Cam Johnson
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OP is a Louisville fan. The two situations aren't remotely similar anyway.
I think Cam Johnson is different and that he can play for 2 years not just 1 year. This is similar to Mulder having 2 years. Plus, Cam is a 6'8 sg that averaged double digits in scoring and hits 41% from 3 point. You don't find to many 6'8 shooting guards hitting 41% from 3 point and he played in the ACC last year. His big game last year was against North Carolina as he wet 9/12 shooting and 6/9 from 3 point land. He reminds me of Jackson from Kansas the freshman that was 6'8 and heading to the NBA. I believe Johnson can be a star here at UK as I think that Green, Diallo, and Johnson would be an awesome 3 guard lineup next year.
Agreed 100% dave5164. People don't realize how great of a player Johnson is. 6'8" SF, 12ppg, 42% from 3, 4.5 rpg, 82% FT shooter, and Pittsburgh's best DEF player according to Stallings comments last season.
Starting him with Green and Diallo makes our backcourt one if the top few in the country to go along with our unbelievable backcourt.
In my completely worthless opinion as always.
Starting him with Green and Diallo makes our backcourt one if the top few in the country to go along with our unbelievable backcourt.
In my completely worthless opinion as always.
Green, Diallo, and Johnson backed up by Shai, Baker, and Vanderbilt gives us one of the top few backcourts in college basketball, if not the best...
In my completely worthless opinion as always
In my completely worthless opinion as always
True. And although a coach would never admit it, as it's probably an NCAA violation (contacting them in any way would be), there are always rumors that probably swirl about these kids and certain schools/coaches are tracking these rumors and waiting to pounce.
Vanderbilt is probably not going to be a back-up for anyone
In my opinion, yes. Just because a college plays in the P5 they are not automatically a major school/team. Some may classify colleges that way, but I don't. Conference affiliation should not be the major factor.
Where do you place Gonzaga. Wichita St. Xavier. Teams that have had 10 or more years of recent success. Compare those teams to P5 programs that have never had success, Ole Miss, Virginia Tech, Kansas St, Cal, Penn St.
So I do think of Pitt as a mid-major in a major conference. Cinci has a better program.
Careful getting too close to my opinion, You will be labeled a troll and Louisville fan soon.
It is not outrage, it is a question. Apparently it stirred up a hornets nest.
Anyone else remember the number of posts on here the past few years about other programs taking grad transfers and making fun of them. Dakitch would take an entire half of a game and talk about how wrong it is. Now his own son is going to become a grad transfer.
I guess the bottom line is make fun of it/put it down when others do it, but justify it when it benefits you.
Define mid-major.
Like I said, I do not think a program is a major program simply because they in a P5 conference. Nor do I think a program is excluded from being a major if they are not in a P5.
Not only are you a troll, you are also an idiot.
Basic math says that the only conclusion is that you are a UofL fan.
Noooooooooooooooo.
What Cal objected to was the process, the rule, that allows graduate transfers to not have to sit out a year making it more encouraging for them to transfer, AND that some coaches/schools would go in and "recruit" (hey, let Leon know that if he were to graduate and transfer then State-U would be interested) such players before they have decided to leave the school, ESPECIALLY the situations where good players from mid-majors would leave to go to major conference schools (the Bruiser example fits here).
1) Cal has also stated how much he hates the NBA-rule that allows and encourages the OAD. But he clearly has adopted that, and recruits those players. Why? Because it is in their (the players) current best interest, and it helps him to get the best players. You can be against that something is allowed, and not be a hypocrite for taking advantage that it is allowed. What you shouldn't do is say you are against the rule, and then do things to encourage the rule to continue.
2) Cam has already said, I'm outta here (Pitt). Cal did not encourage him to leave.
3) PITT is NOT a mid-major, they are an ACC school, so the "little guy" is not losing a player, this alone make this very different from the Bruiser scenario.
4) Cam is transferring from a school with a new coach. He gave Stallings one-year, and apparently Stallings wasn't for him. Stallings did not recruit Cam to PITT.
Good answer. We agree on everything except Pitt being a major program.
Pitt has been to 1 FF, in 1941. I simply cannot make a claim that they are a major player just because they are in the ACC.
How did it cost Bruiser his job? I assume you mean bruiser flint? If not then nevermind. I just want to learn more about that guy.
Doesn't matter how much they suck Einstein. They are in the ACC. They were in the Big East before that. The only way they can be considered mid-major is by someone who has an agenda. You.
