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Cal encouraging Briscoe to pull up and...

I think Ken Venturi said it. "Putters are born, not made." It applies elsewhere. Briscoe will more than likely never be able to hit the broad side.
 
If taking one additional jumper each game results in one less turnover, it's well worth it.
 
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Still waiting for your list of coaches. Tell me who is better than Cal.


At "coaching"?

I guess we need to figure out what is most important; great coaching or great recruiting. Can we really say recruiting wins championships? How? Cal is the best recruiter in all of college athletics and has but one title to show for it. Maybe coaching wins titles. Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits.

By the way, I'm still posting and sharing my opinion so your all's attempt at getting me banned has done nothing. I'm still posting the same way I always have and still here despite you and others crying to mods.
 
At "coaching"?

I guess we need to figure out what is most important; great coaching or great recruiting. Can we really say recruiting wins championships? How? Cal is the best recruiter in all of college athletics and has but one title to show for it. Maybe coaching wins titles. Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits.

By the way, I'm still posting and sharing my opinion so your all's attempt at getting me banned has done nothing. I'm still posting the same way I always have and still here despite you and others crying to mods.
What is it going to take to ban this guy? People have been banned for a lot less than him. He's been baiting for at least a couple years now.
 
I think Ken Venturi said it. "Putters are born, not made." It applies elsewhere. Briscoe will more than likely never be able to hit the broad side.
Don't buy this. Guys like Liggins really improved their shooting. I doubt he becomes elite but if he puts in a lot of effort in his shooting, he can become decent.
 
At "coaching"?

I guess we need to figure out what is most important; great coaching or great recruiting. Can we really say recruiting wins championships? How? Cal is the best recruiter in all of college athletics and has but one title to show for it. Maybe coaching wins titles. Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits.

By the way, I'm still posting and sharing my opinion so your all's attempt at getting me banned has done nothing. I'm still posting the same way I always have and still here despite you and others crying to mods.

Great way at not answering the question regarding the list of coaches.

That is what you do, after all. Baseless attacks on Cal without any substantive alternatives.

That said, Merry Christmas.
 
Don't buy this. Guys like Liggins really improved their shooting. I doubt he becomes elite but if he puts in a lot of effort in his shooting, he can become decent.

You're absolutely right.

Willis, Miller, Liggins, Andrew, Patterson, etc. All of them improved as shooters with more work. Even a guy like MKG has improved with more work. Some folks on this board said he would never be a competent shooter in the NBA, and yet last season he hit about 45% of his midrange, which was a significant improvement over his first few NBA seasons, which was at about 30% from midrange.

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/look-michael-kidd-gilchrist-developed-mid-range-jumper/

Asserting a guy can't improve his shooting, is rather ignorant. Some people on this message board are ignorant. Some are just obstinately stupid, however.
 
I think Ken Venturi said it. "Putters are born, not made." It applies elsewhere. Briscoe will more than likely never be able to hit the broad side.

You probably said the same thing about guys like Michael Kidd Gilchrist, who is actually a decent midrange shooter in the NBA.

Don't doubt hard work and development, especially when a kid is only 11 games into his college career. It's shortsighted to do so.
 
Idk nothing but Murray works momentarily. Try anything different

Two things I'd like to see for at least a 5 minute stretch (these options still might utterly fail, but my curiosity is still fixed on them).

Skal on the short corner with Poythress on the low block. Actually allow Alex to be isolated down low when opponents are in man, and allow him to go to work (we are so limited on the low block from an offensive perspective, that Alex actually might be our only real scoring option until Skal develops an aptitude for toughness). Skal can float around the perimeter, which he likes.

Second thing:

If Mulder can defend for a 5 to 8 minute stretch with anything close to competency, put him at the 3 with Murray at the 2 and Ulis at the 1. Put Willis at the 4 and Lee at the 5.

See what that unit can do to soften up a zone. You'd still have Lee as a zone threat for the penetration and lob(plus he rebounds very well out of a zone) and four scoring options on the perimeter.

So far, Mulder hasn't proven he can defend with any degree of adequacy, but by the end of the SEC, I'd at least like to see this unit play together against a zone.
 
If you don't believe that Cal understands the risk of telling Briscoe to pull up, you're basically saying that he's mentally retarded.

Not a mediocre coach. You're saying he's full on, drool-coming-out level disabled.

Whether I agree that it's worth the risk or not, what gets me is that implication - that instead of trying to get Briscoe's confidence up and get him out of what is clearly a psychological funk (no other explanation for such a dip from perfectly reasonable AAU shooting %s), that Cal just straight up doesn't get it and is hurting the program with his stupidity.


Gah damn, why do I bother sometimes?
Seems kind of obvious, no? Some of these posts make it seem like Briscoe is playing a game of horse, it's just him and his choice of shot, and Cal is giving the worst advice possible. Like there's not 4 other guys on the floor, like IB's state of mind is not in consideration. Etc.
 
It's painful to witness some peoples thought process , it's a smorgasbord of wtf every time a strategy is discussed .
 
