Cal its unreal

[Cats192]

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Came to post this.

You're playing the #1 team in the country. On the Road. You should be doing EVERYTHING you can to prepare for this. Cal stopped doing the "EVERYTHING we can to win" approach a long time ago.

It's a bad look to skip the shoot around period. But especially when you wind up losing by 20+.

Calipari U baby!

 

[Cats192]

Could you imagine this board right now if UK got spanked by UT today by 26?

Especially when Cal says he didn't have a shoot around?

People would be calling for his head.

 

[Cats192]

I want a coach that does EVERYTHING to put us in a position to win. I don't even know if you can call shoot around "the little things." But Cal stopped caring about stuff like that years ago.

And when you're winning, whatever I guess.

The problem is ,that stuff starts to pile up. You lose by 20+ points after skipping shoot around, and the world knows you're a fool.

Do you think UT skips shoot around before an SEC foe comes to town? Do you think UT gets to the regular season and say "We haven't practiced against zone?"

 

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[YardCat]

He is feeding that BS to Arkansas now

 

[Slowwalker]

While he definitely had plenty of NBA players during his years here, most of them were nowhere close to the players they became after a few years in the NBA. You can’t watch SGA today and compare it to the SGA we had here.

I’m happy Cal was here and wish him the best. More of our fans should let it go. He’s gone and we appear to have plenty to be excited about.

 

[littlecreek]

Maybe you’re right. A lot of people have said that for years now and I didn’t buy it because I couldn’t believe a single assistant could have that big of an impact on the in game coaching. But now i’m starting to wonder. Because he really hasn’t been the same since he lost Robic.

The Robin analyzed things kind of reminds you of Pope

 

[KentuckyCat420]

Huh?! Lulz then who?! Kansas?! 🤣 It CERTAINLY wasn’t duke!

Huggins and WVU PERFECTLY game planned UK in that game and Cal had no counter for what they were doing.

UK obviously had the best roster in the country but they lost to a team that knew exactly how to beat them because ultimately it wasn’t a well constructed roster with so little shooting on it.

I would only agree with the poster that said not 2010 because there was nothing flukey about that loss. WVU beat us exactly how they planned to.

I’d replace that 2010 team with 2017, the Fox/Monk/Bam team had their title stolen from them by Higgins, end of story.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Huggins and WVU PERFECTLY game planned UK in that game and Cal had no counter for what they were doing.

UK obviously had the best roster in the country but they lost to a team that knew exactly how to beat them because ultimately it wasn’t a well constructed roster with so little shooting on it.

I would only agree with the poster that said not 2010 because there was nothing flukey about that loss. WVU beat us exactly how they planned to.

I’d replace that 2010 team with 2017, the Fox/Monk/Bam team had their title stolen from them by Higgins, end of story.

Well, WVU did score almost all their points from 3 in the first half, if not all, which was very flukey. They weren’t a good 3 point shooting team.

A good tactician type coach would’ve beaten that WVU team in that game. No way should that UK team been beat that badly by that WVU team. Just a terrible coaching job by Cal in that one.

 

[Creed Bratton]

He's never been a good coach. He has done less with more .. more than anyone I seen. Look how many players are in the nba. Imagine giving a coach like pope those players he would have had 3 4 titles. He literally thinks just throw the talent out there and we will win. He did it one year with a.d. it's unreal

I agree that Cal has greatly underachieved but let me introduce you to Dean Smith. While Cal has had a lot of talent that he has squandered at least his players were mainly inexperienced freshmen. However, Dean Smith coached in an era where he had the players 3-4 years and only won 2 titles in 44 years with guys like Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Rasheed Wallace, Jerry Stackhouse, Bob McAdoo, Vince Carter, Sam Perkins, Phil Ford, Antwan Jamison, Billy Cunningham and Brad Daugherty.

 

[The_Answer1313]

We can debate 2010 but if we are being honest that team was no where near the levels of 2012 or 2015, didn't get the overall 1 that season and had some major flaws. It was the worst 3 point shooting team we had under Cal.

2010 outscored their SEC Opponents by .26 points per poss.
2012 .33
2015 .37

If they were the best team, they weren't by a whole lot.

At the end of the day UK finished 35-3. Duke finished 33-5. Our NET rating on Kenpom was 26.54. Theirs was 33.29 and did so against a tougher schedule. That's quite a difference there.

But even so. Lets say we were. The point still stands. The best team wins about 1/3rd of the time. Then 10,12 and 15 yielded exactly what was expected.

 

[ciphercomplete]

I have been one to romanticize that first year with Calipari, BUT I just looked at that roster again and it wasn't impressive outside of the starting five.

Cousins, Wall, Patterson, Miller, Bledsoe. (Bledsoe only shot 38% from three; Miller only shot 33.5% from three that year, 44% the next)

Bench: Dodson, Orton, Harris, Stevenson, Liggins. (Liggins shot 32% this year but jumped to 39% the next)

Yeah, our best shooter was Bledsoe.

I'm still of the opinion that Cal should have found a way to beat WVU but I am no longer convinced we should have won the title. I wouldn't call the roster construction poor straightway because removing Bledsoe for Jodie Meeks results in an undefeated season imo. Or maybe if BOTH Miller and Liggins were a year ahead of schedule I think we would have strongly challenged for a title.

