Beer at Kroger on the way???

[JHB4UK]

Jacob Heil, 18 at the time of the crash/death was acquitted of homicide in the 4 yr old's death. He was found guilty of DUI.

His lawyers played on the sympathy of the jury, that convicting a "kid" (18 at time of the dui in 2018) of homicide would be a death sentence ending his life, effectively causing 2 deaths from 1 accident, not just 1. Also blamed the 4 yr old for being 1 step off the curb onto the road. Sleezy, but it worked.

 

[Tskware]

Also I think his blood alcohol content was below 0.08, the only reason it was DUI was because he was below 21 think the limit is 0.05 at that age but don't quote me on that not 100% certain

We can all agree it was a tragic accident but I don't see that affecting beer sales at Commonwealth Stadium or anywhere else.

 

[StubbornPenny]

The dumbest part about MB’s quixotic efforts was that it was always doomed to fail. This was always going to happen.

Excellent use of quixotic, one of my favorite words. He truly was fighting windmills that might have been giants.

 

[JHB4UK]

Bud Light $9, Mic Ultra $10

 

[JumperJack]

Can we get the Beer Barrel back please? Now that we might occasionally win it?

 

[Tskware]

Bud Light $9, Mic Ultra $10

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I had one the prices were about what I expected to be honest

 

[Chum83]

Also I think his blood alcohol content was below 0.08, the only reason it was DUI was because he was below 21 think the limit is 0.05 at that age but don't quote me on that not 100% certain

We can all agree it was a tragic accident but I don't see that affecting beer sales at Commonwealth Stadium or anywhere else.

Pretty close. His BAC was .038 (less than half the limit for >21). Legal limit is only .02 for <21. His story of 2 beers earlier in the day (the story every drunk driver tells the police) is actually probably true. I would say the vast majority don’t know the facts or even the results of the case, (and I’m not saying those facts would or even should change someone’s mind-that’s up to the individual), but it obviously changed a jury’s mind. Knowing the facts, I feel it should have zero bearing on alcohol sales. Others may disagree (whether they know what happened or not) and public perception of that event does not align with the facts, so public perception actually may have had an influence in the delay of alcohol sales at CWS/Kroger Field (along with Barnhart’s personal beliefs). People use that event where a guy wasn’t drinking at CWS and wouldn’t even be allowed to drink if it were sold there just to support their stance, when in reality the two are not connected at all.

You are right though- it was obviously a tragic accident whether the guy was impaired or not. Very sad.

My personal views: I haven’t had a beer more than a few times since I found out my wife was pregnant a little over 9 months ago (we have an 8 week old now), and I may or may not choose to have a beer at a game (whether sold there or tailgating), but I do think it should at least be available as an option.

 

[Tskware]

My personal views: I haven’t had a beer more than a few times since I found out my wife was pregnant a little over 9 months ago (we have an 8 week old now), and I may or may not choose to have a beer at a game (whether sold there or tailgating), but I do think it should at least be available as an option.

Good for you and thanks for the post. I cut my alcohol consumption considerably over the last year or so (never had a problem, but it was a bad habit and was a lot of empty calories), and cut out sweets and desserts since 1-1-2023. Have lost six pounds since the holidays, which for a guy my size means something, about 2 more to go and then I want to maintain.

 

[truebluewildcat]

Lexington has some good breweries. UK ought to patronize those along with $1 16oz PBRs.

Would agree local breweries need to be brought into the fold with this. Great way to help local businesses and promote "kentucky proud" products.

The rich have had alcohol in their corner trailer home lux boxes since 1999

Even larger number of rich got access to alcohol with the improvement additional sideline lux boxes & new club level/makers mark section in 2015

Not letting Joe Farmworker, Jim Factoryworker, Jon Garbageman have access to an adult beverage in his $40 bleacher spot during that same time is such insulting anti working class, pro wealthy policy by Barnhart

I understand the argument. It's not a great policy or look for a few to have access and the many to not.

However, from a strictly logistical/game day management standpoint. A handful of rich folks in a certain area is a lot easier to manage and contain. The potential problems are much fewer.

At stadium wide scale, many thousands of "regular folks" getting access to alcohol is a new pandora's box...and they're not going to have just one beverage.

I'm not necessarily against it for economic reasons, especially now that players have to get paid which is why I think this is probably coming back to the table. Some folks ran the numbers on what adding 400 athletes to the pay roll would look like and said "yeah maybe we should start selling beer for $7..." but I digress that's for another thread.

More alcohol, more problems. So, it's not just as simple as "just sell beer". Okay, great. Now security has to be beefed up. More altercations and general unruliness.

Custodians are tapped out as it is without drunks now, you're asking them to clean up more vomit up, down, all around the stadium.

Game staff and blue coats. Much like custodians, and security, these folks have their hands full with normal fans. Now they have to deal with an increase in fans under the influence.

Ems...increase in alcohol related issues...more people fainting, going down due too much booze, not enough water...especially early in the season when it's hot.

General game day experience by all. That comes into play. Now you're going to have more disgruntled fan issues because they sat around a bunch of drunk folks who made things less enjoyable.

 

[SPECT imaging]

IMO alcohol sales at The Krog would have happened years ago if not for the POS UK frat boy who DUI killed a little kid after a football game in 2018

How do you know he was a POS? Maybe he was just intoxicated?

