Barion Brown runs a route
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Obviously, coming back is the thing to do in that situation. But did Brown end up back-pedaling instead because the pass was too high/long and would otherwise sailed right over his head had he completed the comeback? It is hard to tell from that angle alone. It looked like Brown had the right idea at first but had to adjust on the fly because the ball was poorly thrown for the way the play was developing. If your WR is going to bail out the QB by doing a comeback on a route, then the QB should bail out the receiver by putting the ball in front of him where only the WR has a play on the ball, not over his head/behind him.
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I don’t believe that for a minute
Then why did Brown back-pedal? Adjusting for the ball is the only reasonable explanation for why Brown did what he did after committing to the comeback. I am no huge fan of Barion Brown and agree that he's had a poor history of effort when it comes to route running. But this video is not one of those examples.
The pass was delivered shoulder high. Was not overthrown to the point brown had to back pedal. Why he back pedaled there is nonsensical.
This is part execution and part coaching. You can run this 500 times in practice but if the defender does something different or if the quarterback is being rushed, it throws the whole play off. One thing I don’t understand is why on 3rd and long, our receivers don’t go one yard past the line to get.
Dude...watch the video and listen to Van Hiles
1. Backpedalling the ball would have hit Barion in the numbers to the pads....
2. If he would have come back to the ball, it would have been helmet high to his hands.
Nobody teaches an out route is curved that much and then go to backpedal....you keep your feet towards the sideline or back to the ball. It is week 11 and Barion is still jogging thru routes and looking like a middle school kid in precision of route....Woodard/Coen either don't break down the film, are scared to address Barion, etc...not being well coached IMO.
1. Backpedalling the ball would have hit Barion in the numbers to the pads....
2. If he would have come back to the ball, it would have been helmet high to his hands.
Nobody teaches an out route is curved that much and then go to backpedal....you keep your feet towards the sideline or back to the ball. It is week 11 and Barion is still jogging thru routes and looking like a middle school kid in precision of route....Woodard/Coen either don't break down the film, are scared to address Barion, etc...not being well coached IMO.
Maybe because he didn’t want to get hit . Who knows. And there’s been more than a lack of effort when it comes to Browns route running . Lack of attention to detail , terrible technique,and football IQ have been terrible. And THIS is one of those examples
Hopefully Browns days are numbered on this campus
We’ve wasted a season trying to feature him - we paid big NIL dollars for sub par effort & performances
We’ve wasted a season trying to feature him - we paid big NIL dollars for sub par effort & performances
IMO, Brown will be out the door with another NIL offer after this season. He'll probably wind up at a program that won't coddle him, and he'll be a lot better for it. You'll see him running routes and fighting for the ball then.
Brown backpeddled trying to get a pass interference call on the DB on that play.
It was obvious.
Could be true...and would suck if that is how it turns out. Hopefully the staff matures and learns that this NIL/portal....you can't coddle dudes and hope they'll stick. Coach the game the way it's meant to be and how it pans out is how it pans out.
If this is true....I'm sort of surprised. We've had high rated dudes that never earned a spot and thusly they either earned or left. Kiyante Goodwin, Mikel Horton a ways back at RB, John Young OLine, Juistin Rogers had to work his way to starter, Jared Casey, etc....Why Barion has been allowed to do this mess and get way more targets....is truly out of culture for Stoops team.
Awful. No way is he worth the $$$, the focused play calling etc. Im sure other players have seen his lack of effort but still being coddled and allowed as much PT as he has gotten has caused team issues. Reverses, returns, fly routes (if he could catch) are about all he is worth. Dane Key has had some drop issues and of course that fumble but hopefully his effort has been there. Brown needs to shape up or ship out. I feared losing him last year and honestly at this point we would have been better off.
True, a piss-poor attempt by Brown but Rodgers also said Leary was about a click late delivering the ball. FWIW.
That's true he should have checked out, maybe he was waiting for Barion to adjust who knows? Just piss poor execution.
Have we thrown a pass to him all year ?
I don’t know if I am the only one, but Van Hiles analysis can become addictive.
