You mean you didn't at all mean to drop the sarcastic remark about there being "no guns in Chicago" but oddly there is high gun crime in Chicago?
I bet he stood up when he said this his a@@ was probably smoking to much to sit down!!
Ok, let's play along.
Oh cool, no big deal at all then.
I mean you can almost guess which posters will have these whacky opinions based on their reaction to losing games. Pretty incredible.
Read this post it was why I commented on Chicago having a law about guns. Didn’t know it would be taking political. I in no way meant to be political. I think you are stretching politics on me on this.
It feels similar to a get away driver type scenario. If your friend asks you for a lift from the bank and you wait for him and he comes out with a sack of cash and you drive him away even if you truly didn't know he was going to rob the bank are you culpable?
First of all like I said the gun belonged to miles. Miles is 21 so there’s no doubt he can legally own the firearm. Obviously he legally obtained it. I don’t know what one scenario has to do with another. “Hey bring my gun to the bank” you could construe as intent. “Hey man bring my gun to me on the streets”. Not so much. Did Miller know that a legally obtained firearm would be used in a murder or crime:
Brandon Miller should be in custody.
Unless they put a gun to your head and say “Drive!” Yes you are culpable. Because unless your life is threatened you get the eff out of the car and run.
You are the absolute last sum bitch that should be calling someone else a disgrace. You trash the entire team and program in every gane thread.
Bad look for Oats. If your play gives somebody what ultimately becomes a MURDER WEAPON they are culpable in some fashion. To what degree will have to be determined by court of law. But they are morally culpable regardless. Even if he didn’t have a clue what they’re going to do, loaning someone a gun is suspect at best. Miller should be in custody and off the team in my book.
Yeah it was rhetorical, from every case I'm aware of whether murder or robbery the getaway driver is definitely culpable, not sure how providing a loaded weapon to someone when you know the situation is heated and remaining on site while the crime is committed is much if at all different.
Yep. That shows malicious intent. Or could be argued as such.
You don’t know the facts. You don't know where and when Brandon got the gun. You simply don't know.
In my book if you give someone your gun, you are responsible for whatever happens with it. Period. Unless your in an active shootout of zombies are coming you never gov rupture gun tk someone else. That’s just waaaaay to much risk. I mean what if they get a wild hair and shoot you with your own gun? Dumb. Dumb as hell.
It is ultimately a poltical issue because the laws vary nationwide. The example though she gave doesn’t match this one though. She stated the gun belonged to the girl and then the boyfriend used it. This gun belonged to miles not Miller. He took him his (miles) gun and did not know what would happen. Once that gun is in the hands of its rightful owner there is stupidity involved but the guy who brought it did not commit a crime. If the gun belonged to Miller or someone else then there would be problems. But this was miles gun. He is the owner. And no this has nothing to do with me wanting nate oates or anything. To me it’s getting down to whether a crime was commited by Miller or not. That’s the title of the thread. Not is nate oates good to replace cal. Or is nate oates a good person. Who flippin knows. A freshman player brought an upperclassman a weapon that belonged to the upperclassman. I don’t think there is a good answer nate oates can provide. “My player is an idiot and shouldn’t have done that”. That’s what you want to hear? Im sure attorneys have advised everyone on what to say and not to say. There was a murder committed the situation is dysfunctional to say the least. But let’s be clear on the laws and who broke them. Not who did or said something stupid in the court of public opinion.
From what I've gathered so far he was in possession of Mile's gun and returned it to him, but I still don't think that makes much if any difference.
No one died at the Capitol on 1/6 other than an unarmed female trying to crawl thru a window . Had she been shot a few blocks down the street on a random Saturday night doing the same thing , there would’ve been an uproar
Win at all costs mentality. See what I mean? This is what happens.
The murder weapon wasn’t his to supply. It belonged to the actual offender. That’s not supplying the murder weapon
I agree with alot of what you say on here, but this is bad man. We couldn’t have known because oates hid the information and tried to sweep it under the rug, miller supplied the weapon that ended a young girls left, and blocked her in so she couldn’t leave, oates should get in trouble for his tone death statement and miller should be done at bama
You seriously believe that last statement you made there? That's quite a thing to say. I feel quite confident that very very few people would be ok with that. Why would you use a hypothetical situation to compare to something that we can SEE the results of? Makes no sense.
So it wasn’t his gun? That makes some difference but not much. He could still get slapped with charges.
A lot of this is facts being reported. Didn’t this all come out in court today. I didn’t know Miller gave him a gun until today. This has to be a total embarrassment to UA. Probably why Oats fell all over himself today. He was a fool should of just said no comment on a court case. I kinda think Oats is a smarta$$ and just needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.
Exactly! He’s just as guilty!
Stupid stammers were no one died. A person DIED as a result of his players actions. His ass should take ultimate responsibly and kick them off the team. Fair or not, you hang out with criminals guess what you are seen as. And in this case it’s much worse.
Not 100% clear, lots floating out there right now, but that's what I've seen. In either case though it makes you involved in the outcome. If it wasn't my gun and my buddy asked for it back after telling me what was going down I would have told him no I'll give it to you tomorrow after things have chilled out you need to leave if you feel threatened.
Nawh man, people aren’t that stupid, they would be mad at cal, we gotta have a little bit of context and understanding here,