 

[Tskware]

Would agree local breweries need to be brought into the fold with this. Great way to help local businesses and promote "kentucky proud" products.



I understand the argument. It's not a great policy or look for a few to have access and the many to not.

However, from a strictly logistical/game day management standpoint. A handful of rich folks in a certain area is a lot easier to manage and contain. The potential problems are much fewer.

At stadium wide scale, many thousands of "regular folks" getting access to alcohol is a new pandora's box...and they're not going to have just one beverage.

I'm not necessarily against it for economic reasons, especially now that players have to get paid which is why I think this is probably coming back to the table. Some folks ran the numbers on what adding 400 athletes to the pay roll would look like and said "yeah maybe we should start selling beer for $7..." but I digress that's for another thread.

More alcohol, more problems. So, it's not just as simple as "just sell beer". Okay, great. Now security has to be beefed up. More altercations and general unruliness.

Custodians are tapped out as it is without drunks now, you're asking them to clean up more vomit up, down, all around the stadium.

Game staff and blue coats. Much like custodians, and security, these folks have their hands full with normal fans. Now they have to deal with an increase in fans under the influence.

Ems...increase in alcohol related issues...more people fainting, going down due too much booze, not enough water...especially early in the season when it's hot.

General game day experience by all. That comes into play. Now you're going to have more disgruntled fan issues because they sat around a bunch of drunk folks who made things less enjoyable.

Why are these problems unique to CWS as opposed to the other 10,000 venues that sell alcohol? Including dozens in Kentucky?

 

[truebluewildcat]

Why are these problems unique to CWS as opposed to the other 10,000 venues that sell alcohol? Including dozens in Kentucky?

It's not a matter of whether or not they're unique but whether or not UK wants to deal with them.

Up until now it seems University brass has not wanted to deal with what comes with alcohol sells.

I reckon a real honest poll of those 10,000 others would reveal that they would just as soon not deal with the drunk masses, that all the issues are a pain in the ass. Especially the frontline workers.

Again, not against it. I just think there's a lot more to it than "just sell beer". Also, it's really easy to sign others up to deal with sh*t.

Kind of like hiring coaches. There's always a list, and a lot of times one of the main reasons against certain coaches is "oh...don't hire him, he's got baggage...we don't want to deal with everything that comes with him..."...and that's just one guy whose baggage ultimately wouldn't affect any fan or worker in the slightest.

Lot of baggage comes with alcohol, and it affects lots of people.

Every year there are multiple threads about visiting other stadiums and having less than desirable experiences because of the other teams fans...that's alcohol folks.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I really hope Kentucky starts selling beers at football games 🙏🏽🍺

 

[EdgeHD]

It's not a matter of whether or not they're unique but whether or not UK wants to deal with them.

Up until now it seems University brass has not wanted to deal with what comes with alcohol sells.

I reckon a real honest poll of those 10,000 others would reveal that they would just as soon not deal with the drunk masses, that all the issues are a pain in the ass. Especially the frontline workers.

Again, not against it. I just think there's a lot more to it than "just sell beer". Also, it's really easy to sign others up to deal with sh*t.

Kind of like hiring coaches. There's always a list, and a lot of times one of the main reasons against certain coaches is "oh...don't hire him, he's got baggage...we don't want to deal with everything that comes with him..."...and that's just one guy whose baggage ultimately wouldn't affect any fan or worker in the slightest.

Lot of baggage comes with alcohol, and it affects lots of people.

Every year there are multiple threads about visiting other stadiums and having less than desirable experiences because of the other teams fans...that's alcohol folks.

Yes a lot of baggage comes with it. Like drunk, obnoxious people in the stadium and drunk drivers outside the stadium. People bring their kids to the games. The kids do not want to listen to drunk people yelling at the coach. If someone cannot get through a game without beer in their hand, that's their problem.

 

[bananapants]

Well that would suck. As it is now, we can play it cool and sneak in all the alcohol we want. Some of you are begging for $12 Bud Lights.

 

[Madcat62]

Lexington has some good breweries. UK ought to patronize those along with $1 16oz PBRs.

most likely $8 for a 12oz

 

[Seth_C]

Can’t wait for $8 craft beer night!

Good luck with that. It’s nearly that expensive at the breweries in town. Think $12 craft beer night and you might be closer.

 

[rqarnold]

Couple of thoughts:

First, as I recall (am 99% sure) the "frat boy that killed the kid after a game" was actually acquitted at trial, in case that fact is of any interest.

Second, there are literally dozens of venues that must sell 1000s upon 1000s of beer and other alcohol all across the country nearly every day, and although drunk driving is deadly serious, and rightly carries severe criminal penalties, I can't believe selling beer at one more football or baseball stadium is going to make one iota of difference. Most serious drunk driving crashes seem to happen late at night or real early in the morning, and as often as not the perps are people that are blind drunk, not football fans heading home after a game.

Third, I will certainly buy beer at both stadiums but I do see one practical problem, everyone in the center sections at the baseball stadium has a chair back seat with a cup holder. That is definitely not true at CWS, I have 20 yard line seats in the lower bowl, but the aisles are pretty narrow and no place to park a drink, they need to add cup holders or there will be a lot of beer spilled and a lot of PO'ed fans for no reason. It is a little thing which could be added pretty easily I would think and would avoid unnecessary arguments.

Add cup holders to bleachers?
Are there a lot of spilled drinks at games today?