CBS Hoops Mailbag: UK Has Best Starting Five This Season
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I don't see how we don't. All 5 star McDonalds AA with Poy and Ulis having F4 experience. Skal probably going to be one of the best post players in the country and the #1 pick. Murray is going to be one of the best guards in the nation and probably a top 5 pick. Ulis if he improved like most from frosh to soph is gonna be one of the better point guards in college. Poy is ready to bust out this year at the 4/PF, remember before he got hurt he was killing in those 6 pre-season international games. Briscoe who can play and guard the 1, 2 and 3 was by many experts considered the best PG in HS last year. Not to mention we got a great bench with Lee, Mulder, Matthews, Humphries, Wynyard, Hawkins and Willis.
Not sure how you can't rate us top 5. With as many 5 star players and future lotto picks/NBA players we have, its a no brainer.
Depth down low is your Achille's heel. I couldn't get the link to work so don't know where my Jayhawks landed.
Don't get me wrong, you guys are stacked in the starting five.
But if I was an opposing coach, I would go straight at Skal and POY, and try to get them in foul trouble.
Also, I like Mason more than Ullis at the point. What will Uliss do now that he doesn't have an NBA team to whom to pass? He is not a great creator or scorer. He is 5'8".
Frank is a legit 6'. And can score. Granted, he gets his weak ass attempts swatted, but he is learning to pass out of the drive.
In fact, I'm not sure your starting five our better than ours.
Mason, Graham, Selden, Ellis, Diallo.
That is solid. With Svi and Greene coming in at the 2-3. Maybe Svi at the 2 with graham spelling him.
Down low we have Perry and Diallo spelled by Bragg (4) and Mickelson and Lucas (5). Followed by Traylor.
You all are very good. But I think we are stacked this year.
We will be tested though. Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa state are gonna be good.
Who, in your league, will test you?
Don't get me wrong, you guys are stacked in the starting five.
But if I was an opposing coach, I would go straight at Skal and POY, and try to get them in foul trouble.
Also, I like Mason more than Ullis at the point. What will Uliss do now that he doesn't have an NBA team to whom to pass? He is not a great creator or scorer. He is 5'8".
Frank is a legit 6'. And can score. Granted, he gets his weak ass attempts swatted, but he is learning to pass out of the drive.
In fact, I'm not sure your starting five our better than ours.
Mason, Graham, Selden, Ellis, Diallo.
That is solid. With Svi and Greene coming in at the 2-3. Maybe Svi at the 2 with graham spelling him.
Down low we have Perry and Diallo spelled by Bragg (4) and Mickelson and Lucas (5). Followed by Traylor.
You all are very good. But I think we are stacked this year.
We will be tested though. Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa state are gonna be good.
Who, in your league, will test you?
There is just so much wrong in this post, I don't know where to begin.
I'd rather have no point guard in America over Ulis, I don't care how tall he is. And you think you have better bigs? I doubt it, are you forgetting Marcus Lee and Humphries? You guys will be good and may beat us in Allen Fieldhouse but NO WAY will you beat us on a neutral court. I'd rather have our guards than yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Also to answer your question we will tested by LSU, A&M, Vandy maybe but we will win the league. Can't wait to get to play the hawks.
you cant talk to ku fans about basketball. to them...its about big 12 titles. we are on a different level. the two programs, coaches, expectations...its apples and oranges.
That literally may be the single most homer post I have ever read in my lifetime. Leave it up to bill self and his radical worshippers to bring the comedy. Pure gold. Ulis is overrated apparently. We should just bench him for Johnny David.
Kansas fans will think our players are better and UK fans will think their players are better. Being a fan means, for the most part, being unable to be objective. Unless, of course, your team totally sucks, then lack of objectivity would mirror insanity.
