Take away Davis and we don't sniff the EE.
Jesus, if you're gonna troll at least do it well lol
Take away Davis and we don't sniff the EE.
Jesus, if you're gonna troll at least do it well lol
Keep moving the goalposts, that is what UL fans usually do...
First you say freshman dominated teams cant win - proven wrong, then change to cant win without Miller...
Do you believe UK, not going to say us so as not to confuse anyone, could have won without the 3 freshmen or either sophomore?
You have been outed as saying Cal has underachieved by not winning more titles and now say it is impossible for him to win a title (even though he just did a few years ago).
Im not sure you actually warrant a discussion when surreptitiously insinuating a negative regardless of the answers provided.
Logic can be frustrating. The NBA is an open game. Shooters everywhere and wider lanes means more space to work in. That in itself opens up so much for everyone.
No one in their right mind would ever want a freshman Bamba over Bam. You would just have to be a retard( I know we ain't supposed to use that word but still) . Bam would of been the the best big man in college as a sophomore IMO. Bamba will be a top 10 center ( as will Richards ) but Bam would of THE center in college next season.
Everybody has a right to their own opinion but not all opinions are equal. Especially one as flawed as yours. You're definitely not a UK fan. I'd be willing to bet you're a Little Brother fan since they're the kings of stupidity.
Your use of the term "UK fans" reads as if you're referring to a group to which you don't belong.
You made up a hypothetical (that we won't win a title in the next 7 years) then made up what UK fans would say about it, and then wrote an entire paragraph saying you don't agree with what you made up UK fans would say.
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5 years ago actually.
How many teams win a title less than every 5 years?
The good news is Cal has time to create an even bigger legacy. He has time to win more titles.
I'm sure you are very excited about that...
I'm sure even after 15 years of top recruiting classes and still only the lone title to show for it
But you said it was impossible to win a title with a majority of freshmen (which we did in 2012) so why is this disappointing?
If he does win another with a majority of freshmen then he must be a spectacular coach according to your previous statements.
I just worry that the object of competing (which is to win titles) is being lost on many, and worse, brainwashed.
Again, I'm sure this worries you at night lying in bed...
Only hard headed fans and rivals use the titles-only reasoning. If that were the case we wouldn't have any fans left after the 1978 to 1996 drought or 98 to 12 drought.
Hell, IU would have shut down their team and the pathetic prostitutes up I-64 would never have built the pimp palace.
But you are still a card fan after all of those non-title seasons, even with the thug issues of beating a GF's dad, the drugs, dead cheerleaders, restaurant romps, suspensions, losses to Morehead, and of course the vacated NCAA punishments due to coaches paying underaged prostitutes for underaged recruits.
Our fans will be fine. We appreciate your concern.
Never claimed to be die-hard UK fan
Really? Why are you so embarrassed to admit you are a UL fan?
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You made up a hypothetical (that we won't win a title in the next 7 years) then made up what UK fans would say about it, and then wrote an entire paragraph saying you don't agree with what you made up UK fans would say.
The only thing that needs to be said about any of it. I can't imagine actually arguing with someone who is so into arguing with themselves, or why anyone here is doing so. 'Fantasy Fandom' now available at ESPN and Yahoo.
Yea my comment was not a knock on our coaching staff at all, I am 100% pleased with them, just odd how much better they look by the nba summer ball season
What other things you aren't a fan of do you spend your time and money on?
What a sad existence. Explains a lot.
Watched a lot of it yesterday. When he learns to slow down on his post ups he's gonna be tough to handle. There's an art to it and he's getting there. You have to work it slowly then explode when the opportunity presents itself. He's such a hard worker and great kid no doubt he's gonna be a steal in this draft.
Absolutely devide his min up between Lamb MKG and throw Willis a couple more min a game and u bet we still win it all. Or we sign another 5 star wing. Yes we win it all
While I agree with your point. Willis was part of that 2013 class.
So what you are saying is that youth wasn't a factor in 2012, Cal proved you can win with a team made up of majority freshmen. Being young didn't hurt us.
