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Calipari or Krzyzewski?

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Currently the most polarizing topic surrounding the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball team is whether or not Calipari was "right" in allowing Diallo to join the team under the premise that he could possibly go to the NBA without never having played a regular season game wearing the Blue and White.

With that said, do you agree more with Calipari's decision to not play Diallo or Krzyzewski's decision to play Harry Giles during the 2016-17 season? I'm all for Team Calipari on this one and have included a link to DraftExpress' most recent draft projections to support my stance. Diallo has currently moved up to 31, while Giles is down to 27. While I want number 9 as much as any other member of the BBN, I'm glad we have a coach that refrained from committing the selfish act of playing a player who clearly wasn't ready to play at the collegiate level in hopes of winning at all costs. In short, in my mind Cal chose a teenager's future over the possibility of adding another W in the win column, while K sadly took the path more traveled when it comes to coaches in the NCAA.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

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While we all continue to be upset how the biggest academic scandal at UNC is ignored, (and I know it isn't the same as there was no fake classes) but Diallo coming here on an athletic scholarship so he can practice with a team for a semester makes me wonder if he ever went to classes and at present is he still at UK or off at some type of NBA combine. Where exactly is the academic part for him?
OK defend away as no one is going to like this thought. I just feel this whole thing was shameful if it turns out he doesn't come back.
 
I had no problem not playing Diallo. If the rules are followed, that's where the conversation should start.

Cal is the deciding factor, so why question that if he feels he has the advantage in getting someone to come in early with a huge potential to be even more ready next year.

We'll know soon enough so the roster can begin to take shape.
 
Again KMKAT, if Diallo returns then it would be an entirely different conversation and no problem with Diallo. The point I was making was based upon the idea that he doesn't return.
 
While we all continue to be upset how the biggest academic scandal at UNC is ignored, (and I know it isn't the same as there was no fake classes) but Diallo coming here on an athletic scholarship so he can practice with a team for a semester makes me wonder if he ever went to classes and at present is he still at UK or off at some type of NBA combine. Where exactly is the academic part for him?
OK defend away as no one is going to like this thought. I just feel this whole thing was shameful if it turns out he doesn't come back.
Agree.
 
i have seen several threads talking about diallo and the one question people don't seem to be asking is: were his grades good enough to even play? if he stays in the draft one has to wonder if it has more to do with him not being able to pull the grades needed to stay eligible?
 
Again KMKAT, if Diallo returns then it would be an entirely different conversation and no problem with Diallo. The point I was making was based upon the idea that he doesn't return.

But why? We're not dealing with student athletes, that's a farce, and he didn't cost UK anything. And if Cal doesn't have a problem with it, why should you?
 
That is a good question OP.

I would lean toward Calipari. The reason is that Diallo practicing with the team could only help the team this past year. The only harm is in recruiting a 2G for next year. But I think the best ones were mostly gone by the time Diallo committed to us.

Whereas K may have harmed Giles future earnings, while he really didn't help Duke this past year either.
 
Currently the most polarizing topic surrounding the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball team is whether or not Calipari was "right" in allowing Diallo to join the team under the premise that he could possibly go to the NBA without never having played a regular season game wearing the Blue and White.
If a player is healthy and able to play, then you play him. Don't fault either.
The big difference is the reasoning. Giles was considered healthy. His "job" was to play basketball and help Duke win games.
No one is guaranteed a draft spot so you have to go out and earn it. Giles did not perform as well due to his previous injuries. But what if he would have been amazing and led Duke to the championship. No one would be second-guessing it.
Diallo on the other hand, did not play. Could have been for many reasons including not ready after sitting out the first semester, not knowing the plays, not disrupting chemistry, not taking time from Briscoe or Monk, not wanting to play less minutes and not put up big numbers. Who knows, it was his choice.
Everyone know this was a possibility, Diallo going pro. As a few of you like to remind me, I had Diallo as the starting SF this year.
 
