Camby on Mike and Mike

[SemperFiCat]

Not a bad interview, and the Mikes weren't negative about Cal. Would've be great if either one had the sand to ask flat out, "Did Coach Cal have ANYTHING to do with UMass getting that FF taken away. Was there any wrong doing on his part?" Of course, we know the answer, but it would've been nice for the haters to hear it on national tv from the horses mouth.

 

[Cardsstink]

Rose and Camby allowing Cal to take a lifetime of hate makes me mad, but it is what it is.

 

[SemperFiCat]

Rose and Camby allowing Cal to take a lifetime of hate makes me mad, but it is what it is.

Maybe that gets addressed tonight on the 30 for 30. ...but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[BigBlueDiehard]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Camby has publicly accepted the sole responsibility for what happened at UMass on multiple occasions... even paid the school back for the tourney money they lost as part of the punishment.

Of course, that makes no difference to the haters. They just block any facts like that out if they don't fit their preconceived notion of Cal.

 

[Cardsstink]

Maybe that gets addressed tonight on the 30 for 30. ...but I wouldn't hold my breath.

It won't. Like somebody else said, it doesn't matter to the haters as they've made their mind up. I had a guy recently talking about UMASS, and I said "do you honestly think Cal told Camby to take money from an agent?" He just replied, "that doesn't matter, he paid Camby to come there as why would Camby go to Massachusetts if he wasn't paid?" I said "you are passionate about something you can't prove, do you always get passionate about things you can't prove as thats pretty reckless?" He got mad.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Camby has shouldered the blame a couple times publicly for the agent fiasco.

Rose continues to pretend as if he still hasn't checked his mail from the SAT folks. What a weird dude.

 

[SemperFiCat]

It won't. Like somebody else said, it doesn't matter to the haters as they've made their mind up. I had a guy recently talking about UMASS, and I said "do you honestly think Cal told Camby to take money from an agent?" He just replied, "that doesn't matter, he paid Camby to come there as why would Camby go to Massachusetts if he wasn't paid?" I said "you are passionate about something you can't prove, do you always get passionate about things you can't prove as thats prett'y reckless?" He got mad.

Try living in Indiana and explaining the simple facts of UMass and Memphis to Hoosier fans. John Calipari could say water is wet and we breath air and they'd challenge it as a lie as if their very existence depended on it.

 

[Cardsstink]

Try living in Indiana and explaining the simple facts of UMass and Memphis to Hoosier fans. John Calipari could say water is wet and we breath air and they'd challenge it as a lie as if their very existence depended on it.

I have a rule after that last conversation with that guy that I only discuss UK basketball with UK fans. I told a guy I play golf with that when he tried to poke fun at us losing to UNC and that made him mad as well.

 

[SemperFiCat]

Rose continues to pretend as if he still hasn't checked his mail from the SAT folks. What a weird dude.

Yet Cal still has his back. Pretty telling as to who has more class and integrity.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Yet Cal still has his back. Pretty telling as to who has more class and integrity.

I think Cal values loyalty more than any other trait. He's almost obsessive about it. I think the fact that Rose has just stayed quiet keeps the situation neutral. It's not as if he publicly blamed Cal or anyone, he just refuses to face the incident at all.

Can't imagine the tumble that guy has taken. Top pick to your home city, ROY, MVP, Conference Finals, all by like age 22--you have to be thinking you're set for life. Then injuries, trades, court cases, public scorn, just a rough fall.

 

[Cardsstink]

I think Cal values loyalty more than any other trait. He's almost obsessive about it. I think the fact that Rose has just stayed quiet keeps the situation neutral. It's not as if he publicly blamed Cal or anyone, he just refuses to face the incident at all.

Can't imagine the tumble that guy has taken. Top pick to your home city, ROY, MVP, Conference Finals, all by like age 22--you have to be thinking you're set for life. Then injuries, trades, court cases, public scorn, just a rough fall.

Seem's he's reaped what he's sewed.

 

[NCukcat62]

Try living in Indiana and explaining the simple facts of UMass and Memphis to Hoosier fans. John Calipari could say water is wet and we breath air and they'd challenge it as a lie as if their very existence depended on it.

All you have to throw that cheating, lard, POS kelvin Sampson in their face and they'll shut up.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

Rose's SAT being taken in Michigan is super weird. But this was before he even committed to Memphis and I believe he was admitted to the university on his ACT score , right?

Camby has been a man about it. He even reimbursed the university for the money they had to give back from making the Final Four.

One myth that gets repeated on here is that Cal turned him into the NCAA. That's not true at all. In his book, Bounce Back, he says he found out about it after they ran a piece in the Hartford newspaper. He did cooperate with the NCAA and carried around that letter with him that said he had nothing to do with that.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

Try living in Indiana and explaining the simple facts of UMass and Memphis to Hoosier fans. John Calipari could say water is wet and we breath air and they'd challenge it as a lie as if their very existence depended on it.

Sounds like the irrational take that people get when discussing politics and religion.

 

[SemperFiCat]

All you have to throw that cheating, lard, POS kelvin Sampson in their face and they'll shut up.