Who does KU have that is better than Skal or Murray? And you asked who will Ulis have to pass to since his NBA buddies are gone? More NBA buddies this year.. We have about 8-10 more NBA players this year.. You couldn't give me two Ellis's for one Poy.. You've done went crossed the idiot line.. Ku has a good team,, but not UK good.. Even the media and coaches back that up..
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I'm just going to totally ignore the Ulis commentary.Let's see, though; frontcourt depth is a problem for UK with guys like Lee and Humphries coming off the bench, but not for KU with guys like Mickelson, Lucas, and Traylor coming off the bench? It's funny that you would consider Mickelson, Lucas, and Traylor as serviceable back-ups, but completely ignore Lee and Humphries as if they were scrubs.
I mean, seriously, we don't mind fans from other teams posting here, but if you are going to continually be this bad, then please do it on your own board. Coming here and talking basketball, even trading a few jabs is one thing, but this isn't the place for you to come and constantly over embellish and rah-rah anything and everything KU.
Yeah, I think you and I both know that his/her post was a little more than just being a non objective fanatic. It's teetering on being delusional. I dare you to read it again without thinking "wtf?".
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We will be tested though. Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa state are gonna be good.
Who, in your league, will test you?[/QUOTE]
Trout, I like you, I really do - you're always respectful and you do genuinely seem to love basketball. Since you like to compare both of our teams so much, let's look at it this way:
Both of our teams lead our conferences, ok good. Both of our teams have the most conference regular season championships. Fantastic. But really, that's only half the season, is it not?
Look at out of conference:
Kansas:
Nov. 4: vs. Pittsburg State (exhibition)
Nov. 10: vs. Emporia State (exhibition)
Nov. 13: vs. Northern Colorado
Nov. 17: vs. Michigan State at United Center in Chicago (Champions Classic)
Nov. 23: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 24: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 25: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Dec. 1: vs. Loyola (Maryland)
Dec. 5: vs. Harvard
Dec. 9: vs. Holy Cross
Dec. 12: vs. Oregon State at the Sprint Center
Dec. 19: vs. Montana
Dec. 22: at San Diego State
Dec. 29: vs. UC Irvine
Jan. 30: vs. Kentucky
Kentucky:
NOVEMBER
2 (Mon) * OTTAWA [TBA] TBA
6 (Fri) * KENTUCKY STATE [TBA] TBA
13 (Fri) 1 ALBANY [TBA] TBA
14 (Sat) 1 NJIT [TBA] TBA
17 (Tues) 2 vs. Duke [ESPN] 7:30 p.m.
20 (Fri) WRIGHT STATE [TBA] TBA
24 (Tues) 1 BOSTON [TBA] TBA
27 (Fri) 3 vs. South Florida [ESPN] 5 p.m.
30 (Mon) ILLINOIS STATE [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
DECEMBER
3 (Thurs) at UCLA [ESPN] 9 p.m.
9 (Wed) EASTERN KENTUCKY [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
12 (Sat) ARIZONA STATE [ESPN] 3:15 p.m.
19 (Sat) 4 vs. Ohio State [CBS] 3:30 p.m.
26 (Sat) LOUISVILLE [CBS] Noon
JANUARY
30 at Kansas
Compare the two schedules - and while I will grant you the Maui Invitational (tourney this year includes Kansas, UCLA, IU, UNLV, Wake Forest, St Johns and Vanderbilt) there is no guarantee who you will play after your first game, and honestly - how strong a field do you think this is overall? But say the chips fall where they should, and KU plays UCLA and IU - and IU is probably going to drop in the rankings quickly given their off court problems - the only other teams you play OOC, really, are MSU and UK.
But for the Cats - Duke, UCLA, Ohio State and Louisville as well, of course, Kansas. You can draw your own conclusions as to OOC SOS.
