Brock V

[hamidousvertical]

Is another used to be 5 star prospect that peaked in high school. This is the downside of the portal. Obviously Georgia didn’t mind losing a recruiting win. Wonder why?

He is stiff throwing the ball. He makes terrible reads. He isn’t an SEC QB no matter his star rating or what school he came from. Our WR’s know it. Our fans can see it. Our coaches keep trying to not see it.

Yes he is tough and will not slide and will take a hit. That’s about the best thing I can say for our newest “he was a 5 star recruit years ago but hasn’t played a down since then” NIL QB win.

Now let’s talk punters I guess…

 

[JumperJack]

No argument here. The whispers from summer looks accurate. He’s just not very good. But then, the whole damn offense sucks so it’s not just him.

 

[doc4UK]

Too indecisive

 

[megablue]

When Wimsatt ran it down to the 1-foot line ... why not just leave him in to get a touchdown on the drive ??

 

[Catfanlou]

When Wimsatt ran it down to the 1-foot line ... why not just leave him in to get a touchdown on the drive ??

Zactly

 

[ManitouDan]

It a scheme Stoops issue more than any 1 individual . JMHO

 

[ManitouDan]

He didnt fumble like D Key , he didnt commit a brainless drive killer penalty in Q1 like D Key . He didnt have 2 bad snaps .. in 1 half . Whole ton of stuff wrong , not just BV ... hell Joe Montana could suck in our offense

 

[Phil_The_Music]

He didnt fumble like D Key , he didnt commit a brainless drive killer penalty in Q1 like D Key . He didnt have 2 bad snaps .. in 1 half . Whole ton of stuff wrong , not just BV ... hell Joe Montana could suck in our offense

I tend to agree with this. While Brock has his weaknesses, I believe he would be more than servicable if he didn't have to overcome all of the other problems with our offense.

 

[TTTblue24]

If these are the best 2 tackles we can start, I’d hate to see the backups then if they can’t sniff a snap or 2 when these guys can’t block anyone for more than .2 seconds…….or get a penalty.

 

[The_Catfather]

He's essentially a true freshman, has boneheads as his two 2 receivers and an offensive line that can't pick up simple blitzes. Not to mention a coach that hasn't grasped clock management in 11 years as a head coach. I'm not ready to throw the "bust" label on him yet.

 

[Rockfly78]

All he has to be is a game manager and for rhe most part that’s what he’s done. He hasn’t been the reason we’ve lost a single game yet. There are a million other things that have directly contributed to our downfall. Look at all the stupid stuff we do.

 

[WildcatofNati2]

He's essentially a true freshman, has boneheads as his two 2 receivers and an offensive line that can't pick up simple blitzes. Not to mention a coach that hasn't grasped clock management in 11 years as a head coach. I'm not ready to throw the "bust" label on him yet.

I am not going to call him a bust, either, and he's actually been OK for the most part, but a 4th year player, even one with limited snaps is NOT essentially a true freshman.

 

[The_Catfather]

^Bad wording on my part. But other than scrub duty, he had virtually zero in-game experience coming into the season.

Taking a few snaps at the end of 60-0 wins and practicing against 2nd-stringers doesn't really prepare you for being thrown into the fire at a new school.

 

[know1]

He wasn't the problem. Far from it.

 

[Mike-McD]

You haters are gonna eat crow when we play Murray. You’ll see. Brock will light them up.

 

[PessimisticDore]

You haters are gonna eat crow when we play Murray. You’ll see. Brock will light them up.

Cope

 

[Bluegrass79]

Well when you're trying to protect a five-star quarterback with three star offensive lineman this is what you get.
Brock would do better somewhere else like Alabama or Georgia where he came from LOL

 

[know1]

His biggest issue besides no protection is he throws every pass to the same receiver.

 

[Haggin_Hall_1983]

No argument here. The whispers from summer looks accurate. He’s just not very good. But then, the whole damn offense sucks so it’s not just him.

I think that a quality passing QB is the only piece this offense is lacking. We average 5 yards running every game. Outside of the South Carolina game, we have have good pass protection for the QB. Last night, Brock had all the time in the world to throw the ball- he held and couldn’t make reads. We lack a D1 passing QB.

 

[STL_Cat]

He's essentially a true freshman, has boneheads as his two 2 receivers and an offensive line that can't pick up simple blitzes. Not to mention a coach that hasn't grasped clock management in 11 years as a head coach. I'm not ready to throw the "bust" label on him yet.

He's not “essentially a true freshman”, that’s ridiculous. Maybe you could argue he’s essentially a redshirt freshman but true freshman? No dude. No. A true freshman is in his first year of training and practicing with high D-1 level expectations and teammates and coaching.

