Yep, that's true. It's just another weapon in the arsenal.
Cal gets bounced we go zone
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I'm not sure Cal will agree with you, it definitely worked with so many missed shots, but it was easy to get in the paint and rebounding was difficult.
I hope we get better at it, I like the ability to switch it up as well just like you and @Chuckinden do.
Those are the trade offs. I don't want to play zone the majority of the time. I DO want the ability to play zone when we need it. When we play a poor perimeter shooting team. When we can't stay in front of the opposing players. When we're getting killed in the paint. The ability to change defenses confuses the opposition. It happens to us to. The best defensive teams are the ones that can play multiple looks.
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OP is an attention whore bounces back and forth from Tard boards like a 6 year old girl with pig tails.
The team practiced zone this week. Cal said during the call in show we would start considering it with this team. Coming from him, that's about as much of an admission as you can get. The fact that he was thrown out and we go zone for the first time is just a weird coincidence.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do - down Poy and bigs living in foul trouble, a little zone here and there makes perfect sense.
The magic word - we've seen this before with young Cal teams, not only learning from adversity,
but thriving from the experience.
They've bought in on the collective defensive effort.
Cocks= 39 rebounds
Cats= 38 rebounds
Yep we did not rebound very well. Did you not watch the game?
In Brianpoe's defense, those rebounding totals are for the entire game, are they not? What was the rebounding split for only those possessions where we played zone versus the possessions where we played man?
I'd also add that during Tom Leach's post game interview with Robic, Robic also mentioned that we didn't rebound well when we were playing zone.
This is why I hate non athletes and statisticians(not a shot at you)The game isn't played by a scorecard or a stat sheet. Anyone could see we rebounded better today in some moments that should help in the future. Lee outperformed expectations rebounding. It's not about game stats as a whole, it's about being able to look past that and see what we imporved on.
I'd say you're probably right about that. I remember at least two possessions where USC grabbed three rebounds during the possession. Overall, considering how USC had been rebounding this year and the foul situation on our bigs, I was pretty happy with our rebounding.
I view the rebounding totals that KYFaninNC referenced as a win.
Agreed, I don't know who wouldn't be happy with our rebounding and team defense.
Props especially to Marcus Lee who stepped up big time against the perceived at least toughest paint defenders in the conference.
Well, pick your poison then, either play some zone or have 4 front line players fouling out.
Not really true. We've had foul trouble in numerous games this year and never went to zone. I love Cal but the zone decision was probably more on Robic.
Edit: I just seen the zone comments from Cal saying they practiced it all week. That's great to hear. It looked pretty good today, hope that's its used a bit more.
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No one's arguing otherwise regarding the trade off between rebounding and fouling out. I was simply pointing out that you were calling out Brianpoe's comment by using a statistic that is irrelevant to the point he was making.
Similar to how you are responding to my post by highlighting a trade off that is irrelevant to the point I was making.
Regarding your edit, Robic said in the post game that they intended to use zone during this game as part of the gameplan. Would imagine that has to do with USC's shooting.
Switching to a zone always works best when you do it to attack an opponent's weakness, rather than trying to cover one of your own deficiencies. It's the same reason KU's triangle and two worked against us. Our lack of balance on scoring is a weakness if you have the athletes to compete with us. If you sellout and guard just Murray and Ulis, you can shut us down quickly if someone else in the frontcourt doesn't step up. Was good to see a big game from Lee in that respect. Hopefully he keeps that up.
Thanks for the asshh@le response, we have so few on this site.
It's a shame others have to call out your ineptness.
I agree totally with this, it was a smart move. Doesn't mean we played it as well as it seemed. Missed on rebounds and were pretty porous, but hey at least we went to it and hopefully we get better at.
Many thanks to @UKnCincy, sometimes this guy acts no better than his counterpart @uncfan in ky , at least that guy cheers for another team...
Absolutely, and they gave great effort playing it, seemed to rotate ok, couple times on the cross court passing we were out of position but overall did pretty well. Might have even spelled Tyler a little bit vs playing man...?
hey guy like I said couldn't wait to see the threads. if you think I had anything against cal then your slow. I made the post because we went zone while cal got booted. doesn't mean we would not have if cal stayed , it was a joke you goof. sorrY I don't live on the board so just now had a chance to respond .
Obviously it is Ulis...
In all seriousness Robic has taken over in the past though today it seemed to be KP...
Barbee and Robic both have HC experience
Well, I looked at the stats and did not see them kept in intervals, so how does anyone know if we did or did not get out rebounded while we were in the zone? Was never meant to be a smartass, just reported the rebounding stats.
You have been around long enough to use an excuse or a stat like that in this case.
If the coaches agree maybe a couple of us are correct...?
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I frankly couldn't tell that the zone really helped us. We gave up some offensive rebounds. We had guys managed to get baseline that never should have done that. We gave up some open shots that guys didn't move to cover. We had guys standing around away from the ball that opened opportunity to work the ball inside.
Fortunately, USC wasn't able to exploit any of that. Also, we might have avoided a few fouls. So I guess all's well that ends well.
Over all I think we looked like a team that doesn't play much zone. After they get a look at that game film, I would expect that we are a team that won't play much more zone either.
Fortunately, USC wasn't able to exploit any of that. Also, we might have avoided a few fouls. So I guess all's well that ends well.
Over all I think we looked like a team that doesn't play much zone. After they get a look at that game film, I would expect that we are a team that won't play much more zone either.
Why does anyone have to correct or not? We finally played some zone and had no one foul out. You were the one that said we did not rebound while playing zone, I just post the rebound stats. You are partially right and I am partially right. We won the game, that's all I care about.
Most of us are happy we tried the zone today, and it worked.
Doesn't mean we were great at it.
The fact that you supply 40 minutes worth of a stat to reflect 5-8 minutes of play is the issue.
I simply stated we did not rebound well during those few minutes.
If you would like I can have someone go back and re-watch the game and get an official count during our zone defense but I believe, as do the coaches it seems, that we struggled on the boards during the zone.
And just like you said, sometimes you have to give up something in order to deal with another situation and you are correct.
We are not the only team to have struggles rebounding in zone defense. Other than giving up 3's that is the one constant negative to zoning.
So much fail in that post I hope for your sake it's sarcasm.![[poop]](https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/891/1682179.png "Poop [poop]")
You told me that Cal would never play zone when I talked about the need for it. You said "forget it" that he doesn't believe in it and will never play it.
He just said that they worked on zone all week. They practiced it. My point is that you were wrong.
Certainly I'm not perfect, glad you caught that for me or I might have gotten the big head or something. I've always said too that there is never a need to play a zone unless do to foul trouble which is when they implemented and after the game was decided too.
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