Back to in-conference - well let's look at the last several years (go back 10 if you like): the Big 12 has been considered stronger right? Winning the Big 12 is much more difficult than winning the SEC - all the experts agree. So one would think that the Kansas should have more than 2 FF appearances in that time, yes? Granted, Kentucky only has four in that time frame - but for four of those years we had Tubby and BCG (a true trainwreck of an individual)
I will add one last thing - in the 10 year time frame I mentioned - the Big 12 has 2 FF appearance teams (Kansas in 2008 and 2012). The SEC has 8 (Kentucky in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015, Florida in 2006, 2007 and 2014. LSU in 2006)
Just some things to think about
We will be tested though. Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa state are gonna be good.
Who, in your league, will test you?[/QUOTE]
Trout, I like you, I really do - you're always respectful and you do genuinely seem to love basketball. Since you like to compare both of our teams so much, let's look at it this way:
Both of our teams lead our conferences, ok good. Both of our teams have the most conference regular season championships. Fantastic. But really, that's only half the season, is it not?
Look at out of conference:
Kansas:
Nov. 4: vs. Pittsburg State (exhibition)
Nov. 10: vs. Emporia State (exhibition)
Nov. 13: vs. Northern Colorado
Nov. 17: vs. Michigan State at United Center in Chicago (Champions Classic)
Nov. 23: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 24: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 25: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Dec. 1: vs. Loyola (Maryland)
Dec. 5: vs. Harvard
Dec. 9: vs. Holy Cross
Dec. 12: vs. Oregon State at the Sprint Center
Dec. 19: vs. Montana
Dec. 22: at San Diego State
Dec. 29: vs. UC Irvine
Jan. 30: vs. Kentucky
Kentucky:
NOVEMBER
2 (Mon) * OTTAWA [TBA] TBA
6 (Fri) * KENTUCKY STATE [TBA] TBA
13 (Fri) 1 ALBANY [TBA] TBA
14 (Sat) 1 NJIT [TBA] TBA
17 (Tues) 2 vs. Duke [ESPN] 7:30 p.m.
20 (Fri) WRIGHT STATE [TBA] TBA
24 (Tues) 1 BOSTON [TBA] TBA
27 (Fri) 3 vs. South Florida [ESPN] 5 p.m.
30 (Mon) ILLINOIS STATE [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
DECEMBER
3 (Thurs) at UCLA [ESPN] 9 p.m.
9 (Wed) EASTERN KENTUCKY [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
12 (Sat) ARIZONA STATE [ESPN] 3:15 p.m.
19 (Sat) 4 vs. Ohio State [CBS] 3:30 p.m.
26 (Sat) LOUISVILLE [CBS] Noon
JANUARY
30 at Kansas
Compare the two schedules - and while I will grant you the Maui Invitational (tourney this year includes Kansas, UCLA, IU, UNLV, Wake Forest, St Johns and Vanderbilt) there is no guarantee who you will play after your first game, and honestly - how strong a field do you think this is overall? But say the chips fall where they should, and KU plays UCLA and IU - and IU is probably going to drop in the rankings quickly given their off court problems - the only other teams you play OOC, really, are MSU and UK.
But for the Cats - Duke, UCLA, Ohio State and Louisville as well, of course, Kansas. You can draw your own conclusions as to OOC SOS.
Back to in-conference - well let's look at the last several years (go back 10 if you like): the Big 12 has been considered stronger right? Winning the Big 12 is much more difficult than winning the SEC - all the experts agree. So one would think that the Kansas should have more than 2 FF appearances in that time, yes? Granted, Kentucky only has four in that time frame - but for four of those years we had Tubby and BCG (a true trainwreck of an individual)
I will add one last thing - in the 10 year time frame I mentioned - the Big 12 has 2 FF appearance teams (Kansas in 2008 and 2012). The SEC has 8 (Kentucky in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015, Florida in 2006, 2007 and 2014. LSU in 2006)
Just some things to think about
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Another year with KU starting two sub 6'10 players in the post. You guys are short. Just like last year.
Kentucky will win Allen Fieldhouse.
KU will no answer for Skal or Murray and UK will be clicking on all cylinders by then.