Brock is in his first year starting but that doesn’t make him anything like a true freshman. He’s 22 years old and in his 4th year. He's nothing like a true freshman.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

He wasn't the problem. Far from it.

He and the oc are the main issue. I say oc because its ridiculous the way we rotate qbs. When bvg is playing well, it completely disrupts rhythm.

Brock is fine other than not trusting what he sees at times. It causes him to hold the ball. The other bad habit he developed is poor pocket movement. Instead of stepping up, he bails out.

Stepping up is important to help the ol because theyre coached to ride the defender up field but Brock doesn't do his part.

 

[Big10Cat]

It’s hard to win consistently in the SEC with a MAC offensive line.

 

[megablue]

His biggest issue besides no protection is he throws every pass to the same receiver.

Why does he do that ??

 

[know1]

Why does he do that ??

Tunnel vision, I guess.

 

[crestcat]

Why does he do that ??

The only one he trusts?

 

[FirewithFire]

Its time for Vanderpuff to have a seat. Let Wimsatt show what he's got. That deep pass to Brown didn't look to bad last night. Wimsatt with the option/play action is the way forward.

 

[gamecockcat]

I think that a quality passing QB is the only piece this offense is lacking. We average 5 yards running every game. Outside of the South Carolina game, we have have good pass protection for the QB. Last night, Brock had all the time in the world to throw the ball- he held and couldn’t make reads. We lack a D1 passing QB.

Why is it that seemingly none of our QBs are very good at reading defenses, going through progressions, taking what the defense is giving? We've seen it with multiple QBs and OCs now.

Case in point: third down and goal in the the 3rd quarter. Brock has PLENTY of time. Locks onto Key, who is not open, but throws way over his head anyway. Now, a well-coached QB who has time will look to the TE or RB or other WRs to see if they are open. Maybe come back to Dane if he's worked himself open. A sack doesn't hurt us - it's still a chip shot FG. But, he locks onto Key and never looks anywhere else. To me, since he's not the only QB with this problem over the past 5+ years, that's a coaching/development problem. Yes, BV needs to know to look at the next options if #1 isn't open. But, when he's only one of a long line of QBs who didn't do that, either, I gotta believe the staff is equally at fault.

Second case: Vandy hurt us all night by dump offs to the flats, something we almost never do. Again, it's taking what the defense is giving. Brady was the absolute best at that. If the D allowed him to throw 4-yard passes every down, he'd throw 4-yard passes 25 times in a row. Our game plan doesn't seem to figure out matchups we can exploit or defensive scheme vulnerabilities that we can exploit play after play until the opponent makes adjustments. Then, we find the next matchup/vulnerability to exploit. Should be offensive coaching 101 but we are still in remedial classes, evidently.

It's not just Hamden. It's been several OCs in a row now.

 

[kygent2]

All he has to be is a game manager and for rhe most part that’s what he’s done. He hasn’t been the reason we’ve lost a single game yet. There are a million other things that have directly contributed to our downfall. Look at all the stupid stuff we do.

What games are you watching, this guy is terrible, cost us the game against Georgia by holding the ball to long and then fumbled, he constantly holds the ball too long, he is not good, Stoops needs too make a change and now...

 

[Titpwhami2014]

He doesn’t see the field very well, a la Will Levis. But he’s far from a bust at this point. I think it’s the scheme, or the lack thereof.

 

[ManitouDan]

Why is it that seemingly none of our QBs are very good at reading defenses, going through progressions, taking what the defense is giving? We've seen it with multiple QBs and OCs now.

Case in point: third down and goal in the the 3rd quarter. Brock has PLENTY of time. Locks onto Key, who is not open, but throws way over his head anyway. Now, a well-coached QB who has time will look to the TE or RB or other WRs to see if they are open. Maybe come back to Dane if he's worked himself open. A sack doesn't hurt us - it's still a chip shot FG. But, he locks onto Key and never looks anywhere else. To me, since he's not the only QB with this problem over the past 5+ years, that's a coaching/development problem. Yes, BV needs to know to look at the next options if #1 isn't open. But, when he's only one of a long line of QBs who didn't do that, either, I gotta believe the staff is equally at fault.

Second case: Vandy hurt us all night by dump offs to the flats, something we almost never do. Again, it's taking what the defense is giving. Brady was the absolute best at that. If the D allowed him to throw 4-yard passes every down, he'd throw 4-yard passes 25 times in a row. Our game plan doesn't seem to figure out matchups we can exploit or defensive scheme vulnerabilities that we can exploit play after play until the opponent makes adjustments. Then, we find the next matchup/vulnerability to exploit. Should be offensive coaching 101 but we are still in remedial classes, evidently.