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In college, Bam mysteriously fouls the other teams to give them 17 free throw attempts. As we all knew, he was made for the NBA and not the shackles of college where youre punished for being bigger and stronger than your opponent ala Cousins.
There's just clearly an effort made in college to even the playing field IMO. At least it feels that way to me once we get into SEC play. Maybe it's just a conference thing.
There's just no denying the way our games are officiated change drastically once we get into conference play. I don't know if the officials are just getting caught up in the road atmosphere or sec higher ups are telling them to make it look interesting. Who knows. It's definitely different though.
There's just no denying the way our games are officiated change drastically once we get into conference play. I don't know if the officials are just getting caught up in the road atmosphere or sec higher ups are telling them to make it look interesting. Who knows. It's definitely different though.
WTF?
YOU said a freshman laden team can't win it all!
and who the hell is us?
GTFOH,
I would hope, and I know this wouldn't be every case but the staff having them for preseason practice, individual workouts, and practice during the season prepares them for the way they perform for the pros. I think Cal, Kenny, and the rest of the staff do a great job with these talented kids.
See ya guys....I'm going to spend my holiday on the ul board or the iu board or dook or just some place I hate...gonna go try and argue some with them and myself. God I love my life!! I'm such a freaking pimp!! Love spending my holidays like that woohoo. Life doesn't get any better
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm NOT saying...
How did you come up with that? You are not very good at this whole message board thingy are you?
What I hate the most is posters like this guy who butcher the legitimate positions some have regarding a few of these topics. It makes it so much easier for the irritating strawman to stick his head in all future conversations to do with issues discussed in the thread. Glad he basically admitted he's a UL fan.
For example, I never remember many saying freshman dominated teams can't win a title. I know of many people who thought a team made up of *all* freshman (traditional starting roles basically) can't win a title. Maybe that was just my interpretation, but that's my recollection from 2009.
Is it true? I've learned to stay away from absolutes, but as a general rule I'd say yes. The important factor to me is 2012 had core components that were returning players -something we've struggled to contain. I couldn't care less about the age old 2009 argument about how far a freshman team can go. Pretty damn far the end
That's a totally different discussion from where the conversation ends every time.
Claiming Calipari has underacheived is a position I'm willing to debate on the merits. But the people who mock Cal FOR his recruiting dominance and claim it irrelevant for "titles" are then the same ones to use his recruiting classes as reasoning for how he's underacheived. Pick a position before we debate it. Do those classes really matter, or don't they?
Cal has been at Kentucky for 8 years. He's already given Kentucky something it never had, historical NBA credibility. I personally expect Cal to win two titles, but expecting more than that is extreme. For legendary coaches it's all about two titles as the class is elite. After that it's just gravy. He's got plenty of time to finish it off and put together another run or two and hang the ships.
For example, I never remember many saying freshman dominated teams can't win a title. I know of many people who thought a team made up of *all* freshman (traditional starting roles basically) can't win a title. Maybe that was just my interpretation, but that's my recollection from 2009.
Is it true? I've learned to stay away from absolutes, but as a general rule I'd say yes. The important factor to me is 2012 had core components that were returning players -something we've struggled to contain. I couldn't care less about the age old 2009 argument about how far a freshman team can go. Pretty damn far the end
That's a totally different discussion from where the conversation ends every time.
Claiming Calipari has underacheived is a position I'm willing to debate on the merits. But the people who mock Cal FOR his recruiting dominance and claim it irrelevant for "titles" are then the same ones to use his recruiting classes as reasoning for how he's underacheived. Pick a position before we debate it. Do those classes really matter, or don't they?
Cal has been at Kentucky for 8 years. He's already given Kentucky something it never had, historical NBA credibility. I personally expect Cal to win two titles, but expecting more than that is extreme. For legendary coaches it's all about two titles as the class is elite. After that it's just gravy. He's got plenty of time to finish it off and put together another run or two and hang the ships.
A couple if reasons: 1) is they are only allowed 20 hours a week to work with coaches. 2) they have classes and everything else that goes with It ( class work, tutors..ect). When they leave it's basketball 24/7, cause now they are playing for their livelihood, it's now more/less a job than just playing for fun.