KU will no answer for Skal or Murray and UK will be clicking on all cylinders by then.
not going to predict who wins or not. uk has the better players. doesnt mean they will play well. but uk has the better players
I agree.
Mason > Ulis (shorty too short- Mason is Fantastic)
Graham > (some new freshman I don't even remember his name, so he must not be very good)
Selden > Murray (by a pretty wide margin, considering Selden's superior experience, swiftness and bulk)
Ellis > Poythress (Ellis will be on several pre-season All-American teams this year, as usual)
Diallo > Skal (I don't care if everyone claims Skal will go top 2 in the draft- Diallo is just better)
Everyone on Kansas bench >>>>>>>>>> scrubs on UK bench
Just like last year, and every other year
Helms banners >> NCAA Championship banners
Thomas Robinson >>> Anthony Davis
Jeff Withey >>>> Demarcus Cousins
Hairpieces > Hair
When KU fans resort to pumping up their massively overrated conference, I just have to laugh. Every year the talking heads froth at the mouth at how stacked that conference is, when all the other B12 teams roll over and show their tummies each and ever year, and then do nothing in the post-season. Such a joke.
The fact that bothers me is that Kansas received two home games in a row in the conference challenge. They had Florida come to them last year and UK this year. So I guess this means we get two home games in a row after this season? No, in fact I would bet anything that we have to play on the road again next season. However I don't mind playing on the road.
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I don't see how we can be ranked above the tards,they have 8 NBA players on their roster.
Well that was certainly a very thorough lashing.
Time will tell. I admit your schedule is BRUTAL. It will certainly mature your young fellows fast.
Look forward to the challenge you will present in the fieldhouse.
Like I've said before, you'll likely win at the Phog, but on a neutral court in March I like UK's chances.
My thoughts are this:
Graham vs Ulis - Edge Ulis. (The homer in me says Graham, but objectively this goes Ulis's way.)
Mason vs Briscoe - advantage Mason (I'm just not sold on Briscoe)
Selden vs Murray - Push (this one will upset Kentucky fans because they are basing this match-up on future NBA potential versus actual college experience and maturity).
Ellis vs Poythress -Push (Ellis > offense, Poythress > defense)
Diallo vs Skal - slight edge Skal. Intangibles advantage Diallo. (This one will upset Kentucky fans because they are basing this match-up on future NBA potential.)
I would think that Svi and Greene have proven more than Matthews and Mulder, so advantage KU on depth on the perimeter.
Bragg and Mickelson are a push with Humphries and Lee. Bragg is more highly touted and Mickelson was top 30 coming out of high school which is similar to Humphries (a little better actually), plus a few years of college experience under his belt. I think Lee gets the same argument of experience over Bragg.
Kansas wins this one by 5 at home. Overtime on a neutral court.
Trout, I like you, I really do - you're always respectful and you do genuinely seem to love basketball. Since you like to compare both of our teams so much, let's look at it this way:
Both of our teams lead our conferences, ok good. Both of our teams have the most conference regular season championships. Fantastic. But really, that's only half the season, is it not?
Look at out of conference:
Kansas:
Nov. 4: vs. Pittsburg State (exhibition)
Nov. 10: vs. Emporia State (exhibition)
Nov. 13: vs. Northern Colorado
Nov. 17: vs. Michigan State at United Center in Chicago (Champions Classic)
Nov. 23: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 24: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Nov. 25: vs. TBD (Maui Invitational in Hawaii)
Dec. 1: vs. Loyola (Maryland)
Dec. 5: vs. Harvard
Dec. 9: vs. Holy Cross
Dec. 12: vs. Oregon State at the Sprint Center
Dec. 19: vs. Montana
Dec. 22: at San Diego State
Dec. 29: vs. UC Irvine
Jan. 30: vs. Kentucky
Kentucky:
NOVEMBER
2 (Mon) * OTTAWA [TBA] TBA
6 (Fri) * KENTUCKY STATE [TBA] TBA
13 (Fri) 1 ALBANY [TBA] TBA
14 (Sat) 1 NJIT [TBA] TBA
17 (Tues) 2 vs. Duke [ESPN] 7:30 p.m.