It's not just Hamden. It's been several OCs in a row now.

and the only common denominator ? Bloated Mark Stoops

 

[ManitouDan]

What games are you watching, this guy is terrible, cost us the game against Georgia by holding the ball to long and then fumbled, he constantly holds the ball too long, he is not good, Stoops needs too make a change and now...

its not BV, its a terrible offensive scheme ... its. 1970s big ten and it doesnt work in the SEC in 2024

 

[Rockfly78]

What games are you watching, this guy is terrible, cost us the game against Georgia by holding the ball to long and then fumbled, he constantly holds the ball too long, he is not good, Stoops needs too make a change and now...

If the backup was better then he wouldn’t be the backup.

 

[Dncmaxwell]

Guys, no offense but John Elways could play behind this line. Zero pass protection, at least 4 scores taken off the board due to penalties terrible blocking and bad kicking snaps.

Honestly I’m not sure if our best play isn’t to play Wimsatt and go back to a power run scheme. Problem there is we don’t have a great power back either.

Offense is built around the Line, always. And so is ours. Only hope is Ford is able to play and hope he is an upgrade….but don’t predict that to significantly change the direction.

Too many recruiting misses, lack of development. Farmer has had moments, E cox was OK, but Mincey and M Cox were awful. I mean a PWO from WV, and guy from Northern Illinois, and an SEC transfer on his third school trying to prove he is a tackle, but is only proving them right, that he is NOT a tackle.

This game was 100% lost by the line. #1,2 and 3 priorities this off season are transfer tables that can play at the SEC level.

 

[jwphelps]

Is another used to be 5 star prospect that peaked in high school. This is the downside of the portal. Obviously Georgia didn’t mind losing a recruiting win. Wonder why?

He is stiff throwing the ball. He makes terrible reads. He isn’t an SEC QB no matter his star rating or what school he came from. Our WR’s know it. Our fans can see it. Our coaches keep trying to not see it.

Yes he is tough and will not slide and will take a hit. That’s about the best thing I can say for our newest “he was a 5 star recruit years ago but hasn’t played a down since then” NIL QB win.

Now let’s talk punters I guess…

Maybe time to give Wimsatt more minutes and actually let him throw the ball, not just bring him in to run.

 

[CondorCat]

BVG did pass for more yards than Pavia last night. Gave up only 1 sack and had no interceptions. Hit the TD pass that gave us a chance. He wasn't great. He wasn't terrible. He's not the reason we lost. Look at the 12 penalties, rotating QBs, inconsistent offensive schemes.

This is his 3rd straight game with a RTG rating over 100 which is average to good for college QBs. Improvement after his dismal 35.2 rating in the SC game. Numbers aren't everything. The eye test says he needs a LOT of work in decision making, reads, pocket presence, etc.

 

[TucsonCat]

I would be curious what numbers are for Brock after ruining back on the field coming in for Gavin again.

But also, Wimsatt is a 100% not the answer. We know how bad he is. Brock can possibly get better with more action. It's only 6 games. Wimsatt got all the time at rutgers and he was an awful qb.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Can you imagine how long he would hold the ball if we had a good line? Get rid of it my guy.

But could also be bc he has receivers who half ass routes on some plays.

 

[bluecoon1]

I think BV has some issues with his mechanics and can’t see the whole field but a couple of his receivers also takes some plays off which doesn’t help. Biggest issue IMO is Hamdan doesn’t help him much, been obvious all season we don’t have the line to allow him to constantly take a five step drop but it takes way too long in his system for the play to develop. No screens, no slants, really nothing quick to overcome our weak line. Our last scoring drive also shows we can be effective loosening the secondary up by sending our receivers 15-20 yards downfield and getting our RBs some catches in space. All systems failure in general but our OC isn’t helping much. JMO.

 

[Rockfly78]

I would be curious what numbers are for Brock after ruining back on the field coming in for Gavin again.

But also, Wimsatt is a 100% not the answer. We know how bad he is. Brock can possibly get better with more action. It's only 6 games. Wimsatt got all the time at rutgers and he was an awful qb.

Our fans man. There are 3 years worth of data on wimstat. He has more interceptions than touchdowns in a weaker league. He’s not a good passer. But we have fans who think we need to make a change. lol

At least we are coming off of bbm and most of our folks can now exit the football discussion and flock to rafters.

 

[Rockfly78]

It’s time for Vanderpuff to have a seat. Let Wimsatt show what he's got. That deep pass to Brown didn't look to bad last night. Wimsatt with the option/play action is the way forward.

Wimstatt has shown what he’s got. 3 years at Rutgers and it was bad. There’s a reason he’s only here to run the wildcat.