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He cant shoot but he's killer in transition and penetration. He's fearless and can rebound very well for a 6'2-3 guard. Its not his stars that play him. If Murray has his motor on defense and the way he fights through contact, he'd be a top 5 pick. Once again, he plays because he plays hard and is very athletic.

This board is ridiculous. We had a bad game last night. Just because we beat UL doesnt mean that we don't need Briscoe. He doesn't have great IQ but unlike the other guys, he doesn't get scared. Stop killing the kid.
 
He cant shoot but he's killer in transition and penetration.

I don't know if he's a killer in penetration, just yet. I see him needlessly taking the ball into traffic over and over. I don't want to kill him. I just don't think he deserves the minutes he's getting right now. He needs to beat out Hawkins and Mulder, who can help this team more right now.
 
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He plays hard, he also shoots way to hard. Right now he can't put up a shot that has a chance of going in, a couple of games ago I said I didn't think he could shoot this bad all year, I'm beginning to wonder about that
 
Briscoe IS athletic. The ability to shoot a free throw or jump shot has nothing to do with athletic ability, and him stepping out of bounds has more to do with court awareness and basketball IQ. I do know that he is sneaky fast, especially considering his size, and also gets many more rebounds than you would expect.

I think Briscoe is an excellent PG against man to man, but the issue is no one is going to play man against us unless we are raining 3's. He is at his best when teams play super extended and give up lanes to drive in. The team that did that the most against us? Duke. No surprise that was one of his better games this season.

Until he develops a jump shot (and he won't this season, and probably won't at all) he is pretty useless on offense against the zone. Him driving to the lane and getting fouled also doesn't mean anything if he can't make his free throws.

The biggest way to help out Briscoe is for our other players to hit 3's and hope that makes the defense switch out of zone and into man. Then he can shine.
 
I'd like to see Hawkins take his starting spot. When he comes back from injury of course. I know Hawkins is not considered to be a good shooter, but I find it hard to believe he could be as poor a shooter as Briscoe is. Especially from the foul line. And there's not much dropoff defensively, so why not give it a shot? I figure Cal won't do it though because he's not one of his precious 5 stars.
 
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Mulder and Willis should be playing more, these guys can give this team a extra shooter, Brisco needs to be coming off the bench, he has no offense other than a driving and putting up a hail Mary shot sometimes, just my opinion..
 
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chevyman 50 said:
Mulder and Willis should be playing more, these guys can give this team a extra shooter, Brisco needs to be coming off the bench, he has no offense other than a driving and putting up a hail Mary shot sometimes, just my opinion..
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As bad of a shooter as Briscoe is, Willis is an even worse defender. There's more to basketball than shooting, and Willis doesn't get enough buckets to make up for all the ones he gives up.
 
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Briscoe is very athletic. Those that say isn't are quite frankly idiots. He and Ulis are the quickest played on the team staying in front of opposing guards defensively. Briscoe can dunk off 2 feet from a step inside the free throw line easily.

Briscoe's shooting problems are primarily mental. He definitely has lost all confidence at this point. He will come out of this. I'm not saying he will be Devin Booker next week but significant improvement will come soon.

The kid fights and plays hard. I am a fan.
 
mkasten25 said:
He cant shoot but he's killer in transition and penetration. He's fearless and can rebound very well for a 6'2-3 guard. Its not his stars that play him. If Murray has his motor on defense and the way he fights through contact, he'd be a top 5 pick. Once again, he plays because he plays hard and is very athletic.

This board is ridiculous. We had a bad game last night. Just because we beat UL doesnt mean that we don't need Briscoe. He doesn't have great IQ but unlike the other guys, he doesn't get scared. Stop killing the kid.
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The KEY to being killer in penetration is convertting the free throws when fouled. I'd bet the farm that half the posters on this board could make 50% if called upon. If the end of the world was on the line, I had to have somebody hit 1/2--I'd take grade school players over Briscoe. Free throws repetition. And he clearly isn't putting in the reps. If he makes 4 more, we're tied at one point instead of down by 4. That changes the way you play. Maybe LSU doesn't blow it open.

The loss isn't on him. Our big men are playing like jokes. It's frustrating to think he could have done so much more, but the loss definitely isn't on him.
 
Drcatfan said:
Briscoe is very athletic. Those that say isn't are quite frankly idiots. He and Ulis are the quickest played on the team staying in front of opposing guards defensively. Briscoe can dunk off 2 feet from a step inside the free throw line easily.