20 (Fri) WRIGHT STATE [TBA] TBA
24 (Tues) 1 BOSTON [TBA] TBA
27 (Fri) 3 vs. South Florida [ESPN] 5 p.m.
30 (Mon) ILLINOIS STATE [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
DECEMBER
3 (Thurs) at UCLA [ESPN] 9 p.m.
9 (Wed) EASTERN KENTUCKY [ESPN2] 7 p.m.
12 (Sat) ARIZONA STATE [ESPN] 3:15 p.m.
19 (Sat) 4 vs. Ohio State [CBS] 3:30 p.m.
26 (Sat) LOUISVILLE [CBS] Noon
JANUARY
30 at Kansas
Compare the two schedules - and while I will grant you the Maui Invitational (tourney this year includes Kansas, UCLA, IU, UNLV, Wake Forest, St Johns and Vanderbilt) there is no guarantee who you will play after your first game, and honestly - how strong a field do you think this is overall? But say the chips fall where they should, and KU plays UCLA and IU - and IU is probably going to drop in the rankings quickly given their off court problems - the only other teams you play OOC, really, are MSU and UK.
But for the Cats - Duke, UCLA, Ohio State and Louisville as well, of course, Kansas. You can draw your own conclusions as to OOC SOS.
Back to in-conference - well let's look at the last several years (go back 10 if you like): the Big 12 has been considered stronger right? Winning the Big 12 is much more difficult than winning the SEC - all the experts agree. So one would think that the Kansas should have more than 2 FF appearances in that time, yes? Granted, Kentucky only has four in that time frame - but for four of those years we had Tubby and BCG (a true trainwreck of an individual)
I will add one last thing - in the 10 year time frame I mentioned - the Big 12 has 2 FF appearance teams (Kansas in 2008 and 2012). The SEC has 8 (Kentucky in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015, Florida in 2006, 2007 and 2014. LSU in 2006)
Just some things to think about[/QUOTE]
You rock Bev.
how is skal a match up of future NBA potential but diallo isnt. did i miss something where diallo is this proven commodity?
ask anyone not associated with KU basketball....hands down by miles skal is better than diallo.
ask anyone not associated with KU basketball....hands down by miles skal is better than diallo.
Liked everything about this post and agree with all of it, except you're wrong about Skal.
Diallo is your typical freshman five star big with great measurables and defensive presence but bleeding raw offense.
Skal is, by all reports, ahead of where Karl or AD was offensively going into the year, and he has the (more commonly seen in freshmen) defensive game to pair with it.
Has nothing to do with NBA anything - that's your own projection. I'd never compare him to AD if I were resting this stuff on NBA projection.
Skal should be one of our top 2-3 players from day 1, and our best soon after that. With Nerlens, Willie, even Karl, inside people were saying "pump the brakes" on the expectations out the gate because they had the typical freshman big curve to adjust through. They haven't said that for a couple freshmen, though - Wall, Knight, Boogie, Davis were a few of them - Skal is another.
They will see how poor diallos offensive game is when there is actually d being played. His back to the basket game is booty.everyone got geeked over his asg scoring but that ain't the truth
Save it, bud. I didn't say he would be better than any of those guys at the end of the year. I'm just reporting what people are saying about where he's at now.
Every one of those players was one of the best in the country by the year's end. There's no projecting where he'll be at that point relative to them - all I stated was that he's not in the Nerlens/Willie/Diallo category of being an offensive project in the first half of the year and that he'll start out as one of the better players on the team.
You make it sound like I said he'll be Anthony or Demarcus.
And I am not one of those guys who ever drags a kid through the mud for not matching expectations. The next time you see me talk bad about one of our guys will be the first.
So again, save it.
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