CI Wrestling Thread #56
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If I were Ospreay, I’d have been amped to respond to Triple H as well. That was shitty, running down someone’s character by basically saying they didn’t want to work.
The Punk stuff was meh. But after your second scrum backstage, you had to go, IMHO.
The Punk stuff was meh. But after your second scrum backstage, you had to go, IMHO.
Say what you want about Vince, but after the Montreal fiasco, he took the punch from Bret like a man.
Tony? A complete simp.
Tony? A complete simp.
My understanding is that the incident that made Tony Kahn so scared wasn’t on the footage shown.
Still…
Still…
Let me know when Triple H shows up to be in Danielson's corner for the Ospreay match. That's the thing - WM weekend was fun. What fans had fun with that last night? Furthering a storyline? No one is talking about FTR vs The Bucks right now. No one is talking about Ospreay vs Danielson. TK does interviews then says during them that he can't comment on anything. Last night was some sort of anger orgasm that Tony had to get out and he used an episode of Dynamite, a couple weeks before a PPV, to do it. AEW just isn't a serious company and every hardcore fan seems to be mocking them today.
AEW really had a golden opportunity. I’m sure there are plenty of people like me who were invested in the first few years, but have checked out.
Yup edge was right the talent is way more stacked than maybe anytime in aew’s history but yes ratings and YouTube views have declined over time.
I haven't checked out yet, but TK is doing his best Cal impression right now, doing so little with a wealth of talent.
Funny to think about it this way but maybe the worst thing to happen to AEW was Vince McMahon being forced out of WWE.
Agree 100%. I still don't understand what Tony was trying to accomplish. Assuming Jack Perry returns at the PPV next Sunday and helps the Buck win.
Since we know TK checks the Cage Match rankings last I saw last night's show was rated as the fourth worst Dynamite ever.
In the end they got a ratings bump- 819,000 viewers and a .30 in the demo.
Not much of a bump for the online backlash AEW's gotten. If you're going to call WWE out, at least make it fun and entertaining. Showing silent footage of a brief fight from the past or angrily reminding everyone that Triple H has sex with Vince's daughter isn't entertaining or clever. But congrats, you're likely to get more CM Punk chants on Wednesdays now because you can't let him go. Dude is over in two companies while most fans still don't care about the Bucks or Perry. Hope Punk had an ice cold Pepsi today to celebrate breaking AEW just by continuing to exist.
Cornette calls Mercedes Mone Mercedes Moan and what does she end up doing? Pretending she's injured by literally moaning like she's doing bad porn acting in front of a cheap movie camera. WWE has done a better job recently with Baron Corbin's bum ass than TK's done with Mone.
And with that, I'm likely taking a few weeks off from Dynamite again. We're introduced to rankings that don't matter (Mone is 0-0 but getting a title shot for instance), the stories kinda suck, wrestlers still pop in and out, and last night they copied the Rhodes vs a Samoan storyline from WWE while also trying to heal Tony's bruised ego by bashing WWE. Wtf is this company anymore? When it's more frustrating to watch than enjoyable, I've gotta take a step back.
Cornette calls Mercedes Mone Mercedes Moan and what does she end up doing? Pretending she's injured by literally moaning like she's doing bad porn acting in front of a cheap movie camera. WWE has done a better job recently with Baron Corbin's bum ass than TK's done with Mone.
And with that, I'm likely taking a few weeks off from Dynamite again. We're introduced to rankings that don't matter (Mone is 0-0 but getting a title shot for instance), the stories kinda suck, wrestlers still pop in and out, and last night they copied the Rhodes vs a Samoan storyline from WWE while also trying to heal Tony's bruised ego by bashing WWE. Wtf is this company anymore? When it's more frustrating to watch than enjoyable, I've gotta take a step back.
“Hey everyone, a guy we’re pushing got beat up for real by the worst MMA fighter of all time.”
That’s that great Tony Khan booking
That’s that great Tony Khan booking
WWE had an incredibly disliked video recently and they adjusted and the storyline worked out. I'm not sure the Bucks will see this as a negative or that they know the difference between heel heat and go-away heat. I'm sure they and TK see this as good news since the IWC hasn't talked about WM for the past 24 hrs. It's a classic political move to throw something controversial out and change the narrative for a couple days. Been surreal seeing most fans turn on the company for their weird decisions and Tony's responses only to have him tweet brag about a slight ratings bump.