While we all continue to be upset how the biggest academic scandal at UNC is ignored, (and I know it isn't the same as there was no fake classes) but Diallo coming here on an athletic scholarship so he can practice with a team for a semester makes me wonder if he ever went to classes and at present is he still at UK or off at some type of NBA combine. Where exactly is the academic part for him?
OK defend away as no one is going to like this thought. I just feel this whole thing was shameful if it turns out he doesn't come back.
Agree,we will probably never know the answer to the question but if grades/class attendance are issues with Diallo it makes the situation that much worse.Other questions might include was that part of the deal Cal made with Diallo? Will there be an effect on our team GPA? (I don't think the spring matters much in the era of OAD)

Helping an athletically gifted kid reach his dreams of making a few million bucks is a great thing(the kid would have done that anyway most likely)maybe Cal can hold tryouts at a homeless shelter and give the best one or two players a scholarship so they will have a warm place to stay during the winter
 
Agree,we will probably never know the answer to the question but if grades/class attendance are issues with Diallo it makes the situation that much worse.Other questions might include was that part of the deal Cal made with Diallo? Will there be an effect on our team GPA? (I don't think the spring matters much in the era of OAD)

Helping an athletically gifted kid reach his dreams of making a few million bucks is a great thing(the kid would have done that anyway most likely)maybe Cal can hold tryouts at a homeless shelter and give the best one or two players a scholarship so they will have a warm place to stay during the winter

The Spring semester DOES matter, in terms of the team's APR; see Daniel Orton.
 
The Spring semester DOES matter, in terms of the team's APR; see Daniel Orton.
I sincerely hope there are no issues of that kind involved in the Diallo case and that he opts to return making all the conjecture moot.Since we have been down that road before(now I remember the Orton case) I would think Cal did as much as he could to make sure that didn't happen again but there is only so much he could do,the rest depends on the kid.
 
I hope that Diallo did not attend UK just to practice with the team, without basically not attending any classes. If this was the case, which I hope was not, then the University should take a close look at it.
Coach Cal is not here to represent the NBA, but to represent the University of Kentucky in basketball. A player can go to a University, never attend classes the first semester, which would put him on probation for the second semester, but still allow him to play basketball, and then go to the NBA, without basically ever attending classes at the University. I would hope that Coach Cal would not allow that to happen, and I don't think he did, but it appears Roy Williams did.
The University can also make a pseudo class for it's athletes, such as UNC did. Is it any wonder that some of these athletes make millions of dollars in their career, and by the time their in their 40's, THEIR BROKE, declaring Bankruptcy.
It's past time the NCAA and NBA need to get together, and either allow basketball players go to the NBA out of high school, or stay in college for three years, before being eligible to go to the NBA. While in college, they should have to take core classes, and maintain a 2.5 average.
UK did not participate in the NCAA tournament because three of their players had already graduated, and could not play at that time, because they were working on their MBA. The players were Hagan, Ramsey and big Lou Tsioropoulos. That is no longer the case, but probably would not affect many players, definitely not at UK.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
Admittedly i haven't read every thread on Diallo but what Cal has done MAY have been done to help the player as well as curry some favor with other coaches in the high school ranks. I don't have any idea really but it's can't hurt that Cal takes care of someone who just needs help and Cal looks selfless in the process. Could be huge in the recruiting world.
 
Currently the most polarizing topic surrounding the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball team is whether or not Calipari was "right" in allowing Diallo to join the team under the premise that he could possibly go to the NBA without never having played a regular season game wearing the Blue and White.

With that said, do you agree more with Calipari's decision to not play Diallo or Krzyzewski's decision to play Harry Giles during the 2016-17 season? I'm all for Team Calipari on this one and have included a link to DraftExpress' most recent draft projections to support my stance. Diallo has currently moved up to 31, while Giles is down to 27. While I want number 9 as much as any other member of the BBN, I'm glad we have a coach that refrained from committing the selfish act of playing a player who clearly wasn't ready to play at the collegiate level in hopes of winning at all costs. In short, in my mind Cal chose a teenager's future over the possibility of adding another W in the win column, while K sadly took the path more traveled when it comes to coaches in the NCAA.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Go Big Blue!!!
Currently the most polarizing topic surrounding the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball team is whether or not Calipari was "right" in allowing Diallo to join the team under the premise that he could possibly go to the NBA without never having played a regular season game wearing the Blue and White.