 

[The_Answer1313]

I have been one to romanticize that first year with Calipari, BUT I just looked at that roster again and it wasn't impressive outside of the starting five.

Cousins, Wall, Patterson, Miller, Bledsoe. (Bledsoe only shot 38% from three; Miller only shot 33.5% from three that year, 44% the next)

Bench: Dodson, Orton, Harris, Stevenson, Liggins. (Liggins shot 32% this year but jumped to 39% the next)

Yeah, our best shooter was Bledsoe.

I'm still of the opinion that Cal should have found a way to beat WVU but I am no longer convinced we should have won the title. I wouldn't call the roster construction poor straightway because removing Bledsoe for Jodie Meeks results in an undefeated season imo. Or maybe if BOTH Miller and Liggins were a year ahead of schedule I think we would have strongly challenged for a title.

I would say in 2010 we were one of the contenders. A team in a handful of teams that could have won the title.

But contrary to what many thought, yeah I agree. We were not "the team" to beat.

I think the long win streak to start the season, the star power of Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe etc......made people feel that team was better than it actually was.

I mean just imagine what we were watching the very year before that. We went from Billy G last season to Cal's first..........the turnover in talent was ridiculous lol.

 

[Myotis]

In a way he was probably unlucky to have not won more.

Not even just the four final fours but in 17 and 19 we were one possession away from those years being final fours as well.

That didn’t buy Tubby any slack either (being one possession away from two final fous)

 

[The_Answer1313]

That didn’t buy Tubby any slack either (being one possession away from two final fours)

Yeah it's always that difference between the process and the results. Ultimately if you aren't getting the results even if the process might be sound, you are getting canned lol. Or the bare min the fanbase grows restless and you basically have to get out.

Tho in Cal's case, 2019 was quite a bit of time ago so I guess it did buy him some time.

 

[Girthang]

That 2010 team had enough talent to win it all. They just didn't have a coach to prepare them well. They also should've had Meeks, but Cal wouldn't even take his calls or call him. Further proof that it was never about UK and titles so much as Cal's resume relative to the pros.

The players on that team said it best. "They were sick of being around each other" by the end of their tournament run. Cal tried to force this "family" vibe on them and made them spend every waking hour with each other for so long that they were tired of it.

 

[MachineHead1]

He should have won at LEAST two titles, and that is a fact. He took one of the best teams that ever played, didn’t properly prepare them for Sam Dekker and Frank Kaminsky, and took the air out of the ball at the end.

 

[Girthang]

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And ftloG... FREE THROWS

 

[Fox2monk]

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I remember that it’s why I cracked up he said it again. He thinks nobody remembers that far back…. I’m glad Jones brought that back up. Seems some fans are finally understanding that Kentucky fans were right on their board. Here is one who is seeing the light early. The quoted post is about the poor play of Nelly Davis btw.

Quote from: ThaiHawg on Yesterday at 04:30:15 AMHow many games has he missed? He didn't play well after the layoff? Some of you guys need to layoff of him.

Cal told us long before the season this could get ugly, but some of you simply don't listen.

I mean, we supposed to feel good about a supposed 8 million dollar basketball team's season being labeled to have the potential to get ugly before it ever started?

When you hire a HOF coach and give him backing second to no one, I'd think that kind of potential wouldn't be present. Am I crazy?

 

[wfm101981]

I remember that it’s why I cracked up he said it again. He thinks nobody remembers that far back…. I’m glad Jones brought that back up. Seems some fans are finally understanding that Kentucky fans were right on their board. Here is one who is seeing the light early. The quoted post is about the poor play of Nelly Davis btw.



I mean, we supposed to feel good about a supposed 8 million dollar basketball team's season being labeled to have the potential to get ugly before it ever started?

When you hire a HOF coach and give him backing second to no one, I'd think that kind of potential wouldn't be present. Am I crazy?

Ark fan sticking up for cal when cal says will get messy in the beginning like he's a lock for a final four. Oakland and st Peter's and Kansas state say hold my beer. Arkansas may not even make tourney tbh. Tough conference and their numbers aren't good to begin with .

 

[crawfords corner]

Just rolls the ball out there

 

[NociHTTP]

Pope can't get those players. It's a moot point.

It's not a moot point, not if you're paying attention. He hasn't even been here a whole season, he had to completely rebuild the program from scratch, all because your daddy tried to tear it all down out of spite toward the fans and the university. Recruits have already begun to talk about how much fun his system is.

 

[NociHTTP]

Basketball changed and his style was obsolete and he wouldn’t hire a proper staff to change it or his style. Then Robic having his issues really hurt him. He was the brains on game prep and adjustments and it showed greatly after he could not be in the program anymore. Cal was determined to show he could still win his way and it didn’t work.

He did bring in that offense guru last season, and the team appeared to buy into the system but then Cookie Dough decided to go back to a makeshift offense around his precious toothpicks.

 

[Fox2monk]

He did bring in that offense guru last season, and the team appeared to buy into the system but then Cookie Dough decided to go back to a makeshift offense around his precious toothpicks.

Exactly. Shows everything to me. He finally had a guy who got it working, but because Cal couldn’t get them to play defense his great idea was not to continue out scoring teams. Instead he wanted to play his plow ball and have no chance.