I do disagree with the WCW 2000 comparison. That shit was unwatchable. AEW will always have great matches, it's just a lot of their reasoning makes no sense and Tony has become an unlikeable dolt.
I do disagree with the WCW 2000 comparison. That shit was unwatchable. AEW will always have great matches, it's just a lot of their reasoning makes no sense and Tony has become an unlikeable dolt.
Unlikeable online I mean. In person, a wonderful guy I'm sure. Hell, he hired the most random indie wrestlers imaginable that'd never have a shot at WWE during COVID just to keep them paid. He just can't take criticism, desperately wants the approval of a small, online community of fans, lives in a bubble, and when things aren't great, he lashes out at randoms on twitter. Some forget that when WWE was ignoring AEW completely, Tony, his wrestlers, and their fans took shots at "the fed" constantly, bragged about ratings, and predicted beating Raw was next. I wish them luck but I struggle to make sense of what's going on over there.
In an absolutely crazy bit of trivia, McIntyre has now won five world titles and nobody has ever bought a ticket to see him defend a world title. When he was champion in TNA twice in 2016 and early 2017, they only ran at Universal in Orlando which were free shows. His previous two WWE title reigns were during the pandemic, so there was no paid admission. And then at Mania, he won the title before actually the largest gate in history, and lost it before making a title defense before a paid crowd
Interesting so TK is just a big child with too much money…
It wasn't the Young Bucks' idea to show the CM Punk footage, but they "were not negative about" doing it when asked:
"As far as the Young Bucks went, it was Khan’s idea or at least management’s idea to do that segment and while they do want to move on from Punk, they were not negative about it. Their reaction was that they were heels doing a wrestling storyline. It was not their idea but they were not against doing their job as asked.
"The basic gist is they were given an assignment and tried to do it to the best of their abilities and were happy with how it turned out, and that they are villains on a television show and felt their role was to garner heat for the tag match. They have personally moved on from the Punk situation and it felt weird to have gone back to the past, but were happy to try and turn it into helping their feud with FTR."
(WON)
It wasn't the Young Bucks' idea to show the CM Punk footage, but they "were not negative about" doing it when asked:
"As far as the Young Bucks went, it was Khan’s idea or at least management’s idea to do that segment and while they do want to move on from Punk, they were not negative about it. Their reaction was that they were heels doing a wrestling storyline. It was not their idea but they were not against doing their job as asked.
"The basic gist is they were given an assignment and tried to do it to the best of their abilities and were happy with how it turned out, and that they are villains on a television show and felt their role was to garner heat for the tag match. They have personally moved on from the Punk situation and it felt weird to have gone back to the past, but were happy to try and turn it into helping their feud with FTR."
(WON)
And apparently TK broke UK law by airojg CCTV footage. Prob why AEW been striking all videos of it on twitter. Hilarious
Dumbest thing is that many of us heard that could be an issue, yet they did anyways.
People like Jericho, Big Show, Dean Malenko, Jerry Lynn, Dustin Rhodes, etc should be ashamed. All of them have had 25+ year’s experience in the biz and knew better and stepped up to stop Tony Clown, but they didn’t.
Just a bunch of idiots.
Famously, Jerry Jarrett had a sign in his office saying “personal issues sell”.
All of these clowns had a chance to make money….
Randoms from yesterday…
Wonder if Cody said the cuss word on purpose as a dig at the Rock doing the same
Pretty cool Cody acknowledging him and AJ were both WWE and NWA champs - prob something like that would have never been said in the Vince era
Mox beat Naito for the IWGP belt at the njpw strong show last night
Wonder if Cody said the cuss word on purpose as a dig at the Rock doing the same
Pretty cool Cody acknowledging him and AJ were both WWE and NWA champs - prob something like that would have never been said in the Vince era
Mox beat Naito for the IWGP belt at the njpw strong show last night
So my guess, prob at Survivor Series:
Bloodline War Games:
Reigns, Jimmy, Jey, Sami
Vs
Rock, Solo, Tama Tonga, Jacob Fatu
Bloodline War Games:
Reigns, Jimmy, Jey, Sami
Vs
Rock, Solo, Tama Tonga, Jacob Fatu
I’ll always give Omega props for caring most about getting Larry the dog out above all else.
