Cal/UK Being Out-recruited by An ACC School?

[KYtotheCore]

I ran across an article title today by Gary Parrish stating that an ACC school wearing similar colors to UK is out-recruiting Cal & UK. It isn't the first one being written about "Cal being beaten at his own game/new sheriff in town" mentality. I didn't read it, so I don't (won't) have a link. Do you think the people that read this stuff actually believe it, or is it just a media-driven agenda (like the Kardashians) with no actual substance - good for entertainment, but it's just what's hot at the passing moment? I guess I'm just one of those people that believes superiority doesn't need carnival barkers.

 

[Hoskins21]

Well...Duke is out recruiting UK for the 2016 class so far, but that can change.

 

[TUL]

In the current world, matching recruiting is considered out recruiting, I think. Take it as a compliment, to be the standard.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

Duke is on par, at the minimum, with UK in recruiting the past few seasons.

 

[KMKAT]

Duke's gotten 1 title since K has changed his recruiting tactics. We've gotten one. I think its more that they're simply trying to catch up with Cal, not passing him.

Didn't Cal 'out-recruit' K this year?

 

[Aike]

The part I find funny is that Duke is widely considered to be a top 10 University nation wide. They routinely rank with the likes of Harvard, Princeton, etc.

So where is the outrage over them making a mockery of the Duke education?

 

[Blueblood22]

The media tripped over themselves to say this for the 2015 class, then Cal dropped the mic on everyone by getting Murray and Humphries, so I guess they've moved to 2016 now.

 

[FFWhite]

Consider the source.

 

[Poetax]

I ran across an article title today by Gary Parrish stating that an ACC school wearing similar colors to UK is out-recruiting Cal & UK. It isn't the first one being written about "Cal being beaten at his own game/new sheriff in town" mentality. I didn't read it, so I don't (won't) have a link. Do you think the people that read this stuff actually believe it, or is it just a media-driven agenda (like the Kardashians) with no actual substance - good for entertainment, but it's just what's hot at the passing moment? I guess I'm just one of those people that believes superiority doesn't need carnival barkers.

Somebody better jump up and take on CAL, because he has killed it for 6 years. Lets face it if Coach K wasn't going do it, there would not even be a contest with the rest of the coaches.

 

[preacherfan]

I don't think it really matters who is number 1 and who is number 1a. Recruiting isn't the entire story. Those players have to develop and gel as a team in one season. Both programs are doing well. I guess the bball writers need something to get people talking?

 

[uk78]

As long as we get elite recruits, no reason to worry. To some degree it still is a crap shoot. Someone is going to be better than anticipated and someone else maybe not live up to expectations. Okafor was unstoppable offensively in college although he also benefited by getting Duke non-calls. Trey was a little better than anticipated but Lee not as much yet.

Plus as posted above there are other factors too. We need to avoid injuries. Maybe Poythress would have made a difference against Wisconsin. Who knows..but also getting very good recruits that develop beyond high school and maybe stay more than one season can be very important as well.

 

[Federal Cat]

The media tripped over themselves to say this for the 2015 class, then Cal dropped the mic on everyone by getting Murray and Humphries, so I guess they've moved to 2016 now.

Exactly, boom that happened, can happen every year, like I said were gonna get ours and their gonna get theirs, they don't exactly recruit the same type one and done's, I'm not worried

 

[KA4Prez]

Gary Parrish is far from a Cal hater. He's very complimentary or Cal. The article speaks the truth. Duke's recruiting is on par with UK's over the last 4-5 years and 2016 will be no different.

 

[Aike]

Gary Parrish is far from a Cal hater. He's very complimentary or Cal. The article speaks the truth. Duke's recruiting is on par with UK's over the last 4-5 years and 2016 will be no different.

4-5 years?

 

[KA4Prez]

Well, in 2012 they didn't need to sign much of a class and in 2013 they got Jabari Parker, but these classes also had Amile Jefferson and Matt Jones, both key contributors on their national title team. 2014 and 2015, equal or better than UK and looks to be that way in 2016. So lets say 4 years, to be exact.

 

[Aike]

Well, in 2012 they didn't need to sign much of a class and in 2013 they got Jabari Parker, but these classes also had Amile Jefferson and Matt Jones, both key contributors on their national title team. 2014 and 2015, equal or better than UK and looks to be that way in 2016. So lets say 4 years, to be exact.

You said 4-5 years, then said 2016 would be no different.

Seemingly, what you really meant was 2 years.

Not sure why it means so much to you to give extra credit to Duke.

It's arguable that in 2014 their class was a hair better, although we ended up sending the top pick to the draft, along with 2 other lottery picks.

We look better on paper for 2015, although it is close again.

So your assertion that Duke was equal to or better than us in 2014 and 2015 is also an exaggeration in Duke's favor.

You left out the possibility that our classes were better. I will concede that it was close. I would call 2014 pretty close to a wash, and say we came out ahead for 2015. But then, I am a UK fan.

No matter how hard I look, I can't find Duke with equal classes to us going back 4 years. Of course you didn't either. You just said it and hoped you wouldn't have to support it. Because you can't.

