Big 12 "Reprimands" Bob Huggins for criticizing corrupt refs in the now famous 35-2 Kansas swindle

[truebluewildcat]

I'd start walking out of games with my team. Conferences will have to act then as TV and sponsors converge on them to do something.

I mean, imagine being a TV exec or big paying advertiser banking on an audience/ratings and all of a sudden one team leaves...christ...somebody with the conference and/ or ncaa would get an all time phone call and ass chewing

35-2 that's beyond the realm of silly...

I'd respect coaches more for doing stuff like that as opposed to taking an intentional screwing or allowing themselves to fall victim to complete incompetency...F all that...if the players aren't deciding the game then why bother...

 

[Lumpy 2]

, do you honestly think that refs go into a game trying to fix it one way or the other? And the leagues condone it?

Sometimes, yes.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

I wonder what statistics there are on teams that always win their conference but have that many early round ncaa tourney exits...that shpuld tell ppl enough of how much ku gets bailed out

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Over at the Higgins Missed Calls Thread, we’ve got a bit of info on Huggins--- from the Duke Final Four debacle with DaSean Butler’s “foul” injury to Huggins pushing for reform. Here’s an excerpt from an article found at https://247sports.com/college/west-...kes-Centralizing-Evaluating-Referees-51156677

“Huggins would know about travel. The impact has already been felt by his team when they actually play the games and do so twice in four nights. But six games in seven nights obviously has an effect, and - not to pick on Higgins, but he is the poster child for this topic - Higgins ranks as one of the most "influenced" refs in the country. He calls, on average, 2.2 more fouls per game on the visitors than the home team, which ranks 239rd in the country. That more than anything has Huggins calling for a change to the system.”

Of course Coach Cal and Coach Huggins are the best of friends. Before our matchup vs. WVU, Jay Bilas went “94 Feet” with Huggins and he said Cal was his best coach friend. Higgins does not officiate good games for either coach. It’s refreshing to hear a coach say what we’re all thinking. It’s refreshing to hear him tell his team the loss was “not their fault.”

Why must the NCAA and Conferences continually promote those who make such egregious calls or no-calls? Promoting Higgins to work the Final Four after the travesty that was the Elite Eight and then receiving Ref of the Year was nothing short of unbelievable. But very telling, indeed.

His comments are pretty spot on...if the ncaa hired them and made them full time benefit employees then they could have control over them and their performance. Being independent contractors they just collect checks, build egos, and do as they please.

It's why NBA officials are that much better, bc if you eff up..you have to answer to somebody.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

There is nothing that fascinates me more than sports fans acting like there is a massive referee conspiracy. I get complaining about calls and teams who routinely get them, but do you honestly think that refs go into a game trying to fix it one way or the other? And the leagues condone it?

These places are printing money and the refs make a good living. Why give that up for possible jail time? So that KU can win a 14th straight title, like that is good for anyone other than t-shirt manufacturers? And why wouldn't Texas and Oklahoma, the money makers in the conference, have a problem with this?

When referees claim we are human, we make mistakes..you can also say they are human and have bias.

It's not imaginary

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...gated-for-targeting-arizonas-sean-miller/amp/

 

[Cat in ga]

There is nothing that fascinates me more than sports fans acting like there is a massive referee conspiracy. I get complaining about calls and teams who routinely get them, but do you honestly think that refs go into a game trying to fix it one way or the other? And the leagues condone it?

These places are printing money and the refs make a good living. Why give that up for possible jail time? So that KU can win a 14th straight title, like that is good for anyone other than t-shirt manufacturers? And why wouldn't Texas and Oklahoma, the money makers in the conference, have a problem with this?

35-2 if you dont see a problem there, you need thicker lenses.

 

[JPScott]

I get more and more astounded at how corrupt some refs are and how little the people in charge of them care! How does this continue to happen?

Because the people put in charge of overseeing these guys are former refs. Don’t know if he still is but the Big 12 supervisor of officials was Curtis Shaw, one of the most corrupt refs himself.

