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Bilas now on Valvano's show

Regardless of Pitino knowing or not knowing it still happened. The school gets hammered regardless of Pitino's knowledge or lack their of.


True..It's the same as horseracing.If a horse comes up with a bad test its the trainer (head guy) that gets hammered even if he hasn't seen the horse only to saddle it on race day...
 
Hes not wrong on some level. Technically its not the NCAA job to monitor academic issues when it doesn't pertain to sports. Theyre claiming this is an academic issue and not athletic so the NCAA doesn't have grounds there as far as I know. I don't know why though they are trying to separate the two when its clear that it was both an academic and athletic issue. Problem becomes how much do the 2 overlap and does that give NCAA the right to overstep their boundaries into academics specifically.

I don't know if that's totally correct but that's what I gather from it all. I think the grey area is what keeps UNC in the clear. Unless the classes were comprised of solely athletes they cant claim that it was an athletic issue only, therefore it becomes an academic issue with lack of oversight and control of the courses taken. So does the NCAA have any precedence if that's the case?

I think the question becomes whether or not the players would have been eligible if they didn't take these classes, and even so its an issue with the university not stopping these fraudulent classes from existing. Just such a cluster f*** of issues that it seems the NCAA doesn't totally have the power to punish UNC for what happened.

Yes, he is wrong that they violated "every rule it's ever had".
 
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Bilas: There is no way the NCAA should be taking down Louisville's banner.
NCAA: We are also taking down the 1986 banner.
Bilas: Hail to the NCAA for showing such wisdom!
 
I also want to know if it is in their by-laws that they have to let players and/or schools pay back impermissible benefits and get eligibility back. I know that's usually the case, but if it's not in stone, then I don't see how that's relevant.
It seems that sitting or paying $ back to regain eligibility (see Tubby Fax Machine) works going forward but not backwards. The games you play in when ineligible do not get whitewashed, only the games going forward after you have remedied the problem. Otherwise, Camby goes to NBA, gets paid, sends some money back and good to go?
 
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It seems that sitting or paying $ back to regain eligibility (see Tubby Fax Machine) works going forward but not backwards. The games you play in when ineligible do not get whitewashed, only the games going forward after you have remedied the problem. Otherwise, Camby goes to NBA, gets paid, sends some money back and good to go?

Good point. If they find this out after they have all left, then there can't be a resolution giving them eligibility back. Nice work.
 
Homestly, I know some on this board still like Bilas, but honest question: why?

Because 10 years ago, they read on here that he was one of the best in the business. They didn't know why then, but they parroted the line.
Then, they continued to parrot it while he was becoming a hack, because they didn't really understand what was good about him in the first place, so they didn't understand what was bad as he turned.
More are coming around to the (new) reality of Jay.
Give it 1-2 years, few will like him.
 
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Bilas can't argue against these penalties. The NCAA is an organization of rules, and the rules for ineligible players don't require the school to know about the ineligibility. The one thing this ruling is, if it is anything, is consistent with prior cases.
If true what about UNC?
 
The head coach "did not meet his monitoring responsibility."

Bilas is moving the goal posts by attempting to pin this on whether Pitino knew or not. He probably did. But even if you can't prove it, Pitino is still guilty in the eyes of the NCAA, and according to their rules.

Pretty sad that Bilas and his ilk continue to fall back on the plausible deniability defense that no longer exists. He would have made a great mob lawyer.

On the UNC stuff...if a member institution (UNC) played tricks with academics to keep players eligible, then the NCAA has every right to punish.

The NCAA has no jurisdiction over the non-athletes who may have participated in sham classes. But they certainly have the right to rule athletes retroactively ineligible. The idea that "everybody cheated" is supposed to pass as a defense for cheating is beyond laughable.
 
Something I don't hear people talking about, when the 'discussion of a monetary value' part of this comes up -- do we really want to split hairs over what a woman is worth? Even moreso that they were underage and likely not making this decision for themselves! These were CLEARLY lower income women, and to say 'well it wasn't really worth that much' is just an awful, awful thing to say. Like it really gets any better if these were the high-class hookers you saw in Wolf of Wall Street.

This whole thing is just astonishing to me. I have to hope that there is severe backlash if UL decides to downplay their penalties by saying 'well these were very low value women.' I just can't get over how disgusting that is, and that a university would even consider that line of thinking.
 
What is the status with UNC ?

Seems like that has been dragging on for a long time. How do they get away with it for so long stalling the NCAA. They are creating a blueprint to stall the NCAA v. working with it.

Did the NCAA find "lack of institutional control" with them ? What about what NCAA is accused ? How do they differ on allegations from NCAA ?
 
Homestly, I know some on this board still like Bilas, but honest question: why?
Not me. I hated him when he played hated him when he was an assistant coach hated him when he was a nobody at espn and now hate him as a big dog.
Lets put it this way I don't like bilas,never have never will.
He is the reason I don't watch espn anymore except for basketball games, and turn the sound down when bilas or vitale are doing the game.
 
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What is the status with UNC ?

Seems like that has been dragging on for a long time. How do they get away with it for so long stalling the NCAA. They are creating a blueprint to stall the NCAA v. working with it.

Did the NCAA find "lack of institutional control" with them ? What about what NCAA is accused ? How do they differ on allegations from NCAA ?
MIddle of August for UNC. The COI has come out and said there will be no more delays. But you never know...
 
One thing I heard on the radio today that I never thought of was 'what is keeping the parents of these underage boys from suing UL for providing and encouraging them to have relations with prostitutes?' Pretty good question IMO
 
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Something I don't hear people talking about, when the 'discussion of a monetary value' part of this comes up -- do we really want to split hairs over what a woman is worth? Even moreso that they were underage and likely not making this decision for themselves! These were CLEARLY lower income women, and to say 'well it wasn't really worth that much' is just an awful, awful thing to say. Like it really gets any better if these were the high-class hookers you saw in Wolf of Wall Street.

This whole thing is just astonishing to me. I have to hope that there is severe backlash if UL decides to downplay their penalties by saying 'well these were very low value women.' I just can't get over how disgusting that is, and that a university would even consider that line of thinking.

Don't be surprised if it happens, jurich is in charge.
 
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