Briscoe's shooting problems are primarily mental. He definitely has lost all confidence at this point. He will come out of this. I'm not saying he will be Devin Booker next week but significant improvement will come soon.

The kid fights and plays hard. I am a fan.
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Briscoe should not be allowed to shoot anything other than reverse layups. If his other shots are taken instead by Murray or Ulis we have a much much better chance of winning.
 
aceman509 said:
Briscoe IS athletic. The ability to shoot a free throw or jump shot has nothing to do with athletic ability, and him stepping out of bounds has more to do with court awareness and basketball IQ. I do know that he is sneaky fast, especially considering his size, and also gets many more rebounds than you would expect.

I think Briscoe is an excellent PG against man to man, but the issue is no one is going to play man against us unless we are raining 3's. He is at his best when teams play super extended and give up lanes to drive in. The team that did that the most against us? Duke. No surprise that was one of his better games this season.

Until he develops a jump shot (and he won't this season, and probably won't at all) he is pretty useless on offense against the zone. Him driving to the lane and getting fouled also doesn't mean anything if he can't make his free throws.

The biggest way to help out Briscoe is for our other players to hit 3's and hope that makes the defense switch out of zone and into man. Then he can shine.
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He is athletic, but 6'2" athletic guys are a dime a dozen, in the league, and they can all shoot. I do not see him getting drafted, at least this year.
 
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If "athletic" is your standard than why not play Floreal? Hawkins can run fast and jump high too, and tries every bit as hard.

Give Hawkins or Mulder Briscoe's leash and they would produce more. Beside the fact that Briscoe is the worse shot I've seen at the guard position (as bad as Rondo) he also turns the ball over 20% of the time he has it. He's horrible right now.

I think he probably is a good point, and that's what he knows, and is struggling playing off of the ball. That said he should be way off the ball, as in the bench, as long as Ulis is on the roster. He can give spot minutes to rest Tyler.
 
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If "athletic" is your standard than why not play Floreal? Hawkins can run fast and jump high too, and tries every bit as hard.

Give Hawkins or Mulder Briscoe's leash and they would produce more. Beside the fact that Briscoe is the worse shot I've seen at the guard position (as bad as Rondo) he also turns the ball over 20% of the time he has it. He's horrible right now.

I think he probably is a good point, and that's what he knows, and is struggling playing off of the ball. That said he should be way off the ball, as in the bench, as long as Ulis is on the roster. He can give spot minutes to rest Tyler.
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Well Hawkins needs to get healthy to play any, and then has to show us the UL game was not a fluke. If he sucks at shooting like he normally does, no point in playing him over the superior Briscoe. I agree on Mulder though and am kinda hoping he can be a good bench contributor NEXT season with some shooting off the bench.

I am all for Briscoe playing less...if playing some of these guys less keeps them here NEXT season by all means lets do it. UK is not going anywhere with Hawkins and Mulder playing a ton of minutes, so the main benefit would be some unexpected players returning next year IMO.
 
I agree that Briscoe plays hard and his defense and rebounds are good for a guard but you can't continue to play someone that goes 1-7 at the FT line and goes 2-8 shooting and 0-3 from 3 in 30 minutes of play. In high school Briscoe shot nearly 46% shooting and 36% from 3 and in the Jordan Classic he was 3/6 from 3 and 7/8 at FT line for 22 points. It is that right now for the season Briscoe is 18/52 from the FT Line for 35% and that is terrible. He is shooting at 38% and 18% from 3. There is no way with that kind of production and numbers on offense that Briscoe can continue to play 30-35 minutes a game. We have Mulder, Willis, Matthews, and Hawkins that have better numbers and that can hit the 3 and knock down there FT's. Cal had said once that Hawkins was the most improved shooter over the summer and had improved on his 3 and what I have seen when he has not been injured is that he has improved his outside shooting game and is better at the FT Line. Cal has alot to think about and has time since we just started the SEC Season. The two big issues is underneath and who he will play at Center and if Hawkins or anyone else gets more minutes from Briscoe.
 
chevyman 50 said:
Mulder and Willis should be playing more, these guys can give this team a extra shooter, Brisco needs to be coming off the bench, he has no offense other than a driving and putting up a hail Mary shot sometimes, just my opinion..
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This ^^^ Mulder brings more to the table, he can shoot and defend. He led the team in rebounds last night, and only played 14 minutes. He hit a 3 and made both his FT's, so I guess he won't play much Saturday !
 
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Well Hawkins needs to get healthy to play any, and then has to show us the UL game was not a fluke. If he sucks at shooting like he normally does, no point in playing him over the superior Briscoe. I agree on Mulder though and am kinda hoping he can be a good bench contributor NEXT season with some shooting off the bench.

