Change to playoff system.
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And take away home field advantage? Big no to that.
So far, this playoff system is proving that there are not 12 teams that deserve the shot at the NC. The four team playoff was much better.
I just think 4 was too limiting and people got tired of seeing the same teams rotate through it. So I could get expansion. What I don't care for is how they set it up with seeding and things.
Personally I say scrap this whole committee and lets bring back the BCS model and let that thing rank the teams. Some guy's website did that and he basically had the same teams in the field.
PSU is the BIG BIG winner. It could never make the playoff. And, now it gets a sweetheart path to the level of four. Beat SMU and Boise and it achieves something that was before impossible. Happy Valley.
That’s like saying the NFL playoffs should be split lol yall sound insane
And there aren’t 68 teams that can win the NCAA Tournsment. I don’t know why people are opposed to more meaningful post season games in college football.
As it is turning out you are likely right with 12 being too many, but 3/4 way into the 2nd game you are dead on. But if any criteria were used besides record and the committee did a better job ranking the 12 teams would 12 be too many? I don't know that answer, I know that QB at south Carolina and their defensive front make them a handful, but they struggled big against Clemson.
The more teams in, the bigger the chance of non competitive games, but the smaller the number the bigger the chance a team who can win it be left out. I hate saying this, but UTjr has a legit defense and a dangerous offense, would be out with 8 teams.
Changs I would like to see is do away with home field and put games indoors, give each school 10k tickes and put the rest up for sale. Why gamble with weather?
The biggest issue is putting in teams that don’t have a chance to win a game even if they play pretty well. Just not enough personnel in these teams with good records and easy schedules in the unweighted schedule system. SMU shouldn’t be a stunner that they don’t have enough. They lost to Clemson and Clemson was smashed by UGA
Does not matter if you expand to a 32 team playoff, most years 3 of 4 teams will still be the same.
There might be 12 deserving teams but not necessarily those 12. When they eventually go to 16, they should just seed it like they do the basketball tourney,
Lot of games to be played yet. I'll take a few blowouts if it means not watching a meaningless poinsettia bowl with 2 dozen "out-outs".
The other thing is at least with this 12 team playoff we get meaningful football this time of year for college. Under the 4 team model we'd have to wait until early January for those games and these other teams would have been riven with opt outs and transfers, making their bowl appearances in non-playoff bowls meaningless.
I also think the IU and SMU games could've been closer if those teams hadn't botched some early drives. IU's INT last night on the 2 yard line killed them and those 2 pick 6's destroyed SMU today.
I also think the IU and SMU games could've been closer if those teams hadn't botched some early drives. IU's INT last night on the 2 yard line killed them and those 2 pick 6's destroyed SMU today.
1. Oregon 2 Georgia 3. Texas 4. Penn state
That's your 4 team playoff this season. 2 rematched of teams that just played. I'd switch Texas and Penn state to avoid that but based on the true playoff rankings we get those teams.
The cupcakes wouldn't get in if we had a 4 team playoff.
If they had 4 teams it would have most likely been Oregon, UGA, Texas, and either ND/PsU. No way that would be better. Def should be top 12 and no auto byes. That would make it better but this is still better than 4
Disagree with it being split down the middle, as I think the better seed deserves a home field advantage. But, the visiting teams are only getting 3500 tickets and that's too few. It's odd though, demand for these games is not high (outside of Indiana vs. ND last night). Get in prices in Columbus tonight are as low as $50, and that could mean a reported 30,000 vol fans in the horseshoe.
I do think some tweaks need to be made though:
-More true home games. The top four seeds deserve at least one game at home.
-Truly seed the field. There is zero reason why Boise gets the third seed in this tournament.
-Increase importance of Strength of schedule. Indiana, Boise, and Texas beat zero really good teams this year (at least Texas can say that it beat ok teams like Florida and vandy and A&M; Indiana beat....MICHIGAN?).
I do think some tweaks need to be made though:
-More true home games. The top four seeds deserve at least one game at home.
-Truly seed the field. There is zero reason why Boise gets the third seed in this tournament.
-Increase importance of Strength of schedule. Indiana, Boise, and Texas beat zero really good teams this year (at least Texas can say that it beat ok teams like Florida and vandy and A&M; Indiana beat....MICHIGAN?).
I don’t understand the “we do it in basketball, so why not football” argument. People like the Cinderella basketball upsets. Fine. But, the college football tournament used to start with the first game of the season. Now, not as much. See Clemson.
Yes. Totally agree. I'm just thinking that if Kentucky ever squeaked in, it would probably be an away game. Our fans would be bummed out not getting any tickets.
