Yet staying with Edwards led to him playing better and contributing to wins. Damn that Cal, developing players and winning games!
Cal admits to protecting feelings over winning games
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Sure did help on the contributing out in the first round of the SEC tournament and first round of the NCAA tournament. So you’re right DAMN THAT CAL!!!!!
So is he supposed to sign with a team that doesn't really need him?
Playing time and role are usually at the top of all recruits list.
As parents you are allowed to be a little selfish when it comes to your child.
You see it everyday with parents who have a kid who doesn't have 1/10th of Karters ability.
This. It has zero to do with status and everything to do with winning. On the road and especially vs underdogs, you need to start fast to take out the crowd or kill the hope of an underdog. Intentionally starting a lineup you know is a slow starter takes away both of those important things. Then not only did he start that squad, but kept them in the first 5 of each half.
It's just unfathomable anyone would do that if their intentions were to win games. That's because his intentions were to help those kids over winning games.
Ok he says he wants to be for the kids. Let's assume that's true. Do reed and rob not have futures too? Then is cal really for the kids? No he's for his choice kids.
I'm not sure why. He would just be another chucker that Cal would try to appease and in turn take shots away from our effecient scorers Shep and Reeves.
The problem is Cal- not the parents. Wouldn’t have offered Knox based on the family’s comments.
Trying to stay positive: We wanted a lot of changes over the last two years (Offense strategy, more shooters, assistant overhaul).. and we did get them. We didn't get ALLq the changes we wanted, still some real mule-headed things, such as wrong lineups, not covering some basics, the 2-foul rule.
But we DID see some nice changes. Will this loss (like the St. Peters loss) force Cal to make some more changes? Will the changes by Mitch fix some of this? That's my hope.
But we DID see some nice changes. Will this loss (like the St. Peters loss) force Cal to make some more changes? Will the changes by Mitch fix some of this? That's my hope.
Again why would Knox 's parents or Knox himself want to sign up for a logjam at his position?
They didn't make any outlandish comments, they just said they wanted a clear picture of who was leaving and who was staying
Again totally unfair to take out anti Cal feelings on Karter.
This time last year there was a lot of negativity on the board about Rob.
Criticized his choice of HS's and his enterouge and some swore that he would never make it to campus.
Ended up being one of the best players on the team, never a minutes trouble and a fan favorite.
I don’t blame them. I blame Cal for this mess.
Remind me- is Edwards the player that got stuffed by the rim in a dunk without a defensive player challenging him. And, did that happen at a crucial point in the game? I think he airballed a layup also.
It sure didn’t LEAD to him being able to make layups or dunks where he got blocked by the FREAKIN rim!!!
He played SCARED TO DEATH when we really needed him to play like a top 3 recruit. Cal puts even MORE pressure on them by starting and playing them when they obviously need more development.
Yep. He seems to be the type of player that needs constant positive reinforcement. Like having his mental health coach on the bench clapping even when he misses a dunk. “That’s ok- you really tried!”
I still think the DJ move was more because of the Wagner family, but what do I know.
Dilly not starting over Edwards.. I'm not as upset with. Edwards WAS starting to get going, and if he could have gotten Edwards to his potential, he *could* have been that SF/PF type that we desperately needed, scoring 20, being a mismatch nightmare. Plus, Dilly was foul prone, and he was someone that could be used off the bench. Along with their minutes being similar.. I was OK with this. I'm not saying I'd have done the same, but Edwards over Dilly wasn't a huge problem to me
It's DJ over Reed (or Dilly), even after the injuries, that just don't make sense. We didn't NEED DJ to come alive, quite like we needed Edwards, because we had Reed right there, who was even better (Edwards really just had Tre and Adou). That is what burned us.
I never want players to leave, and I think all these freshman could look a heck of a lot better as Sophomores.. But DJ man.. that's a tricky one. I don't want to deal with the favors owed to the Wagners, and would only want him back if we can start him off the bench next year. If Cal can't do that then 1. he's not making the right changes and/or 2. Let DJ go elsewhere.
Dilly not starting over Edwards.. I'm not as upset with. Edwards WAS starting to get going, and if he could have gotten Edwards to his potential, he *could* have been that SF/PF type that we desperately needed, scoring 20, being a mismatch nightmare. Plus, Dilly was foul prone, and he was someone that could be used off the bench. Along with their minutes being similar.. I was OK with this. I'm not saying I'd have done the same, but Edwards over Dilly wasn't a huge problem to me
It's DJ over Reed (or Dilly), even after the injuries, that just don't make sense. We didn't NEED DJ to come alive, quite like we needed Edwards, because we had Reed right there, who was even better (Edwards really just had Tre and Adou). That is what burned us.
I never want players to leave, and I think all these freshman could look a heck of a lot better as Sophomores.. But DJ man.. that's a tricky one. I don't want to deal with the favors owed to the Wagners, and would only want him back if we can start him off the bench next year. If Cal can't do that then 1. he's not making the right changes and/or 2. Let DJ go elsewhere.
Maybe them struggling helps us if they return. They can’t play much worse can they?