What is it going to take to ban this guy? People have been banned for a lot less than him. He's been baiting for at least a couple years now.
Just put him on ignore. If no one answers his posts; maybe he will slide away.
 
I think i speak for the majority of the board here when I respectfully say give it a rest and do us all a favor. Go find another team because I promise the Big Blue Nation can make it without your lack of support.

The Mods aren't going to do anything, I think because he pays for the premium board to pretend to be a UK fan.

At this point, your best bet would be to block him. I'm starting to consider it. I can only listen to the same crap from the same person for so long. I'm sure we can all agree on that.
 
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Great way at not answering the question regarding the list of coaches.

That is what you do, after all. Baseless attacks on Cal without any substantive alternatives.

That said, Merry Christmas.

Have never done any "baseless" attacks on Cal
 
Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits.
Yeah, you're right. It was Kevin Ollie's superb coaching that won UConn a title, and not arguably the best guard in the country that year catching fire, to the point where he was basically unstoppable during the tournament. Yet, where has Ollie's superb coaching taken this since Shabazz has left? Exactly.

The more you post, the more you prove you know absolutely nothing about basketball and are only here to take pot shots at Cal because you have some sort of weird, obsessive grudge against him. Also, don't even bother denying it. You're about as transparent as they come.
 
At "coaching"?

I guess we need to figure out what is most important; great coaching or great recruiting. Can we really say recruiting wins championships? How? Cal is the best recruiter in all of college athletics and has but one title to show for it. Maybe coaching wins titles. Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits

Maybe 8/10 3 & 4 *s staying 3 & 4 years ( with 1-2 5*s) wins titles
 
I mean who complains to mods? Amazing
I would just like to ask how long have you been a UK fan? Or, have you ever been happy as a UK fan? Seriously, because unless you were alive during '48-'51, then this is the greatest UK run by a single coach that you have ever witnessed in your life, and it's probably safe to say there won't be one any greater for the rest of your life.

If you would, please point to me a time in UK basketball during your life that has been better than these years with Cal. Guess what? As much as you dislike Cal, and as much as it might pain you to admit it, but you absolutely cannot point to that time because it doesn't exist (unless you were alive and old enough to understand basketball during the 40's and 50's)
 
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Don't buy this. Guys like Liggins really improved their shooting. I doubt he becomes elite but if he puts in a lot of effort in his shooting, he can become decent.
Plus, I used to be a terrible putter but after working on it I'm usually the best putter in the foursome ( now my iron game is another story, lol ). So the first statement is not true either.
 
I would just like to ask how long have you been a UK fan? Or, have you ever been happy as a UK fan? Seriously, because unless you were alive during '48-'51, then this is the greatest UK run by a single coach that you have ever witnessed in your life, and it's probably safe to say there won't be one any greater for the rest of your life.

If you would, please point to me a time in UK basketball during your life that has been better than these years with Cal. Guess what? As much as you dislike Cal, and as much as it might pain you to admit it, but you absolutely cannot point to that time because it doesn't exist (unless you were alive and old enough to understand basketball during the 40's and 50's)

Cut Nets doesn't answer direct questions unless it ties in with his agenda. He has never answered as to who he thinks would run Kentucky better than Calipari (other than perhaps Coach K).

He likely knows the second he opens his mouth about who he thinks would do a better job here, half this message board would spring to action and dissect the particular coach he favors until Cal looks exponentially better.

Thus, the baseless attacks.
 
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This just in.........Cal telling players to " just dribble the ball and make more baskets than the other team".

Film at 11
 
You shouldn't really go there. The run of final fours has been great, but he's had the number 1 or 2 recruiting classes since he's been here. Its not like he's ever been without talent and rebuilding in today's climate. He picked his poison.......its start over every year. This year he made mistakes......like the Noel year.
Lol - in today's climate? That's a convenient way to say "allow me to make my case against Cal's coaching ability with cherry picking".

GUYS GUYS IF YOU JUST TAKE OUT THAT TIME WHERE CAL WENT TO FIVE STRAIGHT TOURNEYS AT A SCHOOL THAT HAD ONLY BEEN ONCE IN HISTORY - AVERAGING 30 WINS A SEASON - AND THEN GOING TO A FINAL FOUR WITH TWO HIGH MAJOR PLAYERS AND A BUNCH OF SCRUBS WHILE SPLITTING THE SERIES WITH THE '96 CATS - IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT CAL SUX WITHOUT A STACKED ROSTER LOL
 
Seems kind of obvious, no? Some of these posts make it seem like Briscoe is playing a game of horse, it's just him and his choice of shot, and Cal is giving the worst advice possible. Like there's not 4 other guys on the floor, like IB's state of mind is not in consideration. Etc.
No time for context and nuance, my friend. Hurry, let's come to the conclusion with the fewest variables possible so that we can enlighten the rest of RR before competing theories emerge:

Cal just don't get it, man. Ya cain't tell a bad shooter ta keep shootin'. Wish I could get a minute er two with coach just ta straighten him out a lil' bit.
 