With that said, do you agree more with Calipari's decision to not play Diallo or Krzyzewski's decision to play Harry Giles during the 2016-17 season? I'm all for Team Calipari on this one and have included a link to DraftExpress' most recent draft projections to support my stance. Diallo has currently moved up to 31, while Giles is down to 27. While I want number 9 as much as any other member of the BBN, I'm glad we have a coach that refrained from committing the selfish act of playing a player who clearly wasn't ready to play at the collegiate level in hopes of winning at all costs. In short, in my mind Cal chose a teenager's future over the possibility of adding another W in the win column, while K sadly took the path more traveled when it comes to coaches in the NCAA.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Go Big Blue!!!
Giles is predicted to be a mid first rounder but many draft experts have Diallo out of the 1st round. Would Giles been any higher had he not played, I doubt it. There would have been doubts had he not played. Coach K has more wins than any coach in history. If he was really the selfish monster than many here portray he wouldn't continue to get the great players
 
If the Medical staff cleared Giles to play, then you play him.

Pretty simple really.
My thoughts exactly. To answer the OPs question, give me Cal every day of the week and twice on Sunday, over K. K is an egotistical dickface. The whole thing with Brooks was way over the top. Should show everyone what kind of ass he really is. People give him a pass on everything and it's ****ing mind boggling to me. It's like he really is untouchable. Could you imagine if Cal had done that exact same thing? People would have literally lost their collective minds. [laughing]
 
Currently the most polarizing topic surrounding the University of Kentucky Men's Basketball team is whether or not Calipari was "right" in allowing Diallo to join the team under the premise that he could possibly go to the NBA without never having played a regular season game wearing the Blue and White.

With that said, do you agree more with Calipari's decision to not play Diallo or Krzyzewski's decision to play Harry Giles during the 2016-17 season? I'm all for Team Calipari on this one and have included a link to DraftExpress' most recent draft projections to support my stance. Diallo has currently moved up to 31, while Giles is down to 27. While I want number 9 as much as any other member of the BBN, I'm glad we have a coach that refrained from committing the selfish act of playing a player who clearly wasn't ready to play at the collegiate level in hopes of winning at all costs. In short, in my mind Cal chose a teenager's future over the possibility of adding another W in the win column, while K sadly took the path more traveled when it comes to coaches in the NCAA.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Go Big Blue!!!
lol apples and oranges. Giles is CLEARLY not the same after multiple knee surgeries, meanwhile you claim HD isnt ready for college but that he is ready to be a first round pick. I fully support a posters freedom to say what they believe without persecution from bullies on this board and im not gonna either. You did ask what we thought, i think if he leaves, he should have played. Il tell you right now we may have won it with him. We kept a top 10 overall #1 SG recruit on the BENCH! I promise it was not because he wasnt ready, it was because he and Cal had a deal. If youre are good enough to get drafted, you damn sure are good enough to help us. What a waste, and imho a very stupid move by Cal.
 
My question is how does Diallo go from not being ready for college ball to ready for the NBA?

By the same logic that comes up from time to time here that "x" player should go pro now because with the incoming class he may not see as much time on the floor the following year.
 
My question is how does Diallo go from not being ready for college ball to ready for the NBA?

Do we REALLY still have people that don't understand this? It's not that he couldn't have helped or even done reasonably well second semester last season. The decision not to play was Diallo's. He was advised by his people (and likely also by Cal TBH) that he was better off PERSONALLY not to play. The only way he could have improved his draft stock was to play and absolutely kill it (which is unlikely). If he played and had a hard time at first, his draft stock would have plummeted. As it stands now, he's being judged ONLY on potential and what he does at the combine- a much better recipe for personal success.

So the question you may ask- why would Cal agree to this? The easy answer is three fold: 1) he truly is about putting the kids first (why they love him-this pays forward to other recruits), 2) because he knew that there is a very good chance of having Diallo come back for next season, and 3) putting loads talented players in practice translates to making games easier for those that are playing

It's not rocket science folks....
 
