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Chicken Little Fans Are a Waste

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10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope
 
I was miserable after that loss.

However, your perspective is correct. My expectations were 20 wins, 23 if we had a “great season”. Sweet 16 as a ceiling. I didn’t know the SEC would be this good either. Coach Pope and this team have been fun thus far. I’ll take 10-2. I’m most excited to see how Coach grows himself, not just the team.
 
10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope
Amen brother who had only 2 losses on their Bingo card for a non conference record for Pope’s 1st season? I know I had about 4 or more. 6 months to put a team together and not even 2 months coaching the team and already ready to crucify him. Dude needs a little time to get things going and everyone needs to understand that considering how that conman Calipari left things!
 
10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope
If last night was a one off, I would understand your attack on fans which is typically what happens around here when our team craps their pants. However, this is not a one off. This team has been trending down for weeks. If it was a stock, every qualified investor would be selling at this point. Every qualified investor knows you should never make emotional investments. There is no difference when it comes to sports teams. To say a team is looking like a bad investment, doesn't mean the team has no chance of correcting things. It simply means it isn't time to put your head in the sand while pretending everything is ok. Why, because past success is no guarantee of future success especially if there are no changes to what is causing the downward trend.
 
Don’t think the sky is falling. It’s actually more that the fog is clearing up and we’re seeing who the team really is. The losses will pile up in SEC play and, as expected, we’ll get bounced early in the tournament. Now it’s just about seeing what Pope can do with a roster that’s weaker than most of the teams he will face the rest of the way. Hopefully adjustments are made and he at least attempts to utilize different lineups.
 
10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope
What did we actually expect at the beginning of the year? Most people thought we would only have 18 wins, but we win some big games and everyone expects a National Championship but it’s still a 20-23 win team. IMO
Let’s let Pope actually get his type of players he wants and needs.
 
When you play an inferior opponent and they start playing out of their mind, it’s your job to remind them who they are and who you are however you need to do that. No sense of urgency until we were down 17, too late then but the trend of these slow starts is concerning when league play is almost here. If these guys haven’t learned that we get everybody’s best shot by now, the road sec games are going to be like this and worst so better come out on fire or this isn’t the first loss of this nature.
 
What did we actually expect at the beginning of the year? Most people thought we would only have 18 wins, but we win some big games and everyone expects a National Championship but it’s still a 20-23 win team. IMO
Let’s let Pope actually get his type of players he wants and needs.
If this team regains its 3-point shooting, the poor defense won't really matter. When we were playing well, it wasn't because of defense. It was because we were simply outscoring our opponents with numbers in the 90s. As well as our opponent played last night, they still didn't achieve our typical scoring.
 
We are an emotional fanbase. I get when people are upset. I hate losing as much as anyone. I have to turn the TV off when they are playing poorly because it makes me physically ill. But, I try to keep perspective.

Just 8ish months ago, after all of the one and done type talent had already signed with a Coach(because let’s face it, that is who they are loyal to) Cal decided to skip out on Ky taking what he could with him. Most agreed at that point that it was a short term struggle. But almost assuredly a possible long term win.

At that point, 99% of the fanbase would have been totally elated if you told them we were 10-2 with wins over Duke and Gonzaga . We had been ranked in the top 10 for what 4 weeks, peaking at #4. We also have a top 5 recruiting class with 2 more Ky boys coming. Anyone who looked at that information in a vacuum 8 months ago would have eaten that up. Why? Because Pope had about 2 months to get on campus, get a coaching staff and 2 months to recruit a team that was almost completely filled by the portal.

As much as older players add stability, you cannot build a roster 100% out of them and not get players who have holes in their game. That is why they are still playing college ball after 5 year.

This is why Pope knew he had to have top level talent from HS. And, you have to get a few of those to stay each year make it work.

So for you guys kicking and screaming like 2 year olds, who want to stick with older guys altogether. You were warned. We are a 10-20 ranked team, who can beat anyone on any given night. But, can lose on any given night.

It is going to take 1-2 years of recruiting and retaining to get to a level UConn is on this journey. If you thought anything else, you were fooling yourself. If we had gotten the insufferable Hurley to move, this probably would have taken way less time, but the dude was not interested. Outside of him and Pearl, who has a lot of warts for someone like Mitch, I don’t think we are getting any better results with another coach.