Van is the track coach at his daughters high school. This year they talked him into coaching defensive backs with the football team. So far they have 21 interceptions and 6 pick sixes, lol .
What is the market for a poor route running, finesse, shaky handed receiver whose value has been lessened due to team's ability to create touchbacks on kickoffs. He could be a factor in the punt return game, but you can't trust his hands to secure the ball. NIL Value Low
Probably more than you would think. You can't coach speed, and the other issues can be worked out (or he doesn't make it). Some of these programs have lots of NIL cash to burn.
Also if you notice when he did make his cut to the left he cut on his left leg instead of his right leg. Cutting on his right leg to the left would have allowed him to make a sharper quicker cut, wouldn't it?
You always come back in that situation. Every time. Last year I started posting about the incredibly bizarre backpedaling in his routes. He just isn't a natural pass catcher at all. That's why it's so insane to keep going deep to him.
Also fyi van showed all 3 deep passes were brown's fault because of his inability to track the ball. Each time he altered his path or slowed down and the ball landed right where he should've been. I didn't catch that live on tv but he did a great job showing it
It's pretty crazy how much heat Leary takes because our wrs are mostly awful and the OC forces him to target the worst one.
He did but he was wrong. Rodgers struck me as someone winging it with zero tape time. He talked all night how Leary throws only fastballs. Was woefully unprepared
I tend to agree. It was so blatant it’s either that or he was shaving points.
When I saw those films of Brown trying to track the football, I honestly wondered if maybe he needs glasses .
Same here. At least that would explain it. Still....no clue why he backpedals. I can guarantee that was never coached.
Bad HS habits overcome by talent…. Amazing that it hasnt been coached out of him in college
That seems to be a recurring theme: overlook the open guy to throw to Brown or first option. On several plays Saturday, the ball went outside the hashmarks when a receiver was breaking open across the middle. And, God forbid, we dump the ball off to a RB for 4 yards instead of forcing the ball downfield for incompletions.
Van Hiles' analysis is awesome. I can see that the play design is solid and receivers are open. What I don't understand is why we throw to the wrong guy more often than to the second or third option who is open. Either Leary (and Levis before him) doesn't understand the scheme and how to read defenses or Coen is doing a lousy job of coaching the QB position.
No I don’t believe so. Brown has a tendency to drift and wait on the ball. He had a completion either this game or Alabama where he drifted so much that he almost gave the safety space to recover and make a play.
It’s been a trend his 2 years here. He’s constant shy and doesn’t run good routes which is why he struggles to create space. He’s use to his athleticism getting him open at the lower levels and running by ppl. When the athleticism gap closes, you need to run crisp routes with good timing to create throwing windows. He hasn’t learned that yet whether you want to blame the coaches or his execution
There is a big difference between athletic tools and skills. Dane Key and Barion Brown have tremendous athletic tools. They are not developing. They don't recognize zone coverages. They don't understand when to break off a route and scramble for their QB. They drop passes thrown on their numbers. These guys are fantastic talents. Again, I believe Coach Woodward and Coach Yenser must be fired and replaced by experienced position coaches who can get it done in the SEC. I just hope it isn't too late. By that, I mean that Stoops will lose more players in the portal this time but we really can't afford to lose these two.
coaches.... because they're the ones that ultimately play him and accept his deficiencies...
If only that was all they did. Instead they coddle and throw two games trying to make sure we gets enough touches.
Imo Dane clearly progressed this year and was definitely the most gifted route runner. He's by far the best ball tracker and contested catches. He actually made some very good racs too just lost one to fumble.
Disagree on the can't lose brown front. He's a net negative for us except special teams. I can't tell if he's not coachable or if the coaches won't hold him accountable for fear of transfer.
Could be a maturity issue with Brown, hope he grows up and stays. Despite the negativity surrounding him he does have 1000+ career receiving yards.
Saw a stat the Mizzou RB at half had 22 carries for almost 200 yards. If it was Davis with those stats, you'd have the staff wringing their hands trying to find a way to get brown touches and talking about commitment to the pass game.
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