Having to baby 5 stars is no way to go in this life. Maybe those guys would have done something about it in practice and games if they wasn't starting. If he is going to continue to do that he needs to do it somewhere else. His ways are not being fair to the other players, the team as a whole or the fans.
What sucks is these guys now get a bad rap and blame for something Cal did. This is not what happened only what Cal was afraid would happen in his mind. What if he actually made the change and it lit a fire under their ass. We'll never know because he was too scared to try. Blame Cal not the kids.
So I guess Cal promised playing time, oh wait, Cal doesn't promise playing time.
No one knows for sure because no player has ever admitted to being promised a starting position.
Did Cal tell him he was being recruited to be the starter? Probably.
Richmond didn't scare him away.
If he had been told Edwards was for sure returning that probably would have.
If both Reed and DJ return, a Fland de-commit is probably not out of the question.
If Fland was Wall or Fox level then it would probably push DJ out.
Portal guys are no different.
They are looking for money and to have the same role on a bigger stage.
Knenct admitted he wanted the stage at UT and Hunter D. admitted he was in it for the money.
Neither were chasing championships.
It's all a big game coaches and players play.
Your right to a piont Weasel but here's the caveat to that. The bigger isssue is not Rob and Reed starting its Rob, Reed and Antonio being able to play together as much as possible and they just didnt as much as they should have. Part of the reason was due to Rob and Reed not starting out with Antonio.
And once the game seasoned along, folks did pick up fouls (dont get me started on the stupidity of sitting guys with two fouls) and so by the time could work Rob and Reed in Antonio may be coming out and visa versa the rest of the game. So the best time to guarantee minutes for the big three was at the beginning. Thats what Cal is missing.
If Cal has just done that with Bradshaw and developed him and DJ we might have had something. Guess one thing at a time.
It was. Edwards started saying he was struggling with expectations. And Cal said the guys were worrying about their draft stock each game.
That had nothing to do with cal though. The only reason he left them starting was in hopes they would all get it by end of year and not lose them by nenchi
Here's the problem with sticking with Cal during the portal era.
Prioritizing playing time for star freshmen even when underperforming, to maximize their NBA futures, is one half of the freshman equation. The other half is to convince next year's freshmen stars to come play for him.
Here's where Cal saying over and over again on his call in show that we need to bring in older, stronger players through the portal rings hollow. You have to recruit portal players now too. Does anyone believe Cal will begin to give equal time based on performance? I sure don't. Everyone knows Cal plays favorites including impact portal prospects.
If the reports of Mitch insisting on changes includes a mandate to balance playing time, it's hard to see Cal agreeing to it or following through if he does.
I think Cal gets the most job satisfaction in this order and it isn't going to change.
1a. Recruiting. Beating everyone else for the top players. K taking the crown for a while really woke his ass up.
1b. Getting his star freshmen to the NBA and the $'s that follow.
2. Winning games at UK.
Prioritizing playing time for star freshmen even when underperforming, to maximize their NBA futures, is one half of the freshman equation. The other half is to convince next year's freshmen stars to come play for him.
Here's where Cal saying over and over again on his call in show that we need to bring in older, stronger players through the portal rings hollow. You have to recruit portal players now too. Does anyone believe Cal will begin to give equal time based on performance? I sure don't. Everyone knows Cal plays favorites including impact portal prospects.
If the reports of Mitch insisting on changes includes a mandate to balance playing time, it's hard to see Cal agreeing to it or following through if he does.
I think Cal gets the most job satisfaction in this order and it isn't going to change.
1a. Recruiting. Beating everyone else for the top players. K taking the crown for a while really woke his ass up.
1b. Getting his star freshmen to the NBA and the $'s that follow.
2. Winning games at UK.
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What a freaking sapfest. We're doomed with all these feelings and emotions. Maybe cow will turn off the scoreboard during home games to make everyone feel better about themselves.
Cal's roster construction is gonna make it so hard to bring in top portal guys, he has a 4/5 star freshman coming in at every position, that is not even factoring in returning players, for instance what the hell are Burks and Adou supposed to think about playing time, the 3/4 positions are completely jammed up. The 5 position as it stands has 5 players and they are recruiting a big out of Rutgers apparently, I mean just unbelievable.
The thing I do agree with is we got outta the gate slow in sooo many games this year, it did become an issue.
However, Rob's inability to stay out of foul trouble hurt us repeatedly when we needed him down the stretch. Reed had many games he was playing 30+ minutes, so I don't know what more we were going get from him. I question scouting as much as rotations. But thats just me.
However, Rob's inability to stay out of foul trouble hurt us repeatedly when we needed him down the stretch. Reed had many games he was playing 30+ minutes, so I don't know what more we were going get from him. I question scouting as much as rotations. But thats just me.
so is Klutch steering their clients (the recruits) to UK and then when they're at UK, he's obligated to play them, so that future Klutch players keep being steered to UK?
gives new meaning to the word Klutch...not like it's a clutch shot...but I have you in my clutch.
If that's the case, then UK hoops means not University of Kentucky. It means University of Klutch and Calipari is more conduit than coach.
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