Just my take.
 
10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope

We haven't played any good teams at Rupp yet. Let's see if we are still undefeated there a month into sec play.
 
These low expectations are why our bb program is trying to recover from life support. Don’t blow the games that are basically must win. This is going to cost us 1-2 seed lines. Going into SEC this isn’t the game you want. Now call that whatever you want but to me it’s uk fans sick of losing. Sick of the excuses the mentality of the fb program seeping in. I want to spend moments with my son again sharing UK basketball. He’s 20 so the last several years are making it more and more difficult to keep him engaged. UK bb fell asleep and woke up as the 6th-8th best team in the sec. You “chicken little” description needs to stay on the uk fb forum.
 
How many games is it going to take before we as a fanbase except that Kentucky isn’t a good shooting team, and that the clear issues being said aren’t fans being “chicken littles”. Pointing out the issues isn’t being a chicken little, sitting here watching the same issues every week and acting like Kentucky is gonna win all the time is way worse.
 
I am equally disappointed in the loss and the fans. I had a feeling before this game (and of course only I know what I am saying is true on my hunch) that this was going to be loss or very close. There were many dynamics suggesting it. However, I didn't anticipate a blow-out of our team. Nevertheless, very early in the season after watching our team I posted here they remind me of the Alabama team of a few seasons ago where they were unbeatable when hitting 3's and marginal when not. This game was the "when not." Other than Carr our inside offense this season is questionable. The middle has opened up when we are hitting some 3's but the main offense is shooting not post play.

What I am truly shocked by is the fans here who have so quickly abandoned everything and are so negative.

Pope has been the best coach we could have ever hoped for. Cal f'kd us by taking the team and Pope inherited no one. What he accomplished has been awesome. Think about it he put a team together that beat Duke and the Zags away from our home court. We played Clemson close on their court and at times have looked unbeatable.

Yes clearly an over-reaction on the degree of expectations with that success but this team is going to be fine.
 
OP is right.
30% and 18% will not win a game, it’s that simple. I believe if we play this same Ohio St team 10 times, we win 8-9 of them.
Agree regarding the shooting %. Disagree on 8-9 wins as UK is right now. The issue with the shooting isn’t UK hasn’t become a bad shooting team or had an off night. Teams have figured UK out. No need to respect the drive. No need to respect the inside game. So just pressure the outside to take away open looks. The shots UK took were in large part highly contested. Until UK changes up we have seen the blueprint going forward.

Do I think Pope has the ability to adjust? Yes. Does he have the pieces this year? Well I guess we will see.
 
We all knew this team was going to live or die based on its shooting on any given night. A game like yesterday was guaranteed to happen. Learn from it and move forward. The sky isn't falling.
 
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We played a Ohio St. team tonight that had everything going on for them, and Ky did not seem to being playing with intensity to win, I thought Ky should have been zoning some of course our shots was not falling I guess we will know in the next few weeks what this team is made of.
Going to find out real soon.... look for 9-9 in SEC.
 
We all knew this team was going to live or die based on its shooting on any given night. A game like yesterday was guaranteed to happen. Learn from it and move forward. The sky isn't falling.

Yeah. Either you outshoot your opponent or you do things to create additional shots if you can't hit at a high clip.

We don't force enough turnovers or rebound on the offensive end well enough to generate extra shots. Now to our credit, we don't turn it over ourselves and do we a fairly decent job rebounding on the defensive end. But we get no differential there. We have to shoot a better % than the opponent to win and we just haven't been doing that lately.
 
I honestly think a group of posters on here want everybody to be like the team mom, who tells the team good job and gets them orange slices and cookies after every game because they tried.
Yeah, whatever you do please don't tell a snowflake he didn't perform well. It is very easy to tell when you engage someone from the "participation trophy" generation vs the "you earn it" generation.
 
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Don’t think the sky is falling. It’s actually more that the fog is clearing up and we’re seeing who the team really is. The losses will pile up in SEC play and, as expected, we’ll get bounced early in the tournament. Now it’s just about seeing what Pope can do with a roster that’s weaker than most of the teams he will face the rest of the way. Hopefully adjustments are made and he at least attempts to utilize different lineups.
Hmmm. So we get bounced early in the tournament. And here I had planned to watch it unfold as it happened. But now I know.
 