 

[pauled]

Refs have the only job in the country where they don’t have to answer for the job they do! Seem like a great profession.

 

[Stonewall12]

I don't know how Self could shake Huggins hand after that game.

 

[Jayrodt]

When referees claim we are human, we make mistakes..you can also say they are human and have bias.

It's not imaginary

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...gated-for-targeting-arizonas-sean-miller/amp/

Of course they have biases. Everyone has biases. That doesn't make them corrupt and it doesn't mean they are trying to make one team win.

 

[Jayrodt]

35-2 if you dont see a problem there, you need thicker lenses.

Jay Bilas must also need glasses as well as Mark Titus. And several others who watched the game with no allegiance to a narrative and thought that it was called pretty evenly. There were plenty of ticky tac whistles on Kansas. They just weren't anywhere near the hoop.

 

[Lumpy 2]

Of course they have biases. Everyone has biases. That doesn't make them corrupt and it doesn't mean they are trying to make one team win.

I think the head of officiating offering a offering a referee $5,000 to toss a coach would be the definition of corruption.

 

[Jayrodt]

Sometimes, yes.

Then have fun with your red yarn connecting pictures of Higgins to Julian Assange and Coach K.

 

[Jayrodt]

I think the head of officiating offering a offering a referee $5,000 to toss a coach would be the definition of corruption.

Inappropriate. Not corrupt.

A. It was said in jest to drive home the point that the refs were too afraid to toss him for the same thing they would toss another coach for.

B. The head of officiating wasn't getting any sort of kick back for offering the reward or having Miller ejected. Other than what he thought was the refa doing their job. So the corruption part kind of loses track anyway.

Unless I'm misremembering the story.

 

[CatPhight]

Then have fun with your red yarn connecting pictures of Higgins to Julian Assange and Coach K.

Here's to March

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

A few weeks back during the Big12 vs. SEC Challenge in the Georgia/Kansas St. game in Manhattan, Bulldogs coach Mark Fox was complaining about a call and the TV mic caught him actually saying "Come on, this isn't Lawrence!"
The announcer and color commentator both mentioned it, laughed and agreed with the inference of Fox's comment.
So, the favorable whistle that KU gets on its home court, especially in the final 10 minutes is notorious all across college basketball.
Denying it is foolish.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Of course they have biases. Everyone has biases. That doesn't make them corrupt and it doesn't mean they are trying to make one team win.

So you didn't read the article I just posted. And the fbi just busted schools for cheating to win before the season, as well as kansas...but you think it's impossible independent contractors who work as many games as possible to get paid couldn't be influenced at all...by money from schools or elsewhere...okay.

Still...the correlation that KU always wins their conference and at home in come from behind wins ..yet loses time and time again in the 2nd rd of the ncaa when they casnt come up with that same magic is pretty telling

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Inappropriate. Not corrupt.

A. It was said in jest to drive home the point that the refs were too afraid to toss him for the same thing they would toss another coach for.

B. The head of officiating wasn't getting any sort of kick back for offering the reward or having Miller ejected. Other than what he thought was the refa doing their job. So the corruption part kind of loses track anyway.

Unless I'm misremembering the story.

Rock Chalk JayWalk

 

[Schwagg]

The question is what would Kansas & Squirrelhead really be without all this artificial help? KU is really not that good. Most of their accolades happen during big 12 play because of extremely biased officiating. They are favored in almost every tournament game but only win half their games vs teams that aren't a 15 or 16 seed. Funny how Fran says officials get caught up in the moment. Then why in the hell does KU get all the calls at KSU & at every other big 12 venue?