Saying they didn't need to sign much of a class is simply drivel. Throwing up Jabari Parker ignores Julius Randle, James Young, and the twins.

I'll give you this much. The way things are going, you may get a chance to gloat about how well Duke is recruiting for the next couple of years at least. Good luck with that.

 

[ymmot31]

If this mystery coach is out-recruiting Cal, and Cal was evil due to his recruiting, then wouldn't that coach be more evil and worthy of scorn?

 

[Marylandis1]

My son went to microbiology camp at Duke this summer and wants to go there. Lots of smart kids and the campus was nice enough, but the area around the school is pretty rundown and poor. (Not trying to be a snob.) We went down to Cheat one day, and I hate to say it, but they had a significantly nicer campus with tons of facilities. I have never been to Lexington; what is the campus like? Trying to get an idea of what the attraction is to Duke (other than the academic reputation). I think that plain and simple, it is the Rat. He built something there out of nothing and it is on autopilot.

 

[CUT-NETS]

You said 4-5 years, then said 2016 would be no different.

Seemingly, what you really meant was 2 years.

Not sure why it means so much to you to give extra credit to Duke.

It's arguable that in 2014 their class was a hair better, although we ended up sending the top pick to the draft, along with 2 other lottery picks.

We look better on paper for 2015, although it is close again.

So your assertion that Duke was equal to or better than us in 2014 and 2015 is also an exaggeration in Duke's favor.

You left out the possibility that our classes were better. I will concede that it was close. I would call 2014 pretty close to a wash, and say we came out ahead for 2015. But then, I am a UK fan.

No matter how hard I look, I can't find Duke with equal classes to us going back 4 years. Of course you didn't either. You just said it and hoped you wouldn't have to support it. Because you can't.

Saying they didn't need to sign much of a class is simply drivel. Throwing up Jabari Parker ignores Julius Randle, James Young, and the twins.

I'll give you this much. The way things are going, you may get a chance to gloat about how well Duke is recruiting for the next couple of years at least. Good luck with that.

Duke has 2 national titles to UK's 1 during Cal's tenure, yet you are trying to argue who has had the better recruiting classes the past 4-5 years. Amazing. Guess thats a defense mechanism "you may have the titles but we have the recruits and NBA draft picks!" Or maybe its just the new UK. It sounds like LeBron fans arguing who is the greatest; LeBron or Jordan. MJ fans say 6 titles and 6 MVP's, and LeBron fans say "yeah but LeBron is a specimen etc etc".

I don't know, just seems like something is off when you resort to comparing recruiting classes. If I'm sitting on 2 titles to UK's 1 during the Cal tenure then thats the only argument I need. 2 > 1 no matter how you slice it. I don't care about recruiting classes, I wish we had the second title that Duke has, and for that matter, that Uconn has.

 

[Aike]

My son went to microbiology camp at Duke this summer and wants to go there. Lots of smart kids and the campus was nice enough, but the area around the school is pretty rundown and poor. (Not trying to be a snob.) We went down to Cheat one day, and I hate to say it, but they had a significantly nicer campus with tons of facilities. I have never been to Lexington; what is the campus like? Trying to get an idea of what the attraction is to Duke (other than the academic reputation). I think that plain and simple, it is the Rat. He built something there out of nothing and it is on autopilot.

It's a combination of the academic reputation, K, ESPN, and the downfall of UNC. The sooner Roy Williams falls on his sword, the better.

UK's campus is nice, and the basketball facilities are second to none.

 

[Aike]

Duke has 2 national titles to UK's 1 during Cal's tenure, yet you are trying to argue who has had the better recruiting classes that past 4-5 years. Amazing. Guess thats a defense mechanism "you may have the titles but we have the recruits and NBA draft picks!" Or maybe its just the new UK.

I don't know, just seems like something is off when you resort to comparing recruiting classes. If I'm sitting on 2 titles to UK's 1 during the Cal tenure then thats the only argument I need. 2 > 1 now matter how you slice it. I don't care about recruiting classes, I wish we had the second title that Duke has, and for that matter, that Uconn has.

I was responding to his faulty assertion. Go troll elsewhere.

 

[Trouthound]

Duke has always recruited well, to THEIR style of play.

Since Cal unlocked the Pandora's box of one and dones, K has had to adapt, as has Coach self.

K is getting these kids because he is a legend set to retire soon.

Who wouldn't want to play for a legend??

They also won it all AGAIN last year.

I effing HATE Duke. But numbers don't lie.

I firmly believe UK had the best team last year. How did this happen?

As a KU homer, i dislike you both. But I can recognize that UK was the best team last year. It simply was.

 

[doneitall]

Trouthound I agree with you as I also think we had the best team last yr. but it only takes an off night for any team to get beat. I also believe that the two extra points the ref let them have is the reason UK got beat against Wisc. Had Poy. not gotten hurt we would have had another title IMO.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

We missed out on most our recruits this spring, and we're STILL arguably have the best class

 

[uk78]

Marylandis1
NewMy son went to microbiology camp at Duke this summer and wants to go there. Lots of smart kids and the campus was nice enough, but the area around the school is pretty rundown and poor. (Not trying to be a snob.) We went down to Cheat one day, and I hate to say it, but they had a significantly nicer campus with tons of facilities. I have never been to Lexington; what is the campus like? Trying to get an idea of what the attraction is to Duke (other than the academic reputation). I think that plain and simple, it is the Rat. He built something there out of nothing and it is on autopilot.