Do we REALLY still have people that don't understand this? It's not that he couldn't have helped or even done reasonably well second semester last season. The decision not to play was Diallo's. He was advised by his people (and likely also by Cal TBH) that he was better off PERSONALLY not to play. The only way he could have improved his draft stock was to play and absolutely kill it (which is unlikely). If he played and had a hard time at first, his draft stock would have plummeted. As it stands now, he's being judged ONLY on potential and what he does at the combine- a much better recipe for personal success.

So the question you may ask- why would Cal agree to this? The easy answer is three fold: 1) he truly is about putting the kids first (why they love him-this pays forward to other recruits), 2) because he knew that there is a very good chance of having Diallo come back for next season, and 3) putting loads talented players in practice translates to making games easier for those that are playing

It's not rocket science folks....
Do we we REALLY have condescending jerks who don't understand this?!

We know the decision not to play was his. Point to one spot on my post where I said Cal benched him. Go ahead, I'll wait...

In the meantime... Diallo decided not play because he said something like "l'm not ready to play at the collegiate level." So my question in my post was, how does Diallo go from stating he's not ready to play in college, to come out and declare for the draft and in essence say "I'm ready to play in the NBA."

My question was really straightforward and pretty simple. So stop putting words in my mouth just so you can argue your little agenda.
 
Do we we REALLY have condescending jerks who don't understand this?!

We know the decision not to play was his. Point to one spot on my post where I said Cal benched him. Go ahead, I'll wait...

In the meantime... Diallo decided not play because he said something like "l'm not ready to play at the collegiate level." So my question in my post was, how does Diallo go from stating he's not ready to play in college, to come out and declare for the draft and in essence say "I'm ready to play in the NBA."

My question was really straightforward and pretty simple. So stop putting words in my mouth just so you can argue your little agenda.

I never read that, I read he and cal had a deal.
It's just hard to believe a competitive young man should opt to just sit. Every kid wants to be out on that floor. I just don't buy a top 10 player wasn't ready but like you said, now he is ready for a higher lvl.
 
Do we we REALLY have condescending jerks who don't understand this?!

We know the decision not to play was his. Point to one spot on my post where I said Cal benched him. Go ahead, I'll wait...

In the meantime... Diallo decided not play because he said something like "l'm not ready to play at the collegiate level." So my question in my post was, how does Diallo go from stating he's not ready to play in college, to come out and declare for the draft and in essence say "I'm ready to play in the NBA."

My question was really straightforward and pretty simple. So stop putting words in my mouth just so you can argue your little agenda.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. And I didn't resort to name calling.

Do you really think that him saying "I'm not ready to play at the collegiate level" meant that he felt he wasn't good enough? That's idiotic, and I don't think you're that stupid. He obviously could have stepped on the floor day one and helped the team. Instead, he was using coachspeak (probably drawn up by Cal), telling the media what they needed to hear to justify his decision not to play, and to protect the 'unknown potential' factor when testing the waters. This was always the plan, and just because it doesn't fit your agenda, you are attacking the kid. Shame on you.
 
I have an awfully hard time believing that a kid who obviously has skills decides to go to the biggest college basketball university that exists and decides on his own that he only wants to watch.................
 
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. And I didn't resort to name calling.

Do you really think that him saying "I'm not ready to play at the collegiate level" meant that he felt he wasn't good enough? That's idiotic, and I don't think you're that stupid. He obviously could have stepped on the floor day one and helped the team. Instead, he was using coachspeak (probably drawn up by Cal), telling the media what they needed to hear to justify his decision not to play, and to protect the 'unknown potential' factor when testing the waters. This was always the plan, and just because it doesn't fit your agenda, you are attacking the kid. Shame on you.
Lol did I hurt your feelings? Do you need a safe place? If you don't want to be called a "condescending jerk" then don't be a condescending jerk. To call you what you're acting like isn't name calling to me, it is blunt, but not name calling in the traditional sense.