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Jay Bilas must also need glasses as well as Mark Titus. And several others who watched the game with no allegiance to a narrative and thought that it was called pretty evenly. There were plenty of ticky tac whistles on Kansas. They just weren't anywhere near the hoop.[/QU

Kind of like the commentators pointing out 1 or 2 bad calls at most on TV games even though we see a ton more than that. Why don't they point out every bad call and just bring up 1 a game on national TV? I would say it is an entity that TV announcers should not make people employed be the NCAA look bad. Has anyone ever seen a TV announcer point out numerous bad calls during any game, point out any rogue ref or just blast the job they do? Wonder why? Going by what a TV announcer says is almost meaningless because of the politics involved and yes there are bias TV announcers. I would suggest watching the replay closely and look at the numbers to make your own conclusion.

 

[Cat in ga]

Jay Bilas must also need glasses as well as Mark Titus. And several others who watched the game with no allegiance to a narrative and thought that it was called pretty evenly. There were plenty of ticky tac whistles on Kansas. They just weren't anywhere near the hoop.

Jay Espn Biased I mean Bilas. Yeah he needs some thicker lens as well. 35-2 you can't explain that away. Try as you will. I ain't hearing it.

 

[Cali-Hawk]

I wonder what statistics there are on teams that always win their conference but have that many early round ncaa tourney exits...that shpuld tell ppl enough of how much ku gets bailed out

NCAAT Victories Last Decade:

UNC - 31
KU - 27
UK - 26
Everyone else (only 4 above 20)

It’s viewed as a failure if Self loses in the Elite Eight while every other coach has missed the tournament at some point. His lowest seed was a 4 in his 1st year.

 

[Schwagg]

Almost half of KU's wins are vs 15 or 16 seeds. Hip Hip Hooray! - lets win our conference & get the muther ****** crap kicked out of us when we play real teams. That is Kansas. That is the truth. Put that in your pipe & smoke it. I bet it is straight ghetto schwagg.

 

[jmmcgr02]

Ken Pom's list of home court advantage based on the # of fouls calls at home versus on the road in conf games

Team Conf PF
1 Alabama SEC -5.8
2 Illinois St. MVC -5.5
3 Evansville MVC -5.3
4 South Carolina SEC -5.3
5 Iowa B10 -5.2
6 Iowa St. B12 -5.1
7 Oklahoma St. B12 -5
7 LSU SEC -5
9 Missouri St. MVC -4.9
10 Georgia SEC -4.9
11 Nebraska B10 -4.9
12 Dayton A10 -4.8
13 Wake Forest ACC -4.8
13 Missouri SEC -4.8
15 Tennessee SEC -4.8
16 Saint Louis A10 -4.6
17 Massachusetts A10 -4.6
17 Indiana St. MVC -4.6
19 Mississippi St. SEC -4.6
20 Michigan St. B10 -4.6
21 Purdue B10 -4.6
22 Arkansas SEC -4.5
23 Western Kentucky CUSA -4.5
23 Fresno St. MWC -4.5
25 Texas Tech B12 -4.5
25 Kentucky SEC -4.5
27 Memphis Amer -4.5
27 Texas A&M SEC -4.5
27 Georgetown BE -4.5
30 Auburn SEC -4.5
31 Southern Illinois MVC -4.4
32 Kansas B12 -4.4
33 Minnesota B10 -4.4
34 Baylor B12 -4.3
35 Mississippi SEC -4.3

 

[docholiday51]

That is a nice list but KU's greatest advantage is the number of fouls that are not called on them that should be called.There is not a metric for officials ignoring obvious calls that should be made.

 

[Schwagg]

Bill Self is numero uno on Ken Pommy's list of cross dressing, wig wearing, schizophrenics. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

 

[KY_BBN]

NCAAT Victories Last Decade:

UNC - 31
KU - 27
UK - 26
Everyone else (only 4 above 20)

It’s viewed as a failure if Self loses in the Elite Eight while every other coach has missed the tournament at some point. His lowest seed was a 4 in his 1st year.

You just proved the point that everyone makes about Self, he racks up wins against his meaningless conference with the help of the officials to get a good seed. The embarrassing thing isn’t that this happens, it’s that he still can’t do anything with it once it’s given to him (as long as your criteria is final fours and not conference championships, which applies to every “blue-blood” but one).

