Cam Johnson

[LeonThe Camel]

Anyone else confused about his recruitment. A couple of years back Cal made a stink about graduate transfers, namely Louisville taking a player that cost Bruiser his job.

If we sign Johnson, isn't that the same thing.

 

[bobby elvis]

Yep pretty much.

 

[madison1329]

Who cares?

 

[tmuck]

Don't feed the UL troll.

 

[WildMoon]

Cal hates it
Cal hates OAD, but he thrive with it...

Cal wants to win.
Laugh at Stallings

afterwards, he'll say he hates Graduate Transfer.

Then Cal will say

"You'll hate me"

 

[track42]

He was talking about low level schools losing their players.How does that fit with an ACC school where the kid is playing under a coach de didn't sign under.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

who cares is right - but here are the arguments for:

Hates one and done (supposedly) but uses it to the max
Johnson has multiple years left
Johnson is from a P5 school

 

[bookerfan66]

Leon the troll is still trying.......

 

[ukfan2410]

Troll

 

[bnewt]

completely different.........the kid is transferring because he probably doesn't like stallings & doesn't want to get thumped every game next year
+ he has 2 years left

 

[shidler]

If you really consider it, it's not the same at all.

 

[ukmelanie]

You are in another thread bashing Cal over hiring a player's dad.Strange a UK fan who just wants to keep bashing the coach.

 

[tmuck]

He's been pretending to be a UK fan for about a year now. I sniffed him out within his first 5 posts.

 

[Mike-D]

Who cares?

 

[gossie21]

I'm so glad this has finally been discussed for the first time ever. Thanks OP.

 

[Kybluedude]

Anyone else confused about his recruitment. A couple of years back Cal made a stink about graduate transfers, namely Louisville taking a player that cost Bruiser his job.

If we sign Johnson, isn't that the same thing.

We? Not hardly we. And no it's not the same at all. Cal was talking about UL poaching.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

We? Not hardly we. And no it's not the same at all. Cal was talking about UL poaching.

So he was saying it is not acceptable when Louisville does it, but it is ok for us.

 

[track42]

So he was saying it is not acceptable when Louisville does it, but it is ok for us.

GTFO you Louisville troll.

 

[JFCats22]

So he was saying it is not acceptable when Louisville does it, but it is ok for us.

By "us" I assume you mean UL?

 

[CELTICAT]

The most obvious difference is Pittsburgh is not a low major and Johnson signed with Dixon, not Stallings. Rather than bail last summer and be forced to sit out another year (remember he redshirted his true freshman year), he stuck around and carved out productive playing time.

So with that in mind, I think this circumstance is different from what happened with Bruiser Flint and Louisville.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

You are in another thread bashing Cal over hiring a player's dad.Strange a UK fan who just wants to keep bashing the coach.

Or maybe it is just asking questions that are spoken about by both sides.
I will always call people out when they bash another group for doing the exact same thing we are doing. It is called taking of the blinders.
Mention the fact that another poster bashed Kansas for hiring a players parent. The fact is Cal does it also. Fans cannot look the other way and claim it to be wrong, then become fully supportive if it benefits us.
It is called being hypocritical.

 

[JFCats22]

Or maybe it is just asking questions that are spoken about by both sides.
I will always call people out when they bash another group for doing the exact same thing we are doing. It is called taking of the blinders.
Mention the fact that another poster bashed Kansas for hiring a players parent. The fact is Cal does it also. Fans cannot look the other way and claim it to be wrong, then become fully supportive if it benefits us.
It is called being hypocritical.

Hypocritical = acting like you are a UK fan when you are clearly a UL fan

 

[Bluemoon725]

 

[Brando Mac]

I'd rather take a grad transfer than run a Whores 4 Ballers player recruitment program like your program does.

Cal probably looks at what UNC and your team UofL have gotten away with, and thinks "You know what, grad transfers don't seem that now compared to what some teams are getting away with."

 

[Deli owl]

Or maybe it is just asking questions that are spoken about by both sides.
I will always call people out when they bash another group for doing the exact same thing we are doing. It is called taking of the blinders.
Mention the fact that another poster bashed Kansas for hiring a players parent. The fact is Cal does it also. Fans cannot look the other way and claim it to be wrong, then become fully supportive if it benefits us.
It is called being hypocritical.

Or.......you don't agree with it but use it because it's in the rules. Might even try to end the practice but until then, it's in the rules. ul sux and you fans are sooo stupid.

 

[KA4Prez]

I think any coach who started at the bottom, coached at a mid-major and built them up, will hate the rule, even if it benefits them now.