I don't care wtf he meant when he said that. The point is he said it, and despite what you may think words have meaning. It is not logical to go from not believing you're ready for college, to being ready for the NBA when you've never played a college game. It is absolutely ridiculous.

Lol you can't just make up the plan for the kid. We go only on with what was said and what was done. Pull up a quote where that was the plan. Go ahead. Oh wait you can't, because said quote doesn't exist and there's factual evidence for your claim. How sad.

Lol yeah it doesn't fit my agenda. My agenda is for UK to win titles. Don't for a second try to act like these players are your kids and you'd rather watch them succeed than U.K. If that's true than you're terrible fan. They already have Cal, their parents, and themselves looking out for themselves, they don't need some random creepy stranger defending their social justice on a message board they'll never read. Take your fake rage elsewhere mister white knight, I'm not buying it.
 
Lol did I hurt your feelings? Do you need a safe place? If you don't want to be called a "condescending jerk" then don't be a condescending jerk. To call you what you're acting like isn't name calling to me, it is blunt, but not name calling in the traditional sense.

I don't care wtf he meant when he said that. The point is he said it, and despite what you may think words have meaning. It is not logical to go from not believing you're ready for college, to being ready for the NBA when you've never played a college game. It is absolutely ridiculous.

Lol you can't just make up the plan for the kid. We go only on with what was said and what was done. Pull up a quote where that was the plan. Go ahead. Oh wait you can't, because said quote doesn't exist and there's factual evidence for your claim. How sad.

Lol yeah it doesn't fit my agenda. My agenda is for UK to win titles. Don't for a second try to act like these players are your kids and you'd rather watch them succeed than U.K. If that's true than you're terrible fan. They already have Cal, their parents, and themselves looking out for themselves, they don't need some random creepy stranger defending their social justice on a message board they'll never read. Take your fake rage elsewhere mister white knight, I'm not buying it.

Let's just say that it's easy to sound condescending when you're trying to explain the obvious to an uneducated internet tough guy. I still prefer not to call names, so I'll just let you read between the lines. There's no more evidence to support your claims than there is mine (you total piece of trash), and you must obviously believe that he wasn't ready to play in college (have you ever watched a basketball game, you inbred scum). I didn't imply for one second that these kids are my kids (you delusional ass), and if you feel strongly that anyone on that team owes you ANYTHING, then you can go fly a kite (go play in traffic, you incredible dipshit!).
 
Let's just say that it's easy to sound condescending when you're trying to explain the obvious to an uneducated internet tough guy. I still prefer not to call names, so I'll just let you read between the lines. There's no more evidence to support your claims than there is mine (you total piece of trash), and you must obviously believe that he wasn't ready to play in college (have you ever watched a basketball game, you inbred scum). I didn't imply for one second that these kids are my kids (you delusional ass), and if you feel strongly that anyone on that team owes you ANYTHING, then you can go fly a kite (go play in traffic, you incredible dipshit!).
It's called having a discussion, you should try it sometime. I garuntee I'm more educated than you, and I got all that from reading between the lines.

I have quotes from the player himself saying he wasn't ready for college ball. You have zero evidence supporting the master plan was to have Diallo come in, not play, and then get drafted. So yes, I have more evidence than you. Did you pay attention in math class? In case you didn't, 1 source > 0 sources.

Again with putting words in my words! If you were so educated wouldn't you want to stay from logical fallacies. You can't just create an argument for me and then try to refute that. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. Pay attention and discuss with the what other person is saying, ok?

I said I'm UK basketball fan, and I want titles more than I want our players to get drafted. Do I want them to get drafted? Yes. Do I want them all to do well? Yes. But I want championships more because I'm a fan of the team more than I am the individuals.

The only name I have left for you is hypocrite. And I think that's pretty self explanatory. And if anyone is trying to be an Internet tough guy, that would you. Lmao, it's almost like you're trying to rob a bank and when the FBI show up you try and blame it on the tellers. But your standing in the middle of a group of hostages with a gun and ski mask.

Also, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. There are councelors at your local YMCAs and churches that can help if you need a safe place.
 
It's called having a discussion, you should try it sometime. I garuntee I'm more educated than you, and I got all that from reading between the lines.