Yeah, whatever you do please don't tell a snowflake he didn't perform well. It is very easy to tell when you engage someone from the "participation trophy" generation vs the "you earn it" generation.
My favorite part is when we bring up issues, their automatic response is that we’re hating on pope. It’s the opposite, pope has been great minus some sub patterns in games and the slow starts pope is great. The issue is he doesn’t have the roster to fully do what he wants.
 
Agree regarding the shooting %. Disagree on 8-9 wins as UK is right now. The issue with the shooting isn’t UK hasn’t become a bad shooting team or had an off night. Teams have figured UK out. No need to respect the drive. No need to respect the inside game. So just pressure the outside to take away open looks. The shots UK took were in large part highly contested. Until UK changes up we have seen the blueprint going forward.

Do I think Pope has the ability to adjust? Yes. Does he have the pieces this year? Well I guess we will see.
Agree! I have been aiming to post something very similar and just haven't. Teams have adjusted, now we have to find an answer. Teams have decided to not allow us to beat them with the three and since Amari has been exposed as no threat when the offense is run through him out top, teams are sticking to our shooters, and we are not getting as good of looks as we were getting. Especially for Brea and Robinson and I think it has affected them the most. They seem to be shooting more off the dribble vs catch and shoot like before. They are both long and can shoot over a lot of the challenges, but those shots are not as high of percentage shot as what they were getting earlier.

I think this has affected our drives as well since the other team's big has an easier time in helping out and challenging in the lane. Against OSU we missed several layups or short shots that I think we would normally make. We'll see going forward.

Amari could really help this team a lot if he could become more effective at both ends of the court.
On the offensive end if you continue to run the offense through him, he has to make the defense pay at a very high rate when he rolls to basket and receives the pass or drives the lane. So far has not shown that ability.
Other option imo is to stop running the offense with him out top and actually posting him on the low block. This too would necessitate him actually finishing around the rim. If he could do that reasonably well, the hope would be that it would force some teams at least to have to double him down low and that would hopefully lead to some open looks for a shooter. He is a good passer. Then again, all of our bigs have been a black hole once they receive the ball in the paint.

On the defensive end is where I am most disappointed in him. He has the physical tools. Size, fairly agile, and can jump when he wants to. I think he has won every opening tip except one. He rarely challenges the other team's guards like ours get challenged on drives. He very often doesn't even raise his arms. I don't know if it is mental, lack of desire/effort, stamina or some combination of these. He has shown flashes of playing decent position defense even though his help defense has been very poor.

Sorry for such a long post and is just a "bennies" opinion.
 
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Don’t think the sky is falling. It’s actually more that the fog is clearing up and we’re seeing who the team really is. The losses will pile up in SEC play and, as expected, we’ll get bounced early in the tournament. Now it’s just about seeing what Pope can do with a roster that’s weaker than most of the teams he will face the rest of the way. Hopefully adjustments are made and he at least attempts to utilize different lineups.
Do you not get tired of acting like you like UK?
 
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I expect to not get blown out by a team that has already lost by 40 and 28 this season when we're not even into conference play. We can say whatever we want, but that was a horrid loss. We lost 2 seed lines in one outing.
 
The Internet and social media.

people bitched and moaned this same way before they just did it in their living rooms or at the store in the morning drinking their coffee with the rest of the old timers. You just hear it more now because everyone’s got a tiny box in their hand that can tell the entire world their thoughts every waking moment.
 
10-2 record, undefeated in Rupp, wins over Duke and Gonzaga by a team of players who’s claim to fame was that they had none. But the Sky is Falling crowd comes around after a loss. I suggest to ignore all negativity this year and support the team and program and Coach Pope
Yes, yes, and....yes. The ones who lose it completely are tiresome.

Coach Pope did not come to Kentucky as the 1st choice. He did not come here as the hottest coach in college basketball. He didn't get a bunch of 5 stars.

He's won big games already. His offense has been fun to watch. Expectations were not high at all. Are they bulletproof? No. Are they dominant? No. But I have been impressed with the way they have handled being at UK. The players seem very happy to be playing for UK.

Coach Pope is already recruiting well. His staff is really good. Blowing up over this loss is ridiculous considering how the last 5 years were.
 
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