 

[bluegrass1985]

NCAAT Victories Last Decade:

UNC - 31
KU - 27
UK - 26
Everyone else (only 4 above 20)

It’s viewed as a failure if Self loses in the Elite Eight while every other coach has missed the tournament at some point. His lowest seed was a 4 in his 1st year.

but but but...kansas always chokes!

 

[RC_Texas]

Here is what Jay Bilas wrote....

“West Virginia

There was quite a stir after the Mountaineers blew a double-digit lead in a loss to Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence. West Virginia coach Bob Huggins was tossed after vociferously pointing out the free throw disparity, which was 35-2 at the end of the game. Many fans and others around the basketball community pointed to the disparity as clear evidence that something was wrong.

Well, I sat courtside for that game, and there was nothing wrong. Were there some missed calls? Yes. Did the officials miss the call that was the last straw for Huggins? Yes. I watched the game again, and there were about 15 calls that should have or could have been called. But nine of those calls should have or could have gone against West Virginia, including an offensive basket interference call against the Mountaineers that went uncalled and resulted in a bucket.

Free throw disparity is a function of style of play and how teams play on that day. West Virginia settled for a lot of jump shots, while Kansas drove the ball into the lane and punched the ball into its big guy, Udoka Azubuike. West Virginia presses and fouls more than most teams, and it allows more free throws by opponents than all but 13 Division I teams. Kansas does not play pressure defense, and it is in the top 20 in Division I in allowing the fewest free throws. The officials made some mistakes, yes. But the officials did not cost West Virginia the game. The Mountaineers did that all by themselves.”

Bilas may not be as colorful as Schwaggy Pee but definitely more knowledgeable.

 

[Ben101er]

Http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...99/big-12-reprimands-bob-huggins-calling-refs

The big 12 is glad & proud of the officiating in this game. Unbelievable.

You can't say anything that takes away from a KU victory. Big 12 is obsessed with them winning another conference championship. That is why the officiating is as bad as it is.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

NCAAT Victories Last Decade:

UNC - 31
KU - 27
UK - 26
Everyone else (only 4 above 20)

It’s viewed as a failure if Self loses in the Elite Eight while every other coach has missed the tournament at some point. His lowest seed was a 4 in his 1st year.

If games are given to you that should be losses the seed will increase .
Now go protect the rapsits.

 

[Cat in ga]

Ken Pom's list of home court advantage based on the # of fouls calls at home versus on the road in conf games

Team Conf PF
1 Alabama SEC -5.8
2 Illinois St. MVC -5.5
3 Evansville MVC -5.3
4 South Carolina SEC -5.3
5 Iowa B10 -5.2
6 Iowa St. B12 -5.1
7 Oklahoma St. B12 -5
7 LSU SEC -5
9 Missouri St. MVC -4.9
10 Georgia SEC -4.9
11 Nebraska B10 -4.9
12 Dayton A10 -4.8
13 Wake Forest ACC -4.8
13 Missouri SEC -4.8
15 Tennessee SEC -4.8
16 Saint Louis A10 -4.6
17 Massachusetts A10 -4.6
17 Indiana St. MVC -4.6
19 Mississippi St. SEC -4.6
20 Michigan St. B10 -4.6
21 Purdue B10 -4.6
22 Arkansas SEC -4.5
23 Western Kentucky CUSA -4.5
23 Fresno St. MWC -4.5
25 Texas Tech B12 -4.5
25 Kentucky SEC -4.5
27 Memphis Amer -4.5
27 Texas A&M SEC -4.5
27 Georgetown BE -4.5
30 Auburn SEC -4.5
31 Southern Illinois MVC -4.4
32 Kansas B12 -4.4
33 Minnesota B10 -4.4
34 Baylor B12 -4.3
35 Mississippi SEC -4.3

# of times one team shot 35 free throws and the other 2? Once

 

[KyFaninNC]

Jay Bilas must also need glasses as well as Mark Titus.

juck Fay Jilas

 

[Cat in ga]

juck Fay Jilas

Blind bastards