Cut Nets doesn't answer direct questions unless it ties in with his agenda. He has never answered as to who he thinks would run Kentucky better than Calipari (other than perhaps Coach K).


He likely knows the second he opens his mouth about who he thinks would do a better job here, half this message board would spring to action and dissect the particular coach he favors until Cal looks exponentially better.


Thus, the baseless attacks.

I'll answer the question. You like to ask it of Cut, and I have a little free time, so let me compile the numbers.


Based on performance to talent ratio, the best coaches of the Cal/UK era are:


Tier 1

K (2 Titles, 0 F4, 1 E8, 1 S16) - avg 6 five stars per roster - one of the greatest 6 yr runs of all time

Cal (1 title, 3 F4, 1 E8) - avg 6 five stars per roster - one of the greatest 6 yr runs of all time

Rick (1 title, 1 F4, 1 E8, 1 S16) - avg two felons and four 160 lb African centers per roster (possibly best performance for talent, but ALL HIS 5 STARS BUST)

Stevens (0 title, 2 F4 in two years) - mid major talent w/ one max contract NBA player (basically what Cal had on his '96 team at UMASS)

Izzo (0 title, 2 F4, 1 E8, 2 S16) - his starters are usu top tier recruits incl a fair number of five stars per roster, but not like K, Cal, Self, Williams, Miller, or even Donovan

Ryan (0 title, 2 F4, 0 E8, 2 S16) - won games with me, your grandmother, and 3 bums living outside Walgreens according to some fans - results towards bottom of tier 1


Tier 2

Donovan (0 title, 1 F4, 3 E8) - avg at least 4 five stars per roster

Matta (0 title, 1 F4, 1 E8, 2 S16) - avg at least 4 five stars per roster, and every time he wins, a smurf dies

Self (0 title, 1 F4, 1 E8, 1 S16) - averages 5 five stars per roster, at no discernable disadvantage to Cal or K

Marshall (0 title, 1 F4, 0 E8, 1 S16) - mid major talent

Miller (0 title, 0 F4, 3 E8, 1 S16) - avg 4 to 5 five stars per roster, but he only gets knocked out by high seeds with HOF coaches - his time will come


Understand how elite we're talking about - guys like Shaka Smart, Chris Mack, and Archie Miller don't even register here - unless you can kick CBB in the ass with little talent like Cal at Umass, Brad at Butler, Marshall at Wichita, you're not gonna be listed.


So now that you've seen the qualitative, let's give you the quantitative:

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Obviously the ratings are subjective, but I gave the background info, so you can look and assess for yourself. Bottom line, if you're looking to replace Cal and get better performance, then you have to go for the GOAT. Common sense could've told you that - there are two coaches whose on the court results are head and shoulders above everybody else right now, and we have one of them.

If we were living in a bizarro Cut-Nets world where you get more points for winning with less talent (hint - you don't - all wins in the record books are equal), even then, your only comparable options are the GOAT, a couple guys who are now in the NBA or retired, Ricky 3 stacks, and Tom Izzo. Nobody else is winning more even *relatively* speaking.


Now, a little fun for you guys who like to talk about "just rolling the balls out": (a bit of a joke here - ie. I didn't spend a bunch of time comparing Scott Drew vs Dave Rice's roster talent)

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I have no doubt that one of the posters in this thread secretly roots for UK to lose so he can be "right."
 
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At "coaching"?

I guess we need to figure out what is most important; great coaching or great recruiting. Can we really say recruiting wins championships? How? Cal is the best recruiter in all of college athletics and has but one title to show for it. Maybe coaching wins titles. Uconn has two titles to our one in the Cal era yet no where near the recruits.

By the way, I'm still posting and sharing my opinion so your all's attempt at getting me banned has done nothing. I'm still posting the same way I always have and still here despite you and others crying to mods.
I'm not trying to get you banned, all I'm trying to do is get you to post a list of coaches that you feel would be a better fit and produce better results than Calipari.
 
Let's resume this debate. Don't let the crazies run this time, boys. If we don't call 'em out now, we won't see them til the next loss.
 
Just routinely shooting the 15 footer (whether he hits it a bunch or not) will open up his natural strength of driving the ball. Do you think Rondo shoots jumpers to score? No, but if he didn't then whoever defended him would give him a 8 ft cushion to eliminate his strength.
 
Cal doesn't want him driving to the basket and getting fouled because he can't make free throws. If he goes to the line it's almost like a turnover.

If as a guard, he can't shoot a 15 ft shot, can't hit free throws, and don't have great point guard skills, why was he rated so high and why did Cal sign him?
 
He will never learn how to shoot if he doesn't work on it and that includes during games. As a pro John Wall shoots much better than he did while at UK because he worked on his shooting. Briscoe can greatly improve his shooting if he is willing to put in the work. Someone(s) did him a major disservice by not ever making him improve his shooting. It is obvious that he was allowed to simply run up and down the court making layups and dunks as if that would easily continue throughout college and the pros.
 
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