Second number is if these occurred at an AEW PPV. It's just the way Tuna Meltzer operates and that's fine. I can't really crush his WM ratings. I'd go higher on a few of these but I don't see anything crazy here. It's just you know Danielson vs Ospreay (which will be great) is going to get an absurd 6.5 or something and Joe vs Swerve will likely get an automatic 4.5 or higher lol. He's gotta keep the perception going that AEW is the only place that'll give you 5 star bangers.
Rhea vs Becky - 4.25/4.75
Tag Ladder match - 4.25/5
Sami vs Gunther - 4.5/5.5
Drew vs Seth - 4/4.5
Knight vs Styles - 3.5/4.25
Paul vs Orton vs Owens - 4.25/5.5
Bayley vs Iyo - 4.5/5
Cody vs Roman - 4.75/5.5
Rhea vs Becky - 4.25/4.75
Tag Ladder match - 4.25/5
Sami vs Gunther - 4.5/5.5
Drew vs Seth - 4/4.5
Knight vs Styles - 3.5/4.25
Paul vs Orton vs Owens - 4.25/5.5
Bayley vs Iyo - 4.5/5
Cody vs Roman - 4.75/5.5
During his Twitch stream last night, Kenny Omega talked a little bit about Brawl Out. He says he thought his duty as EVP during All Out was to enter the situation of chaos, de esculate it and create a peaceful environment for everyone. He says he was able to create a peaceful environment for the most important person, and it was Larry, CM Punks dog.
He says getting Larry out of there was the most important concern to him. Omega adds that during that situation he realized that the way he wanted to go about things wasn't how other people wanted to. He brings how when you're a performer and you're in a high stress situation and you're physically exhausted, but you're in an environment like Brawl Out, sometimes emotions get the best of you and people will want to fight.
Kenny continues with saying that maybe it's fortunate or unfortunate that he's a believer in that if it's the best way to solve things and then move on and shake hands afterwards, then he's actually a believer of fighting, which he understands sounds terrible to say.
He says that sometimes, you can't do that anymore, but sometimes, that's just how you have to settle things, sometimes. He says that he doesn't mean that you settle it and it has to be shown on tv or people go online and brag about who won or lost and that it's only purpose is to get out stuff that you need to get out especially when you cant think straight due to the stress and feels like he would get his mind together after throwing hands as long as theres no eye gouging, hair pulling or low blows. But he ends it saying that this mindset is why he has no power, nor should he. He reveals that he hasn't had power in four years and believes that he's a terrible EVP. As far as his status with Punk, he doesn't really know. He says they have mutual respect for each other and reached out to each other. Kenny says he and Punk were never "bad" with each other and that if it wasn't for another "factor", they would have been able to have that talk on the night of Brawl Out, but as far as he knows, there's no issues between he and Punk.
Kenny says that even if there was no legality to it, he's not a huge fan of pulling back the curtain on stuff that doesn't need to be public and that if people ever fight, it's for them to air out their system and for it to not be public.
He says getting Larry out of there was the most important concern to him. Omega adds that during that situation he realized that the way he wanted to go about things wasn't how other people wanted to. He brings how when you're a performer and you're in a high stress situation and you're physically exhausted, but you're in an environment like Brawl Out, sometimes emotions get the best of you and people will want to fight.
Kenny continues with saying that maybe it's fortunate or unfortunate that he's a believer in that if it's the best way to solve things and then move on and shake hands afterwards, then he's actually a believer of fighting, which he understands sounds terrible to say.
He says that sometimes, you can't do that anymore, but sometimes, that's just how you have to settle things, sometimes. He says that he doesn't mean that you settle it and it has to be shown on tv or people go online and brag about who won or lost and that it's only purpose is to get out stuff that you need to get out especially when you cant think straight due to the stress and feels like he would get his mind together after throwing hands as long as theres no eye gouging, hair pulling or low blows. But he ends it saying that this mindset is why he has no power, nor should he. He reveals that he hasn't had power in four years and believes that he's a terrible EVP. As far as his status with Punk, he doesn't really know. He says they have mutual respect for each other and reached out to each other. Kenny says he and Punk were never "bad" with each other and that if it wasn't for another "factor", they would have been able to have that talk on the night of Brawl Out, but as far as he knows, there's no issues between he and Punk.
Kenny says that even if there was no legality to it, he's not a huge fan of pulling back the curtain on stuff that doesn't need to be public and that if people ever fight, it's for them to air out their system and for it to not be public.
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