Ha. They acknowledge Sampson ever working there about as well as acknowledging Bobby Knight was actually fired. This is NO joke, I've literally met IU fans that didnt know Knight was fired. They thought he voluntarily left. I'm not making that up.

 

[NCukcat62]

Ha. They acknowledge Sampson ever working there about as well as acknowledging Bobby Knight was actually fired. This is NO joke, I've literally met IU fans that didnt know Knight was fired. They thought he voluntarily left. I'm not making that up.

That sums up Indiana fans in a paragraph. They are parasites.

 

[bthaunert]

Camby has shouldered the blame a couple times publicly for the agent fiasco.

Rose continues to pretend as if he still hasn't checked his mail from the SAT folks. What a weird dude.

The Rose situation has always been one that gets to me. Man up like Camby, admit your faults and move on. Just pisses me off.

 

[GonzoCat90]

The Rose situation has always been one that gets to me. Man up like Camby, admit your faults and move on. Just pisses me off.

Culturally, he did grow up in the leading city for America's National No Snitchin' Policy.

 

[BigBlueDiehard]

It won't. Like somebody else said, it doesn't matter to the haters as they've made their mind up. I had a guy recently talking about UMASS, and I said "do you honestly think Cal told Camby to take money from an agent?" He just replied, "that doesn't matter, he paid Camby to come there as why would Camby go to Massachusetts if he wasn't paid?" I said "you are passionate about something you can't prove, do you always get passionate about things you can't prove as thats pretty reckless?" He got mad.

The NCAA actually described Cal as a victim in the Camby case and that guy clearly doesn't know the background on Camby's recruitment (SURPRISE!!!).

Camby was a borderline Top 40 recruit from Hartford that didn't even play his Sophomore and Junior years of high school. He chose UMass over UConn, Providence, and James Madison. He ultimately picked UMass over UConn (where he grew up wanting to go because the campus was 25 minutes from his house) because UMass outworked them, starting his recruitment when he was a 9th grader while UConn only expressed real interest very late in the process.

http://articles.courant.com/1993-04-15/sports/0000103333_1_marcus-camby-jim-calhoun-uconn

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

The Rose situation has always been one that gets to me. Man up like Camby, admit your faults and move on. Just pisses me off.

He has nothing to gain now. Memphis isn't getting that banner back. It's too late.

BTW, it's funny that Kansas keeps their banner despite the Darryl Arthur stuff but Memphis has to vacate.

It's amazing that different schools have different rules. Duke keeps their 1999 banner despite Maggette, keeps the 2010 banner despite Lance Thomas and UNC hangs three fraud banners despite their violations.

 

[NCukcat62]

The Rose situation has always been one that gets to me. Man up like Camby, admit your faults and move on. Just pisses me off.

Dude has a lot of issues not to mention he is made of glass. Too soon?

 

[NCukcat62]

He has nothing to gain now. Memphis isn't getting that banner back. It's too late.

BTW, it's funny that Kansas keeps their banner despite the Darryl Arthur stuff but Memphis has to vacate.

It's amazing that different schools have different rules. Duke keeps their 1999 banner despite Maggette, keeps the 2010 banner despite Lance Thomas and UNC hangs Bree fraud banners despite their violations.

It's not about getting anything back for the school. It's about sticking up for your coach who stuck up for you!

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

It's not about getting anything back for the school. It's about sticking up for your coach who stuck up for you!

But he wasn't accused of anything. It's simply rival fans and morons who spread rumors.

 

[NCukcat62]

But he wasn't accused of anything. It's simply rival fans and morons who spread rumors.

I know I know. But still defend your coach. Come to think of it, I wonder if any of his former Memphis players come around here besides tyreke Evans.

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

It's not about getting anything back for the school. It's about sticking up for your coach who stuck up for you!

And there's your problem. People only do things these days if they themselves get some sort of reward out it. Getting more Money, PR, fans, connections, etc is what drives people's every move these days.

It's funny that giving back to the school didn't even cross that poster's mind. It's a sad day we live in.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Camby has shouldered the blame a couple times publicly for the agent fiasco.

Rose continues to pretend as if he still hasn't checked his mail from the SAT folks. What a weird dude.

I've always believed that Rose cheated on his SAT. They didn't prove it, and that's an important point, but I think it's a pretty safe bet he didn't improve his score that much.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

And there's your problem. People only do things these days if they themselves get some sort of reward out it. Getting more Money, PR, fans, connections, etc is what drives people's every move these days.

It's funny that giving back to the school didn't even cross that poster's mind. It's a sad day we live in.

Oh, it's reflective of me by trying to give insight into how Rose would view it and how he is not driven to do it cause he doesn't gain anything by it?

Get real.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

I've always believed that Rose cheated on his SAT. They didn't prove it, and that's an important point, but I think it's a pretty safe bet he didn't improve his score that much.

I think it's safe to say that it's highly suspicious to go to another state to take an SAT. How many of you would drive from Kentucky to Michigan to take it? None.

 

[Chuckinden]

That sums up Indiana fans in a paragraph. They are parasites.