About 3 years ago, I went to Durham, N.C. for a brief meeting. I have to say driving by Cameron Indoor was kind of exciting because of all the years of hype. But, like you, Marylandis1, I was shocked by the surrounding area. They had that one little section near the campus of restaurants, bars, etc. and otherwise a very run down area. I posted about it but few made comments. UNC campus to me was similar to Kentucky, pretty, trees, spread out, but for the money that most Duke students have to pay, well, again quite a surprise.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

Gary Parrish is far from a Cal hater. He's very complimentary or Cal. The article speaks the truth. Duke's recruiting is on par with UK's over the last 4-5 years and 2016 will be no different.

2-3 yrs

 

[BengalWACO]

The media tripped over themselves to say this for the 2015 class, then Cal dropped the mic on everyone by getting Murray and Humphries, so I guess they've moved to 2016 now.

Crap media is crappy.

 

[heath4saints]

Good thing Kentucky fans aren't insecure at all

 

[Poetax]

I don't think it really matters who is number 1 and who is number 1a. Recruiting isn't the entire story. Those players have to develop and gel as a team in one season. Both programs are doing well. I guess the bball writers need something to get people talking?

Yeah but it's a lot easier when you have the jimmys and joes each year. Otherwise you end up with that special team every 4 years.

 

[kentucky_wildcat_#1]

Not too worried about K topping Cal one recruiting season. Both schools are recruiting at a level no other schools can match. Most years the difference between the number 1 rated class and number 2 aint going to be by much. Most years its going to come down to which players decided to come back for both schools. When you beat Cal out one year, he's going to come back that much harder the next. It's going to be fun watching the talent both schools are bringing in and if it keeps up, it could turn out to make an epic title game between Duke vs Kentucky. The ratings would be insane.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Duke has 2 national titles to UK's 1 during Cal's tenure, yet you are trying to argue who has had the better recruiting classes the past 4-5 years. Amazing. Guess thats a defense mechanism "you may have the titles but we have the recruits and NBA draft picks!" Or maybe its just the new UK. It sounds like LeBron fans arguing who is the greatest; LeBron or Jordan. MJ fans say 6 titles and 6 MVP's, and LeBron fans say "yeah but LeBron is a specimen etc etc".

I don't know, just seems like something is off when you resort to comparing recruiting classes. If I'm sitting on 2 titles to UK's 1 during the Cal tenure then thats the only argument I need. 2 > 1 no matter how you slice it. I don't care about recruiting classes, I wish we had the second title that Duke has, and for that matter, that Uconn has.

Is that you, Oliver?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

2-3 yrs

Yes, and those 2 to 3 years have historic for both programs. Duke's Okafor class probably ranks among the top 7 to 10 classes of the modern era.

Some are trying to make it sound like UK has taken a step back in recruiting. It hasn't. Since the James Young class, Calipari has brought in 13 five stars in three years - not counting the '16 guys who are about to line up or guys like Matthews, Mulder, Humphries, and Wynyard.


The idea that Duke is diametrically serving Cal his arse is fiction.

 

[.S&C.]

The part I find funny is that Duke is widely considered to be a top 10 University nation wide. They routinely rank with the likes of Harvard, Princeton, etc.

So where is the outrage over them making a mockery of the Duke education?

For the love of God, I've been screaming this for years. Those OAD mercenaries are destroying what Duke stands for, not to mention the game itself. Coach K is not only responsible for helping tear down the purity of college basketball, he's also helped destroy the image of Duke academics.

I bet we see the day when academia at Duke take control back. I just think when k is gone the big bad ass Duke legacy goes with him.

 

[knockoutgame]

cal has been the gold standard for recruiting since arriving at uk, but k is neck and neck with him these days. looking ahead to 2016 i see the blue devils being as deep with talent as i remember them being in quite some time.

 

[KYtotheCore]

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cal has been the gold standard for recruiting since arriving at uk, but k is neck and neck with him these days. looking ahead to 2016 i see the blue devils being as deep with talent as i remember them being in quite some time.

I think it's premature to say they're neck-and-neck. K will have to pull it off at least 2 more years for it to reach neck-and-neck status. Cal will be working simultaneously. K is gaining some ground though.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

My son went to microbiology camp at Duke this summer and wants to go there. Lots of smart kids and the campus was nice enough, but the area around the school is pretty rundown and poor. (Not trying to be a snob.) We went down to Cheat one day, and I hate to say it, but they had a significantly nicer campus with tons of facilities.

Durham definitely leaves much to be desired, but it's developed a lot since I my undergrad years in the early 2000's. That said, Chapel Hill is a nicer town, though that has a lot to do with demographics.

 

[Bigblueforever]

Consider the source.

That it in a nut shell.