8 was the correct number, imo. I think you HAVE to give every power conference champ an auto bid, last year's situation demanded an expansion. But we jumped straight to too many teams. If we did the 5 champs getting bids (to stave off antitrust lawsuit from the G5 schools) and 3 at large you'd have:
1 Oregon vs 8 Clemson
4 Penn St vs 5 Notre Dame
3 Texas vs 6 Boise St
2 Georgia vs 7 Arizona St
So in your 8 team playoff the cupcake 9th, 12th and 16th ranked teams get in. SEC and Big 10 just need to break away and form their own playoff (add a few more teams to each so u get your clemsons and fsus and so forth included). I'd be far more interested in watching that.
I don’t think conference champs need to be invited. Clemson should never have been in the playoffs this year. They are looking like UK at Texas today.
They do it in every other sport in the NCAA. Baseball, basketball, lacrosse, soccer, FCS football, DII football, DIII football, etc etc. ….every single sport.
I just don’t know why people don’t want more meaningful games in college football. Why the need to cut it to 8 when you can have 4 more meaningful games on the Saturday behote Christmas?
The idea that every sport needs to do the same thing makes no sense. Football has always made the season key. Now it is less so. I do not care about Cinderellas. But, the make it like everything else fans won the debate ($$$$).
Bowl games lost their luster with guys opting out, transferring etc. That model no longer worked in modern college football. I’d love 16 teams personally. I know we are opposite ends on this debate.
IMO, the bowl issue has no moment in this discussion. It’s about finding a national champion. This year 12 has sucked. ABC can try and hype it all the want, we have had two bad games and one mediocre game. Now the Buckeyes jump out of the gate bitch slapping the Vols. If this holds, the first year was a football bust, regardless of the ratings.
I'm no OSU fan but if we are looking for the best teams, I don't see how everyone is leaving them out in their reduced format. They are arguably the most talented team this year and their two losses were by a total of four points. They also beat PSU head to head. I think the goal should always be the 12 best teams, if the conference champs make a strong enough case then I'm fine with it but it doesn't need to be a lock for a team from a conference that is having a down year.
I bring in the bowl discussion because FBS post season football was broken and the 12 team playoff has 100% helped.
IMO, the issue is more about how the selections and seeding happen more than being 12 teams. That definitely needs to be fixed. Overall, I love more games though. I don’t care if the 12th ranked team has very little shot at winning it all. I’d rather watch these than the Citrus Bowl with comparable teams and guys opting out.
What makes you think Boise State is a cupcake? Their only loss was by 3 to Oregon this year. And Clemson had a chance tonight to knock off Texas. They probably put up the best fight of a low seeded team in round 1.
By the argument you are making we shouldn't even bother with the regular season. SEC teams like Bama and Ole Miss should have to lose 5 times before they are eliminated from the race.
IMO you have to incentivize winning the conferences. And no one is going to go along with only top 12 when their conference could be left out. Ideally getting the top 12 would be great but that still doesnt even happen in pro sports as division winners get guaranteed bids.
We are here because football has always handled it championship is a ridiculous manner. All the other sports have a playoff format. College football has always been a TV product that was built to promote the brand schools.
It is surprising fans of UK and Louisville that had .000001 percent chance at a 4 team playoff are criticizing a 12 or 16 playoff where they have a legit shot at making at some point. Instead they want to go to a bowl game instead. What are we talking about?
The playoff was created to give team similar opportunities as the brands. There is nothing wrong with that and as time goes on the non brand team will upset a brand team. The one thing that probably won’t change is the brands will still win the title because they have the better lines. That is OK because the path to that title will be more entertaining to watch.
It is surprising fans of UK and Louisville that had .000001 percent chance at a 4 team playoff are criticizing a 12 or 16 playoff where they have a legit shot at making at some point. Instead they want to go to a bowl game instead. What are we talking about?
The playoff was created to give team similar opportunities as the brands. There is nothing wrong with that and as time goes on the non brand team will upset a brand team. The one thing that probably won’t change is the brands will still win the title because they have the better lines. That is OK because the path to that title will be more entertaining to watch.
I don't necessarily disagree but at the same time, they need to get those teams playing in weaker conferences to step out and schedule more competitive teams in their non conference games. They already get their cupcake games in conference. That doesn't really apply to IU, they just got the luck of the dice, it does apply to teams playing in the Big12, ACC, and smaller conferences. If teams play in one of those weak conferences and give themselves weak OOC games, I'm ok with leaving them out, especially with a loss. IU should have been left out, their only test of the year they didn't pass, OSU did their best in that game to show IU didn't belong.
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