outside his title squad. He looks like a graying Eddie Munster, seems a little emotionally unstable regarding his back and forth with UF and the NBA whether or not the UK talks ever really happened (but this is not sour grapes--I didn't want him then either) and whereas Bozich was clinically delusional making the claim about Cal, Billy D really does have Pitino envy.
Keep that smack out of Lexington.
Yeah, I know the party line is that Cal only won 1 title and none without AD. But Cal has put himself in striking distance many more times than Donovan, including at weaker schools, without all the NIT years. Donovan tends to have soft frontcourts outside his title squad. He looks like a graying Eddie Munster, seems a little emotionally unstable regarding his back and forth with UF and the NBA whether or not the UK talks ever really happened (but this is not sour grapes--I didn't want him then either) and whereas Bozich was clinically delusional making the claim about Cal, Billy D really does have Pitino envy.
Keep that smack out of Lexington.
Don't kill me for this one! I have always liked Self. Seems like a good man, great recruiter, and lets face it dude can coach. I don't think he would leave KU for UK. Would you welcome him? I would.
Honestly(and contrary to what a KU fan would tell you) UK is a step up from KU. If Self had a true desire to be a part of the greatest tradition on earth, why not if the price is right? Weirder things have happened even though some will race in to tell you I'm insane for suggesting it; however, it's all theoretical in nature due to the ages and current career structure of both men. It's more of a situation where Cal would have had to bolt.
I would never get to prove it, but he would listen to UK. KU is not UK.