I have quotes from the player himself saying he wasn't ready for college ball. You have zero evidence supporting the master plan was to have Diallo come in, not play, and then get drafted. So yes, I have more evidence than you. Did you pay attention in math class? In case you didn't, 1 source > 0 sources.

Again with putting words in my words! If you were so educated wouldn't you want to stay from logical fallacies. You can't just create an argument for me and then try to refute that. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. Pay attention and discuss with the what other person is saying, ok?

I said I'm UK basketball fan, and I want titles more than I want our players to get drafted. Do I want them to get drafted? Yes. Do I want them all to do well? Yes. But I want championships more because I'm a fan of the team more than I am the individuals.

The only name I have left for you is hypocrite. And I think that's pretty self explanatory. And if anyone is trying to be an Internet tough guy, that would you. Lmao, it's almost like you're trying to rob a bank and when the FBI show up you try and blame it on the tellers. But your standing in the middle of a group of hostages with a gun and ski mask.

Also, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. There are councelors at your local YMCAs and churches that can help if you need a safe place.

LMFAO, you lost me at "garuntee," Mr. Educated.

And for the record, I took a Ph.D. from the university that's bringing you these championships, Mr. Self-entitled.

It seems you're still concerned with me calling you out for picking on an 18 year old kid related to the [correct] decision he made at the risk of not winning YOU another championship. I'm sure Cal will be calling any moment now to issue YOU a personal apology for providing such advice. It must feel awfully lonely to feel so self-entitled. I'm a huge UK fan also, but these kids owe YOU nothing.

It might help if you look at this as a decision that CAL made. A decision that is way above your pay grade, and one that frankly is none of your effing business. Neither Cal, nor the UK administration gives a damn about what you think you're entitled to.

As for my feelings, let me assure you that they're still perfectly well intact, and squarely not concerned with your sorry ass.


 
LMFAO, you lost me at "garuntee," Mr. Educated.

And for the record, I took a Ph.D. from the university that's bringing you these championships, Mr. Self-entitled.

It seems you're still concerned with me calling you out for picking on an 18 year old kid related to the [correct] decision he made at the risk of not winning YOU another championship. I'm sure Cal will be calling any moment now to issue YOU a personal apology for providing such advice. It must feel awfully lonely to feel so self-entitled. I'm a huge UK fan also, but these kids owe YOU nothing.

It might help if you look at this as a decision that CAL made. A decision that is way above your pay grade, and one that frankly is none of your effing business. Neither Cal, nor the UK administration gives a damn about what you think you're entitled to.

As for my feelings, let me assure you that they're still perfectly well intact, and squarely not concerned with your sorry ass.
Lol so sorry I spelled a word wrong. Nice PHD. Do you have basic training? Urban survival training? Global engagement training? Survival training? Evasion training? Resistance training? Escape training? Unarmed combat training? Drone training? Bachelor's in biology? Associates in paramedicine? Firefighter training? EMT and paramedic training?

Have fun making money with your education. I'll be saving lives and making a difference with mine.

Lol and still keeping up with the hypocrite routine? If it's not my place to question the intentions of an 18 y/o then how is it your place to validate those decisions?

You're a joke if you think Cal brought him to UK just to go to the draft. Lol where did I say I was entitled to anything? Again with the words in the mouth! I said I WANT championships, never said I deserve them.

Whatever though. Your an elitist, hypocrite, and self entitled to think your opinion is the only one that matters.
 
LMFAO, you lost me at "garuntee," Mr. Educated.

And for the record, I took a Ph.D. from the university that's bringing you these championships, Mr. Self-entitled.

I'm a huge UK fan also, but these kids owe YOU nothing.

Neither Cal, nor the UK administration gives a damn about what you think you're entitled to.
First off, you're an ass. Second, you're stealing lines from movies. Third, if you're a fan of UK basketball, then in return for you supporting the team, the players/coaches should care about wins, not draft position. Most fans prefer players do well in the draft by playing well and helping the team, not hiding on the bench and helping themselves. If that doesn't bother you, then in addition to the above, you're a terrible fan.
 
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