I am all for Briscoe playing less...if playing some of these guys less keeps them here NEXT season by all means lets do it. UK is not going anywhere with Hawkins and Mulder playing a ton of minutes, so the main benefit would be some unexpected players returning next year IMO.
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I didn't say give Hawkins the minutes, and im not sure what you've seen that makes Briscoe superior either. As I said, give Hawkins a 20% turnover and 35% FT leash and he'd occasional make a cool play too.

I'd prefer playing a 6'9" guy who can shoot at sf and deal with what he brings to the table. Give him some leash and you'll see he's a good passer and had decent handle for his size.

Let Briscoe be a point, just come off the bench about 10 minutes to do it.
 
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It's hard to be a PG when you can't make baskets.
Even worse when your strength is attacking the goal and when you draw a foul, you can't make the Free Throws.
Then throw in the fact that he had 3 turnovers with ZERO assists last night.

So, WHY does Cal continue to allow him to shoot the 3 or drive to the basket, not look to create a shot for a team mate, only to get fouled and miss the F.T.'s?
 
Briscoe does play hard and I appreciate that , he has issues with free throws that need to be addressed . Maybe instead of practicing free throws they should change his form altogether and start from scratch . He has an offset stance at the line , he should square up to help with aligning the shot . If that change could get the ball on the right trajectory that would only leave depth to solve .
 
Briscoe reminds me of Shelvin Mack, both 6-3, a bit too much weight, tough, more like PFs in a guard body. Neither had much of a perimeter shot. Id be ecstacic if Briscoe could develop into the type of player Mack became.
 
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Briscoe is a ball dominant PG, that's his best game. Initiating offense, pick and roll, driving and dishing. He is not an off guard, and it's quite evident. Cal is all about this "position-less" basketball thing, and believes two point guards can play together always because Bledsoe and Wall did it. Only problem is Briscoe is nowhere near the shooter Bledose is. I would love to see a half of basketball where Briscoe and Ulis roles are reversed, just to see what happens with the offense. Teams are sagging off Briscoe on the wing and clogging up the lane, whereas that wouldn't be the case with Ulis because he can make shots.
 
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Briscoe reminds me of Shelvin Mack, both 6-3, a bit too much weight, tough, more like PFs in a guard body. Neither had much of a perimeter shot. Id be ecstacic if Briscoe could develop into the type of player Mack became.
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Briscoe will be fortunate to get the results Mack has gotten over his career. Mack continues to be a favorite of mine in Atlanta.
 
Briscoe is not very athletic. He's built. He's strong. He's not a great athlete.
Briscoe is not great on penetration. He's got almost as many turnovers as assists and probably has a dozen offensive fouls.

Like I said in the other thread. Briscoe SHOULD play. He just shouldn't be getting 31 MPG.
 
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Briscoe is very athletic. Those that say isn't are quite frankly idiots. He and Ulis are the quickest played on the team staying in front of opposing guards defensively. Briscoe can dunk off 2 feet from a step inside the free throw line easily.

Briscoe's shooting problems are primarily mental. He definitely has lost all confidence at this point. He will come out of this. I'm not saying he will be Devin Booker next week but significant improvement will come soon.

The kid fights and plays hard. I am a fan.
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No.
 
FishersBlue said:
Briscoe reminds me of Shelvin Mack, both 6-3, a bit too much weight, tough, more like PFs in a guard body. Neither had much of a perimeter shot. Id be ecstacic if Briscoe could develop into the type of player Mack became.
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Shelvin Mack could shoot. Shot over 35% from 3 for his career at Butler. Close to 40% his last season.
 
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dlh331 said:
I like Briscoe but the last 5 games:

32 min/game
34% FG
12.5% From 3
4-20 on FTs for 20%.....yes that is 20%
6.6 ppg

He is KILLING our offense.

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You know, I didn't play ball in high school or anything. Haven't even played for fun in years. But I got together with some friends and played ball a couple weeks ago. Before I did, I figured I'd go down to the park and brush up on my (ahem...) skills. Just out of curiosity I shot 20 free throws. I made 5-20.

I made 5-20. I'm sorry but that kid needs to be in the gym shooting 1000 free throws a day. There is no excuse for a McD's All American point guard to be shooting free throws worse than I do.
 
A guard driving the ball alot is going to get fouled alot, he cannot make free throws, no excuse. Guards has to have a outside shot. When Ky beat the ville he did not play Ky was a better team with him on the bench..
 
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