They hate us cause they ain't us.

 

[seccats04]

The Camby situation is what makes me nervous that it will eventually happen to us. Dealing with all these players that pretty much only come here to exploit the school to get to the NBA as fast as possible means it's only a matter of time before one of our guys does something similar. I mean they're only here for 9 months anyway so if they get the school in trouble there is no skin off their back because they will be off making millions before they ever get punished.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Rose didn't cheat on his SAT because Rose didn't take his SAT. There's zero doubt in my mind about that. That's never been the point of contention.

 

[GonzoCat90]

The Camby situation is what makes me nervous that it will eventually happen to us. Dealing with all these players that pretty much only come here to exploit the school to get to the NBA as fast as possible means it's only a matter of time before one of our guys does something similar. I mean they're only here for 9 months anyway so if they get the school in trouble there is no skin off their back because they will be off making millions before they ever get punished.

So you think a kid who knows he's going to be a millionaire in a couple more months is going to be fronted money from an agent and ruin his reputation?

If anything, the players not staying 3-4 years makes that kind of thing less likely. The payday is in sight, not years down the line.

 

[SemperFiCat]

The Camby situation is what makes me nervous that it will eventually happen to us. Dealing with all these players that pretty much only come here to exploit the school to get to the NBA as fast as possible means it's only a matter of time before one of our guys does something similar. I mean they're only here for 9 months anyway so if they get the school in trouble there is no skin off their back because they will be off making millions before they ever get punished.

I feel the same way. 15 years from now, Tipton will finally score a BS lead about a player getting an inappropriate $25 gift card to Amazon, and he'll go on a witch hunt to try to burn the whole thing down.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

The Camby situation is what makes me nervous that it will eventually happen to us. Dealing with all these players that pretty much only come here to exploit the school to get to the NBA as fast as possible means it's only a matter of time before one of our guys does something similar. I mean they're only here for 9 months anyway so if they get the school in trouble there is no skin off their back because they will be off making millions before they ever get punished.

Well, it's pretty stupid to take money considering theyre only in school from August to April and can take money as soon as the season ends. It's unlike the Camby situation where he was at UMass for three years and entering his last year,a lawyer gave him gifts to promise to sign with him after the season and Camby went back on this and that's how it was exposed.

It's a different environment now. A lot more go between and mentoring type things.

Besides, if it does happen, tell the NCAA to eff off and go to Chapel Hill and Durham first.

 

[qwesley]

He was also on the morning SC (I think, was not paying too much attention to which show it was) and went to great lengths to say Cal had nothing to do with anything and how sorry he was that he got drug into it.

 

[seccats04]

So you think a kid who knows he's going to be a millionaire in a couple more months is going to be fronted money from an agent and ruin his reputation?

If anything, the players not staying 3-4 years makes that kind of thing less likely. The payday is in sight, not years down the line.

That makes sense but like I said there are no consequences for the kid if he does it. He will bounce to the NBA and makes boo koos of money.

 

[KMKAT]

The NCAA actually described Cal as a victim in the Camby case and that guy clearly doesn't know the background on Camby's recruitment (SURPRISE!!!).

Camby was a borderline Top 40 recruit from Hartford that didn't even play his Sophomore and Junior years of high school. He chose UMass over UConn, Providence, and James Madison. He ultimately picked UMass over UConn (where he grew up wanting to go because the campus was 25 minutes from his house) because UMass outworked them, starting his recruitment when he was a 9th grader while UConn only expressed real interest very late in the process.

http://articles.courant.com/1993-04-15/sports/0000103333_1_marcus-camby-jim-calhoun-uconn[/QUOTE

Is this the main crutch as to why Calhoun and Cal dislike each other so much?

 

[YouKay]

In Sandy Bell We Trust.

UK players get drilled on this stuff now. They know not to even take a phone call from an agent until the season is over. Their transcripts and test scores are gone over with a fine toothed comb before they are enrolled. And then gone over again. They go to class and are monitored for that. They have to complete the full year of school or it messes up UK's APR.

 

[TheBlueDisciple]

Rose's SAT being taken in Michigan is super weird. But this was before he even committed to Memphis and I believe he was admitted to the university on his ACT score , right?

No, pretty much the complete opposite. He had already committed to Memphis. He had failed to qualify with his ACT score on three separate tries back in Chicago. He then later ends up "taking it" in Michigan somehow and is magically smarter.

Bottom line is the dude cheated, and he's an idiot...which is why he needed to cheat to get into college in the first place.

 

[GonzoCat90]

That makes sense but like I said there are no consequences for the kid if he does it. He will bounce to the NBA and makes boo koos of money.

There are no consequences ever. There weren't consequences in the 70s or 80s. At least now there's constant public scorn and internet criticism hanging over them.

The idea that One and Done kids are more likely to accept impermissible benefits is just flawed, no matter how worried about it fans who want these kids to forego millions are.

If you really break it down, you can see the flaw in the logic behind making a kid wait to be a millionaire and thinking the alternative to that somehow increases the chance that he'll accept cash before he should.