Essentially, "big school" does not recruit a player, he goes to a small school, they put 2-3 years into him and develop him into an elite player, and then he transfers with often times, little notice, to a big school, where he becomes an immediate contributor.

It's really unfair from a coaching standpoint, but it's also a rule that greatly incentivizes players to focus on graduating and benefits a student-athlete, which it's hard to argue against.

Look at Gary Waters at Cleveland State. Look at the list of players he lost. Something like what, 5 graduate transfers in a 3-year span? Not only are you losing good players, but these are often team captains and all-conference players.

 

[KA4Prez]

Even worse, some of these graduate transfers wait until July or August to leave. It really does screw a school because they don't even have time to fill that scholarship.

 

[Cantwaitfor8]

I think grad transfer is fine. It rewards a guy for putting in work in the classroom. Cal doesn't like it because of "tampering" with mid major talent by the high major programs. That's simply not the case with Cam. He was at a high level program, went through a coaching change and got it done in the classroom. I fail to see the outrage Leon... sign him up and let's win some ball games!

 

[Lovebaskelball]

completely different.........the kid is transferring because he probably doesn't like stallings & doesn't want to get thumped every game next year
+ he has 2 years left

It's always different.

 

[lkc1234]

Anyone else confused about his recruitment. A couple of years back Cal made a stink about graduate transfers, namely Louisville taking a player that cost Bruiser his job.

If we sign Johnson, isn't that the same thing.

Not the same. Johnson has two years of eligibility left as a graduate transfer and he is coming from a major university. Cal was talking about grad transfers from mid majors with one year of eligibility left and the position it puts the mid major in when major schools never recruited the player to start with.

 

[the stat man]

YAWN , oh wait another negative post by Leon zzzzzzzzzz

 

[shakestheclown564]

He was talking about mid majors constantly losing their best players to "graduation". But you already knew that.

If only we had a coach that was as consistent in his words and actions as Rick Pitino though...

 

[Cowtown Cat]

@LeonThe Camel Ask yourself this question: Is Pitt a mid major? Nope. Simple.

 

[caneintally]

LMAO at the OP . Cal will take grad transfers like he has done in the past as he might not like it but he will always do what is best for the team .

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Anyone else confused about his recruitment. A couple of years back Cal made a stink about graduate transfers, namely Louisville taking a player that cost Bruiser his job.

If we sign Johnson, isn't that the same thing.

He talked about it as early as a few weeks ago actually, during the tournament.

His complaint is more how mid majors get screwed but I imagine he doesn't have a problem screwing Stallings.


For what it's worth, he's always said he doesn't like the OAD rule either but has that stopped him from recruiting OADs?

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Personally, I think it's pretty hypocritical of Cal to take this stance. I don't disagree with Cal often but I do here. Coaches can leave and do leave for other jobs when they get a better offer, so why shouldn't the player be able to up grade once they've built their resume as well. Doesn't make sense why someone would dislike this rule, especially a coach who is as player minded as Cal.

 

[KA4Prez]

I will say, there is a difference in a grad transfer who leaves a mid-major school after 3 years versus a guy from an ACC school who wants to transfer. Sounds like Cam wanted to transfer and it just happens that because he redshirted, he's got 2 years left. If he wasn't eligible immediately, it sounds like he probably would've done 1 more year at Pittsburgh.

Also, unlike other situations, the player was NOT recruited by the current coach. That's another factor to think about here. Stallings did not recruit Johnson, unlike a grad transfer who is recruited and developed by a coach, only to bolt on him as a Senior.

 

[Blueaz]

Personally, I think it's pretty hypocritical of Cal to take this stance. I don't disagree with Cal often but I do here. Coaches can leave and do leave for other jobs when they get a better offer, so why shouldn't the player be able to up grade once they've built their resume as well. Doesn't make sense why someone would dislike this rule, especially a coach who is as player minded as Cal.

I will say, there is a difference in a grad transfer who leaves a mid-major school after 3 years versus a guy from an ACC school who wants to transfer. Sounds like Cam wanted to transfer and it just happens that because he redshirted, he's got 2 years left. If he wasn't eligible immediately, it sounds like he probably would've done 1 more year at Pittsburgh.

Also, unlike other situations, the player was NOT recruited by the current coach. That's another factor to think about here. Stallings did not recruit Johnson, unlike a grad transfer who is recruited and developed by a coach, only to bolt on him as a Senior.

that was easy,,,

 

[JohnnyGentle]

johnson wasn't recruited by stallings and is part of a mass exodus

the drexel kid was the best player in the program, and bailed on his teammates for greener pastures

 

[Aike]

What Cal seems to have the most problem with is coaches keeping a recruiting board of Grad Transfer targets during the season.