I have only watched game video of Johnson, but he didn't look "very" athletic to me. I mean, he looked fine - and I thought he did a good job getting his shot off. But I have read here statements that Johnson is a great defender and now your statement that he is very athletic. When I read that I start thinking, then why isn't he high on the NBA draft boards?
Anyway, I don't want to knock him. What I would really like is for posters who have seen him more than I have to tell us more about his defense, rebounding and athleticism- e.g., is he really a good defender (I don't need great) with average to above-average Div. I athleticism.
Ignores all the posts that state valid reasons and differences between the two situations but replies to the one that will continue his narrative.
Troll
Johnson is not the type of athlete that makes NBA scouts drool. He is too slow to play the 2 and not big enough to play the 3 from the NBA's standpoint. A "tweener" as scouts call it.
Calipari is pitching him on changing that perspective and teaching him the quickness needed to be a legitimate NBA 2.
Stallings FREQUENTLY had Cam guarding the other teams best 3 or 4 and he led the team In steals. He is not prone to making flashy plays which helps keep him turnover prone.
I am HORRIBLE at making comparisons, but I would say Cam is a Derek Willis type that plays better DEF and is faster on his feet.
No matter your comparison, Cam will start at the 3 along with Green and Diallo from the 1st game. I've seen people claim he will be no more than a backup to Vanderbilt at the 3. I'd take that bet any day of the week.
I'm not saying Vanderbilt isn't a tremendous athlete or that seeing a Green, Diallo, Cam, Vanderbilt, Bam/Bamba lineup is impossible, but the 3 spot in the starting lineup is Cam's from day 1. Cal will love his shooting, experience, and DEF too much to keep him on the bench.
Cam Johnson - 6'8", 12ppg, 4.5rpg, 42% from 3, 82% from FT, 1 spg, and would have been the ACC's highest returning scoring at Pittsburgh this year had he returned. He is no Eloy Vargas, Julius Mays, or Mulder. Johnson will play 30 mpg and make a HUGE difference in whether we win #9 or not next season.
Now we just need Bamba to commit or Bam to return. If either of those happen along with Cam joining, this may be my favorite UK team to follow since Cal came. So much depth up and down the roster. No weaknesses except experience. And finally, a GLUT of "positionless" players that can play at 3-4 positions on the court.
I couldn't be more excited for next year. Adding Cam and either Bamba or Bam makes this team a 2012/2015 type of team that should absolutely murder teams on its way to the F4 and quite possibly beyond.
In what will be a "down year" in CBB, UK will certainly have an UP YEAR and than some...
Calipari is pitching him on changing that perspective and teaching him the quickness needed to be a legitimate NBA 2.
Stallings FREQUENTLY had Cam guarding the other teams best 3 or 4 and he led the team In steals. He is not prone to making flashy plays which helps keep him turnover prone.
I am HORRIBLE at making comparisons, but I would say Cam is a Derek Willis type that plays better DEF and is faster on his feet.
No matter your comparison, Cam will start at the 3 along with Green and Diallo from the 1st game. I've seen people claim he will be no more than a backup to Vanderbilt at the 3. I'd take that bet any day of the week.
I'm not saying Vanderbilt isn't a tremendous athlete or that seeing a Green, Diallo, Cam, Vanderbilt, Bam/Bamba lineup is impossible, but the 3 spot in the starting lineup is Cam's from day 1. Cal will love his shooting, experience, and DEF too much to keep him on the bench.
Cam Johnson - 6'8", 12ppg, 4.5rpg, 42% from 3, 82% from FT, 1 spg, and would have been the ACC's highest returning scoring at Pittsburgh this year had he returned. He is no Eloy Vargas, Julius Mays, or Mulder. Johnson will play 30 mpg and make a HUGE difference in whether we win #9 or not next season.
Now we just need Bamba to commit or Bam to return. If either of those happen along with Cam joining, this may be my favorite UK team to follow since Cal came. So much depth up and down the roster. No weaknesses except experience. And finally, a GLUT of "positionless" players that can play at 3-4 positions on the court.
I couldn't be more excited for next year. Adding Cam and either Bamba or Bam makes this team a 2012/2015 type of team that should absolutely murder teams on its way to the F4 and quite possibly beyond.
In what will be a "down year" in CBB, UK will certainly have an UP YEAR and than some...
I don't think Cal has any love lost for Stallings.
It's OK to take an occasional Pitino-style OAD, Leon the Troll.
It's OK to take an occasional Pitino-style OAD, Leon the Troll.
Why you keep worrying about Johnson? Anybody would want him. Why should some of the rogue schools take advantage of a need yet we can't? Things change what's the big deal? Obviously this guy would only up our chances of winning it all.
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